Trident15 said:
You've also got BQs wearing black fleece beanies with the Class A Uniform. Bad day all around for appearances.
They did this at the 2007 tu game. Then it was only the band though, now the whole corps is wearing then.
ACU's for March-in?!?!?!?!
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They did this at the 2007 tu game. Then it was only the band though, now the whole corps is wearing then.
I try my best not to criticize the Corps in public but this is pretty disappointing. Sweatshirts on tv looks horrible. Is this the first time the Corps has ever worn Cs&Ts to a game? Why not have the review on Sunday?
Definitely the first time it's been done for a football game. We did it a few times when we were forced into going to basketball and soccer games.Jock 07 said:
I try my best not to criticize the Corps in public but this is pretty disappointing. Sweatshirts on tv looks horrible. Is this the first time the Corps has ever worn Cs&Ts to a game? Why not have the review on Sunday?
Also if they would have worn ACUs or OCPs or whatever the Corps is wearing nowadays I would have been ok, it's the Cs&Ts with the sweatshirts that is my issue.
And that's the problem. The entire Corps were in full ACU's for the review on Simpson earlier today. That means they all went back to the dorms to change. They should have just changed into class A's since the band did
Jock 07 said:
I try my best not to criticize the Corps in public but this is pretty disappointing. Sweatshirts on tv looks horrible. Is this the first time the Corps has ever worn Cs&Ts to a game? Why not have the review on Sunday?
Any criticizing done by us can't hold a candle to the craptastic display that was just plastered on tv screens nationwide.
And, I'll bet the farm, this would become a "tradition" if unchecked.
I was more worried about this than the sweat shirts and ACU's. That's at least a uniform. I may disagree with it's use at a football game but they were in uniform. The beanies are not a part of the Class A uniform and that should have been corrected. If you are going to wear the uniform, wear it correctly.Trident15 said:
You've also got BQs wearing black fleece beanies with the Class A Uniform. Bad day all around for appearances.
Sweatshirt and ACU pants are a recognized uniform?
It's used a lot during training exercises and used a few times for basketball game attendance. But definitely never a uniform we would be allowed to wear to class.mrad85 said:
Sweatshirt and ACU pants are a recognized uniform?
Let's be honest here: the reason CBS paid the SEC millions of dollars to broadcast this game was for the whole world to view TAMU Corps of Cadets uniforms.
The End.
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Eh...yeah, sure.
I'm a CT from the mid 1980's, and I was very surprised to see this. However, when I was in school, none of us even dreamed of being in the SEC. I'll learn to live with this change.
Now, BTHO UAB!
The End.
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Eh...yeah, sure.
I'm a CT from the mid 1980's, and I was very surprised to see this. However, when I was in school, none of us even dreamed of being in the SEC. I'll learn to live with this change.
Now, BTHO UAB!
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep
to gain what he cannot lose!
Soli Deo Gloria
to gain what he cannot lose!
Soli Deo Gloria
Wildman15 said:It's used a lot during training exercises and used a few times for basketball game attendance. But definitely never a uniform we would be allowed to wear to class.mrad85 said:
Sweatshirt and ACU pants are a recognized uniform?
I distinctly remember allowing cadets to wear C's and T's with their 5 for Yell shirt to class on Election Day one year.
Yeah, I think that was the year that we couldn't vote for 5 for Yell as one group, and had to vote for each one individually. So there was a huge risk for a nonreg to get a slotTrident15 said:Wildman15 said:It's used a lot during training exercises and used a few times for basketball game attendance. But definitely never a uniform we would be allowed to wear to class.mrad85 said:
Sweatshirt and ACU pants are a recognized uniform?
I distinctly remember allowing cadets to wear C's and T's with their 5 for Yell shirt to class on Election Day one year.
When I was a fish, we carried backpacks in one hand rather than wearing them (except in ACUs). Now we have this ***** Whatever you think about either of these, it sure has changed quickly.
There's only a handful of opportunities each year to showcase the Corps on national TV and we wasted this one.
The cadets looked like a large sloppy gym class.
The cadets looked like a large sloppy gym class.
chickencoupe16 said:
When I was a fish, we carried backpacks in one hand rather than wearing them (except in ACUs). Now we have this ***** Whatever you think about either of these, it sure has changed quickly.
A habit I still carry with me in the Navy. Along with my mirror shined shoes/boots, properly rolled tuck, etc.
My guess is the commandant will start posting about this sometime tomorrowSpiDer09 said:
I'm a little surprised no bulls or the commandant have come on here to try explaining their reasoning. Turds.
Since when is a sweat shirt with BDU pants a uniform?!
Looked ridiculous and undisciplined.
Looked ridiculous and undisciplined.
I would hope the Commandant and his staff are enjoying a weekend off with their families. This will be addressed in due time.SpiDer09 said:
I'm a little surprised no bulls or the commandant have come on here to try explaining their reasoning. Turds.
Sure appears that they took the weekend off...
I can assure you they did not, they were up early for an early review and kick off in Kyle. They worked a long day on a weekend and right now there are duty officers still working. Give them a brake, this isn't an emergency and if you think it is then you have lived a very sheltered life.chickencoupe16 said:
Sure appears that they took the weekend off...
Never demanded an answer from the Trigon, so no, I don't believe it's an emergency. But I'm sure their day was so difficult. I just don't know how they wake up early, much less stay up late.
TXAggieMom11 said:
Correction, the Galveston Corps Superintendent did not say wearing the utility uniform was unbecoming. He did say the sea cadets do not have a utility uniform in their sea bags. Good job taking it out of context though.
https://imgur.com/a/eolXmzx
Learn to read critically.
Uniforms were easily the least transferred skill from the corps to the real military I learned.
Would I have had them wear what they did today if I get a star and become commandant? Probably not.
If I was G Ram though and this is what the cadet leadership decided and had some kind reasoning for it, I'd let them.
The corps isn't about doing everything that was done before.
Would I have had them wear what they did today if I get a star and become commandant? Probably not.
If I was G Ram though and this is what the cadet leadership decided and had some kind reasoning for it, I'd let them.
The corps isn't about doing everything that was done before.
This Corps is about having pride and awareness in how you present yourself, especially when placed on a national spotlight. What I saw yesterday was an organization that doesn't care about how the rest of the world views them. The band, OD's and the half section of Parsons were able to get into the proper uniform for the game. No excuse why the rest of the Corps couldn't do that. ESPECIALLY since they all had to go back to the dorms to change out of their ACU top and grab their sweat tops.CharlieBrown17 said:
Uniforms were easily the least transferred skill from the corps to the real military I learned.
Would I have had them wear what they did today if I get a star and become commandant? Probably not.
If I was G Ram though and this is what the cadet leadership decided and had some kind reasoning for it, I'd let them.
The corps isn't about doing everything that was done before.
The argument of "we're doing it this way because it's how we've always done it" is a weak excuse for any argument. But after yesterday, it's clearly easy to understand why the Corps never wears ACU's to a football game. It looks bad. And then was magnified by the fact that the band, OD's, and half section got into Midnights and Class A's.
tgray99 said:TXAggieMom11 said:
Correction, the Galveston Corps Superintendent did not say wearing the utility uniform was unbecoming. He did say the sea cadets do not have a utility uniform in their sea bags. Good job taking it out of context though.
https://imgur.com/a/eolXmzx
Learn to read critically.
Do you seriously think the Superintendent would put into writing a criticism of General Ramirez's decision of uniform?
Were you in the Corps, military? Do you have a cadet at either campus?
The decision to change wasn't time based. It was announced earlier this week that the corps was going to be in C&Ts to be a part of maroon out. Obviously that didn't work.
Also no one in Parsons changed, they wore what they always do when they riding for the review.
I think it's pretty humorous that anyone thinks the corps was in a national spotlight yesterday. Yeah they were on TV as a side effect of the football team being in the spotlight.
Having pride isn't a main point of the corps to me either, if done right, you'll be proud of your time in the corps and your outfit but that's through other lessons learned.
Also no one in Parsons changed, they wore what they always do when they riding for the review.
I think it's pretty humorous that anyone thinks the corps was in a national spotlight yesterday. Yeah they were on TV as a side effect of the football team being in the spotlight.
Having pride isn't a main point of the corps to me either, if done right, you'll be proud of your time in the corps and your outfit but that's through other lessons learned.
ABATTBQ87 said:
I'm curious, are you upset about the way the fish are acting here or just the sweat top?
Because this exact same scene happens every week when the game finds a goofy ass group of fish.
If the whole reasoning was to "support" maroon out why not just wear maroon ascots like we all did back in the day? I hated those damn things but at least they wouldn't look as ridiculous as the sweatshirts
This weekend put the Corps in more of a spotlight than other gameday weekends. It was our Veteran's Day game as well as the game we celebrated the 100th anniversary of the War Hymn. CBS had several cut always that showed archived footage of the Corps while discussing the War Hymn and the number of Aggies who have served in our military since the Spanish American War. They even made a point to talk about the number of Aggies who served during WWII. It's been a long time since I've seen tv put this much emphasis on the Corps of Cadets during a football game. And we pissed it away by wearing sweat tops.
This was obviously a decision that was made by the Commandant's Staff, the University President, the BoR, or a combination of those entities. And one of those governing bodies could possibly come up with some valid explanation on why they allowed the corps to wear C's and T's. But the problem is, from the outside looking in at 30,000 feet, this was a terrible decision that reflects poorly on the Corps of Cadets and Texas A&M University. They didn't look like the Corps of Cadets. They didn't look like the Keepers of the Spirit. And they definitely didn't look like the Guardians of Tradition.
This was obviously a decision that was made by the Commandant's Staff, the University President, the BoR, or a combination of those entities. And one of those governing bodies could possibly come up with some valid explanation on why they allowed the corps to wear C's and T's. But the problem is, from the outside looking in at 30,000 feet, this was a terrible decision that reflects poorly on the Corps of Cadets and Texas A&M University. They didn't look like the Corps of Cadets. They didn't look like the Keepers of the Spirit. And they definitely didn't look like the Guardians of Tradition.
I'm aware of what you're talking about, but I never actually saw one outside of colorguard units my fish year.
If it was a still issued item, that would've been a good idea and really something that could/should be considered going forward.
If it was a still issued item, that would've been a good idea and really something that could/should be considered going forward.
But they looked comfy! You gotta feel good to look good. We had it all backwards the entire time we were there.
Maroon Out has been happening since 1998, and we never wore C&Ts. We even decided to wear our regular uniform for Red, White and Blue Out and that decision was made with the understanding that being in uniform was far more patriotic than wearing a colored T-shirt. The Corps stuck out like a sore thumb on that day, but it was the right decision. Wearing C&Ts to support maroon out was not the right decision; especially considering most people were wearing coats, the Corps ended up wearing sweatshirts, and it was Veteran's Day weekend. It should not happen again.CharlieBrown17 said:
The decision to change wasn't time based. It was announced earlier this week that the corps was going to be in C&Ts to be a part of maroon out. Obviously that didn't work.
Also no one in Parsons changed, they wore what they always do when they riding for the review.
I think it's pretty humorous that anyone thinks the corps was in a national spotlight yesterday. Yeah they were on TV as a side effect of the football team being in the spotlight.
Having pride isn't a main point of the corps to me either, if done right, you'll be proud of your time in the corps and your outfit but that's through other lessons learned.
Kind of surprised this plan had been known to at least a week and nobody got on here making a stink about it. The forecast hasn't looked great for this weekend, and the fact that the contingency plan was to put on those ugly sweaters that shouldn't be seen outside of PT is embarrassing. Just a slouchy and unprofessional look. I doubt you'd see a service academy with such an outfit while being televised nationally, and the backlash from their alumni would be as bad as you see here.
C&T's are fine for Corps events put on for family, anything in front of the general public should be done in uniform IMO.
C&T's are fine for Corps events put on for family, anything in front of the general public should be done in uniform IMO.
Commandant79 said:
Well, THAT was an interesting read! Especially coming from a guy who apparently chose to post his displeasure on multiple threads on TexAgs.
For what its worth, we will not have the Corps wear Cs to football games any more. The Corps will wear their Class A uniforms for the remaining 2 games this season, and will wear either Class Bs or Class As in the future. You can voice your displeasure about this past game's uniforms to me if you'd like, but please know that the Corps will not wear Cs for football games in the future.
Beat the Hell Outta UAB!
Well it looks like Ramirez either listened or hated how they looked as much as everyone else. At least we will never see ACU's or C's & T's at another Aggie football game
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