Scruffy, unless you were in I-1 then why even share a story you don't know to be true or false?
& if the commandant had asked those in charge what is really going on then he would know that his FACTS are lies as I sit and watch the freshman in I-1 still using the freshman wildcat.

If someone told you that the Freshman wildcat was the same story that you're telling about ORD ORD would you be a proponent on saving it, even though you think its sexual? Would you try to save decades of tradition?

If you see that to be true then why waste your time commenting on such an "ill" outfit, why waste your time? If I didn't know better I would say that your outfit didn't teach you outfit pride because if this happened to your outfit I am sure you wouldn't be saying the same thing.

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Given that, I have NEVER said that I would "re-brand" that outfit and do away with the things that give I-1 its unique identity. I am NOT changing the outfit logo, I am NOT changing the outfit hump-it to something else other than "Ord Ord," and I am not changing "Redeye One," or "Never Say Die." Not sure where that started, (once again, the danger of "I heard...") but its NOT TRUE. I do not intend to change any of those things for I-1.

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I appreciate the commandant being so earnest in his response, but it would appear that his wishes are not being communicated to his staff members. Both last night and this morning the fish class of I-1 was instructed not to blow calls using the phrase "Red Eye One," nor were they allowed to wildcat to formation with their typical ORD. There is video evidence proving this.

I truly hope it is just a situation of the CTO not receiving the information in time, but right now I am not hopeful.

Well considering you don't even know me or my concerns or were even in I-1 I suggest your concern be placed on other items and not this thread. Have a great weekend!

I do not know the details of this specific situation beyond what is posted on this thread, and am 100% giving the Commandant the benefit of the doubt.

However in my experience the trigone often mishandles situations, so myself and others blame the trigone over cadets. While I was a cadet it often seemed decisions were arbitrary and capricious, a sentiment shared by cadets I have spoken to in the intervening years. Events that would not have warranted any reaction in the Army or private sector result in significant sanctions in the Corps. Not always, but often enough to leave this impression.

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Given that, I have NEVER said that I would "re-brand" that outfit and do away with the things that give I-1 its unique identity. I am NOT changing the outfit logo, I am NOT changing the outfit hump-it to something else other than "Ord Ord," and I am not changing "Redeye One," or "Never Say Die." Not sure where that started, (once again, the danger of "I heard...") but its NOT TRUE. I do not intend to change any of those things for I-1.

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I appreciate the commandant being so earnest in his response, but it would appear that his wishes are not being communicated to his staff members. Both last night and this morning the fish class of I-1 was instructed not to blow calls using the phrase "Red Eye One," nor were they allowed to wildcat to formation with their typical ORD. There is video evidence proving this.

I truly hope it is just a situation of the CTO not receiving the information in time, but right now I am not hopeful.

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The Commandant was emphatic; we will see. This situation now has a lot of eyes on it.

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Why does everyone always get mad at the Commandant for stepping in and cleaning up the Corps messes instead of getting mad at the cadets who made the messes in the first place?

Those cadets are the one's who put your outfit in jeopardy. They are the one's who didn't take the history and linage of the outfit to heart. They are the one's who decided to do things they probably knew would get them in trouble and potentially ruin their outfit.

Don't do stupid stuff that might cause your outfit to be taken apart.

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Because no one will say what is going on in the outfit.

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Exactly.



I-1 has been an outfit of ill repute my whole time on the quad. Push came to shove it looks like.

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Could you explain why?

I am not trying to be vague. I cannot say what the commandant is doing is wrong or over reacting. I don't know what is going on in I-1 to make such an informed decision. Apparently something happened and a lot of students got removed. The same thing happened in I-1 in 97, IIRC. It also happened to K-2 and later to K-1. These things happen.

But in your first post you implied we need not question his judgement or actions. I don't think that is true. And even in your response in which you stated the Commandant can be questioned, you imply he is doing the right thing in this situation. That is impossible to agree with without knowing the facts.

The reasons COs post the results of Article 15's is to explain their actions, warn other soldiers, and put rumors to rest. While the Commandant doesn't owe Texags an explanation, I noticed he only denied things that people said were happening. That's not the same as saying what did happen or what he did order. There may be legal or professional reasons not to release that at this time, but it allows rumors to continue. He is the one that said almost everything said in a previous post was false. Then he basically said "trust me." That doesn't always placate people in these situations, if that was his intent.

Again, sorry to come across as vague. I was not trying to call you, nor the commandant, out. I just have a thing about putting too much trust in one man's decisions without knowing the facts. The Commadant does seem to be moving the Corps in a good direction, at least on paper. I am too removed to know.

But the corps has always been a balance between a fraternal student organization and military organization. Most cadets don't join the military after all. As someone who was a contract cadet, I wanted it to be more militaristic while I was there. But since I left the military I noticed a lot of prior service guys seem to want the corps to be the military. I now think it should be wary about becoming too much like the military. So the term mission made me think we may be losing sight of what the Corps is. I meant no disrespect.

I still remember floating my idea for a PT test to MG Hopgood. I wanted to kick cadets out who couldn't pass the PT test. He laughed a little and reminded me the Corps was a student organization and fat students had a right to be in it as well. Point taken. I also remember asking my PMS to have ROTC bulls participate in dorm inspections. I suggested cadets would take them more seriously and they would be more professional. He said, "Absolutely not. My officers won't do your job for you." The students must be empowered to solve their own problems (within reason of course). I hope that is the case still.

Fair enough.

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Respectful Statement: Only Ord's can say Ord Ord and Never Say Die- the quad knows that. Doing otherwise disrespect's the last 50 years of tradition.

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Respectful Statement: Only Ord's can say Ord Ord and Never Say Die- the quad knows that. And we used this regularly to fart you guys off.

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Re: the Commandant, I would also encourage posters to shoot him an email or phone message before posting your rants here. Not because you shouldn't rant, but the General is more than engaging and willing to listen to what you might have to say provided you bring your concerns forward respectfully.

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Re: the Commandant, I would also encourage posters to shoot him an email or phone message before posting your rants here. Not because you shouldn't rant, but the General is more than engaging and willing to listen to what you might have to say provided you bring your concerns forward respectfully.

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Reasonable and respectful.

Yeah, that statement was pretty ridiculous to make, especially in response to the Commandant, who represents all units. Next thing you know someone is going to want to crap him out for touching a guidon.

But, people are getting word that directly contradicts what the Commandant is saying is going on in the outfit. So while I trust his word, maybe something is getting lost in the various levels of leadership between him and the outfit. Or maybe a new CO just wants to do it himself. But when I read the Commandants words and then hear from a buddy that they removed the outfit logo from the memorial to my buddy who died in Iraq, I wonder how the two statement can be so far apart. And it may explain why emotions are running high with some.

FWIW I-1 was still in I-1 logo PT gear at arch yell last night and their field still had Red Eye on it.

No, that was my point. There are two very conflicting narratives out there. And unless we live in BCS and have access to the dorms, how do we know? I am very inclined to believe the commandant. I understand how much the truth bends during these type of things. I was just explaining why some people are asking what is going on.

I'll try to get by there or get someone to in the next couple days. I really doubt the altering of memorials though.

You don't have have stars so I can't PM. Can you give me the approximate location?

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S-2 was disbanded back in the 90's. It was re-established last year. Us old Marauders are very happy with it. Same logo, same colors, same hump-it. Lots of old pass down was re-established. Even the "board" is back.

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RC- what class were you? '93 Marauder here

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I'll try to get by there or get someone to in the next couple days. I really doubt the altering of memorials though.

You don't have have stars so I can't PM. Can you give me the approximate location?

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Thanks. I appreciate that. Unfortunately, I don't know where the outfits are right now with the quad being closed for construction. I know the dorm they are usually in is currently gutted.

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FWIW I-1 was still in I-1 logo PT gear at arch yell last night and their field still had Red Eye on it.

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When they humped it, what wildcat did they use? Ord-ord or the generic Corps one?

I am hearing the same regarding the removed memorial.

I'm inclined to believe the Commandant as well but there is a lot of smoke indicating that at some point either through the Commandant's staff or through the cadet chain that the message is not being received or being badly misinterpreted.

What I don't understand is that it is fairly easy to put these rumors to rest. It is the lingering unknown that is causing everyone to ask questions. I certainly hope someone did not take it upon themselves to remove or alter a memorial.

Is it a Corps placed memorial or one within the unit?

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When they humped it, what wildcat did they use? Ord-ord or the generic Corps one?

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Couldn't tell ya, most people don't do their hump it at arch yell.

For whoever wants to know what dorm I-1 is in they are in dorm 7. I believe 2nd floor but not positive on that

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Is it a Corps placed memorial or one within the unit?

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Within the unit. I didn't hear the sign was gone, just that the old outfit logo was removed from it.

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I received several e-mails yesterday from I-1 Alums concerning the picture and plaque dedicated to 1LT Hufstedtler, an I-1 alum who was killed in Iraq. Allegations were made that the current outfit leadership had "destroyed it," "defaced it," or removed it completely. I promised them that as a veteran who has served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, that I would look into this matter and ensure that, if true, that the plaque was restored and put back on the I-1 wall, where it belongs.

The plaque to 1LT Hufstedtler IS in I-1, has not been damaged or defaced in any way, and will be back on the Company I-1 wall by the end of the day (it was apparently removed because there were fears that someone was going to try and take it from the wall). That plaque belongs on the I-1 wall, and will be on that wall today - as it has been all year long.

1LT Hufstedtler represents the very best that our Corps and Company I-1 have to offer, he paid the ultimate sacrifice for our country, and I would NEVER allow it to be removed from I-1 or defaced in any way. Rest assured that no matter what issues there may be with I-1, that the plaque to 1LT Hufstedtler will NEVER be removed from the I-1 wall. It deserves to be there, and will hopefully represent to current I-1 cadets a standard that they are expected to live up to every day in I-1, as well as when they graduate. God Bless 1LT Hufstedtler.

Thanks for your support of our Corps. Best wishes to all of you and your families for a Happy Thanksgiving!

Gig 'em and Beat the Hell Outta LSU!

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Thank you for personally looking into this for us. I know a lot has been going on with the Ord-Ords of late, with much of the problem being miscommunication somewhere. It is refreshing to see that Lt. Hufstedtler's plaque and the I-1 kite emblem that were removed will both be returned to their proper places on the I-1 wall.

The Corps of Cadets were established to place men and women into the US armed forces. We do so at an amazing rate with the quality of officer equal to the service academies. We need officers trained in modern techniques to wage war in today's world. That is the military's job at Texas A&M. To build the individual character is the Corps of Cadets job.

What sets us apart from the West Points, Annapolis, VMI, the Citadel is OUR Corps traditions. We all know that Texas A&M is one of the most tradition bound institutions in the world, but the Corps has its own traditions, with each outfit stacking more on top of those. Each outfit has its own identity, much like every military unit. Try telling the 82nd that they are just paratroopers like 101st. Might not go over very well. Company I-1 is different from A-1. Different history. Different identity. You take those traditions away from the individual outfits, you make them cookie cutter companies in the cookie cutter Corps of Cadet that just cranks out cookie cutter officers.

I trust things will get worked out. There are a couple hundred (that I know of) concerned Ord-Ords trying desperately to retain our unit history and company identity. We are following this very closely from the inside and out and are ready and willing to work with you to make sure I-1 can progress, but retain that with makes it unique within the Corps.

Karl Kuehn II
Company I-1, Ord-Ord '85
Never Say Die

**Update** Lt.Hufstedtler's plaque has been returned to its place of honor on the I-1 wall, but the I-1 Company kite that stood to its left on the board has yet to be replaced. Hopefully this will happen soon.

Thank you very much for following up on this sir, it is reassuring to all of us. Would you happen to know when the I-1 logo will be placed back onto his memorial? It use to be to the left of his picture.