MarcAg said:

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stoneca said:

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You have to go get Will Wade. He is a winning machine everywhere he goes.

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Think he would be extremely average here.

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how so? He was elite at LSU which is pretty much equal to A&Ms basketball program.

It really would depend on where he left to coach. If he leaves for a Blue Blood, we can't really fault the AD unless we were playing with pennies and got outbid or Buzz felt ignored. If he leaves for a lateral slot, that indicates that Buzz is not happy here and wanted something similar and took it to leave. That seems like a black eye on the program and falls squarely at the ADs feet.

I don't see anything we can do if Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Indiana come calling. They are noticably better basketball programs/fanbases and you are usually going to lose those battles unless something is really extraordinary here. And there isn't.

Ironically, I think a new arena, guaranteed NIL money and some heavy investment in marketing $ being spent by an outside firm would be extraordinary. Remains to be seen if we are willing to do that. I do think we go mid major on coaching hire if he leaves, bc the sentence above would be required to get an established Power 5 coach.

stoneca said:

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MarcAg said:

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stoneca said:

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You have to go get Will Wade. He is a winning machine everywhere he goes.

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Think he would be extremely average here.

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how so? He was elite at LSU which is pretty much equal to A&Ms basketball program.

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LSU is a better situation for a basketball coach, IMO. LSU has more history (4 FFs, 24 tourney appearances, ranked more than twice as much as A&M), more local fans to draw from (900k vs. 350k), about the same fanbase (hot when they are winning), and I suspect always pay more for their athletes. We've been better recently, but don't think, on the whole, we are better.

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I don't get why everyone is convinced Will Wade is good. He's like the Hugh Freeze of basketball. He had one good team when everyone knows he was cheating, and now some good results at a lower level school and some people are convinced he's brilliant.

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His philosophy to me is he wans to out-talent teams. I'm gong to beat you by having the more talented team. And nothing wrong with that at all. I don't know you can do that at A&M in this SEC in the NIL world. Now maybe he is able to drum up a lot more NIL money

Will Wade is actually what everybody here thought Scott Drew was in like 2010

Pitino wins everywhere he goes, but he also tends to leave a trail of forfeits behind him too.

I doubt Buzz leaves, but if he does there's got to be younger coaches who would be interested that win a lot but don't have the Pitino baggage. I actually like Pitino, I just think he leaves a stench of illicitness on everything he touches.

Hopefully Will Wade as A&M head coach would be similar to the brief Billy Kennedy-Rick Stansbury team up at its peak but its hard to have greater expectations.

Bingo

Will Wade is good not great. He's good enough to be a consistent winner at the mid-major level, but will always end up being mid in the major conferences.

Texas_Ag11 said:

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It really would depend on where he left to coach. If he leaves for a Blue Blood, we can't really fault the AD unless we were playing with pennies and got outbid or Buzz felt ignored. If he leaves for a lateral slot, that indicates that Buzz is not happy here and wanted something similar and took it to leave. That seems like a black eye on the program and falls squarely at the ADs feet.

I don't see anything we can do if Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Indiana come calling. They are noticably better basketball programs/fanbases and you are usually going to lose those battles unless something is really extraordinary here. And there isn't.

Ironically, I think a new arena, guaranteed NIL money and some heavy investment in marketing $ being spent by an outside firm would be extraordinary. Remains to be seen if we are willing to do that. I do think we go mid major on coaching hire if he leaves, bc the sentence above would be required to get an established Power 5 coach.

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The AD has no power and a budget hole to fill. Not thing he has done suggests he is that interested in athletics other than being a standout football player at Nebraska.

greg.w.h said:

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Texas_Ag11 said:

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It really would depend on where he left to coach. If he leaves for a Blue Blood, we can't really fault the AD unless we were playing with pennies and got outbid or Buzz felt ignored. If he leaves for a lateral slot, that indicates that Buzz is not happy here and wanted something similar and took it to leave. That seems like a black eye on the program and falls squarely at the ADs feet.

I don't see anything we can do if Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Indiana come calling. They are noticably better basketball programs/fanbases and you are usually going to lose those battles unless something is really extraordinary here. And there isn't.

Ironically, I think a new arena, guaranteed NIL money and some heavy investment in marketing $ being spent by an outside firm would be extraordinary. Remains to be seen if we are willing to do that. I do think we go mid major on coaching hire if he leaves, bc the sentence above would be required to get an established Power 5 coach.

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The AD has no power and a budget hole to fill. Not thing he has done suggests he is that interested in athletics other than being a standout football player at Nebraska.

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You mean aside from being an ATHLETIC director for a top 20 college sports program?

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Buzz has never stayed around for more than 6 years anywhere. He gets paid a lot of money and made a choice to coach at a football school. He also has a ginormous rebuild coming up.

If he leaves for a "lateral," there's far more context involved than just "A&M ****ed up." Why are people so black and white regarding issues that are very much in the gray area?

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I wouldn't necessarily categorize it as "A&M ****ed up", but if you want to keep a coach and the coach instead goes and takes a job at a lateral school making similar or less money, then it absolutely falls under the realm of "what could the AD have done to prevent this?".

If he wants to retire or wants to go coach at a true basketball school, then not much you can do as an AD. But if he just wants to go somewhere new... yeah there's only so much you can do to overcome Buzz' "quirkiness", but in the grand scheme of things it will still look like a black eye on the AD.

And this is coming from someone who thinks he's fairly replaceable.

Hiring a 72 year old Rick Pitino over a decade after his last final four (*) would be the most A&M move ever.

Regardless, he is rolling at St. John's and he clearly thinks he has at least one more run in him. He's a New Yorker and used to coach the Knicks. Coaching at a NY Catholic school with a fair amount of basketball hisotry that plays in MSG is as much of a dream job as he has probably left in the tank (although I think Kentucky should have given him a look to bring him back). Point being, he's not coming to College Station lol.

I'd love someone in the Chris Jans mold. I'd also love someone like a Jai Lucas, young and up and coming assistant.

I really wish Abdur-Rahim was the guy. His death was terrible on many levels.

Indiana Basketball coach search update has Ben McCollum as top contender

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If Buzz makes it to the final 4 and leaves, the players will demand Roc and that's who we'll get.

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While I know you are joking, but if Buzz leaves all the players are going with him. Solo, Payne, Mills, etc would go. New coach with come in with 15 spots to fill.

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The players are all going to retire from basketball? Team bus 1 on the speaking circuit gonna be crowded!

scd88 said:

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Buzz has never stayed around for more than 6 years anywhere. He gets paid a lot of money and made a choice to coach at a football school. He also has a ginormous rebuild coming up.

If he leaves for a "lateral," there's far more context involved than just "A&M ****ed up." Why are people so black and white regarding issues that are very much in the gray area?

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Yes and No. At some point you have to lay the "rebuild" at the feet of a coach - particularly one that has been here this long. But its not like he is going to be picked up by another school that is already on the rise. He has a "ginormous rebuild" there as well. So if he leaves one rebuild for another, that should tell you something, no?

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MarcAg said:

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Ag_EE_88 said:

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If Buzz makes it to the final 4 and leaves, the players will demand Roc and that's who we'll get.

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While I know you are joking, but if Buzz leaves all the players are going with him. Solo, Payne, Mills, etc would go. New coach with come in with 15 spots to fill.

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The players are all going to retire from basketball? Team bus 1 on the speaking circuit gonna be crowded!

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Retiring is different than leaving.

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Why not Kelvin Sampson, Nate Oats, Danny Hurley or Bruce Pearl

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Would love to have Sampson!

The bad guys do seem to have success. Auburn and Ole Miss are notorious for hiring d-bags in both football and basketball. Just look at the current coaches they have now. Does character really count!?

There's a little rumor floating around Austin that Buzz has been in back channel communications with Texas.

Enjoy yourselves

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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There's a little rumor floating around Austin that Buzz has been in back channel communications with Texas.

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You need better sources

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Agreed.

AgEfan said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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There's a little rumor floating around Austin that Buzz has been in back channel communications with Texas.

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You need better sources

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If Texags asks him a question after the last game of the season and he goes into a totally unacceptable rant and calls the questioner selfish, we know the source is accurate.

Kansas Kid said:

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AgEfan said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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There's a little rumor floating around Austin that Buzz has been in back channel communications with Texas.

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You need better sources

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If Texags asks him a question after the last game of the season and he goes into a totally unacceptable rant and calls the questioner selfish, we know the source is accurate.

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There is a strong rumor, but doesn't involve Longhorns.

Kansas Kid said:

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AgEfan said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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There's a little rumor floating around Austin that Buzz has been in back channel communications with Texas.

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You need better sources

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If Texags asks him a question after the last game of the season and he goes into a totally unacceptable rant and calls the questioner selfish, we know the source is accurate.

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Ironically I could see buzz handling that question 1000% better and still leaving

Decay said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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AgEfan said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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There's a little rumor floating around Austin that Buzz has been in back channel communications with Texas.

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You need better sources

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If Texags asks him a question after the last game of the season and he goes into a totally unacceptable rant and calls the questioner selfish, we know the source is accurate.

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Ironically I could see buzz handling that question 1000% better and still leaving

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He'd give a 30 minute non answer answer then spend 10 minutes giving the reporter career tips

AgEfan said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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AgEfan said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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There's a little rumor floating around Austin that Buzz has been in back channel communications with Texas.

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You need better sources

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If Texags asks him a question after the last game of the season and he goes into a totally unacceptable rant and calls the questioner selfish, we know the source is accurate.

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There is a strong rumor, but doesn't involve Longhorns.

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I know there is the risk he will go to Indiana or even other jobs that we may not know about. That said, my gut says he stays put although I am concerned since he has few returning players he would be leaving behind (of course these days, you could have your whole roster returning and still leave and bring them with you).