Yeah but that's because of a breakdown somewhere else, not by choice.

We don't give up open threes because that's the game plan.

We give up open threes against teams that either move the ball really well or that have elite point guards because we can't stop penetration.

See the difference? The result might be the same but the reason matters. We aren't overly susceptible to teams that shoot the three well. Tech, Purdue, Missouri, Oklahoma are all very good three point shooting teams.

We're susceptible to teams with good guards or multiple guys who move the ball well because we can't stop penetration and they're able to get more open looks than usual.

Bob… yes, i know all the differences

bulverdeaggie93 said:

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meanwhile.. i think that kid from Vandy just made another 3 on us..

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And meanwhile ... we beat Purdue and Auburn and Tech and Missouri. Don't they shoot the 3 pointer well?

bulverdeaggie93 said:

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Bob… yes, i know all the differences

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The why did you say Buzz doesn't guard the 3?

Vandy is an interesting example because they normally can't shoot the ball well but that was our worst defensive game of the season.

I guess what I'm saying is the first thing I'm going to look at when the matchup is announced isn't how well the other team shoots threes, it's how well their guards handle and pass the ball and how big they are.

So we were a 3 seed forever initial we lost to Texas. Is that accurate? Or is politics now creeping in?

2nd Generation Ag said:

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So we were a 3 seed forever initial we lost to Texas. Is that accurate? Or is politics now creeping in?

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I think Wisconsin jumped us. Maybe one more win somewhere and we're a more solid 3. Who knows.

IMO, our 1st loss may be more damaging than our last loss.

agin…. i also said i was exaggerating a little

So the tournament counts for Wisconsin but for other teams it doesn't. They are will try to arrange the tournament to help certain teams and conferences

2nd Generation Ag said:

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So the tournament counts for Wisconsin but for other teams it doesn't. They are will try to arrange the tournament to help certain teams and conferences

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Seems to have been the case this time. We'll see. It's all guesses right now.

milkshake…. that's what we all do on these forums… kinda what the forums are about

Nah there's a select demographic that likes the ******* chair. You're def in it though, congrats. Just love to watch your team get ****ed.

milkshake… sorry, not into all the ****** stuff… not good at following all that stuff.. reminds of Twitter (which i don't follow either).

bulverdeaggie93 said:

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Bob.. agree on some.. but will also disagree on some.. we make 3-point champions of so many players because they're standing outside the arc wide open, us scrambling trying to play catchup and find them.

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The stats this year don't support your argument. Teams shot 33% against us this year. We are pretty much slightly above average at defending the 3.

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2nd Generation Ag said:

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So the tournament counts for Wisconsin but for other teams it doesn't. They are will try to arrange the tournament to help certain teams and conferences

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Seems to have been the case this time. We'll see. It's all guesses right now.

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The pundits always over react to the tournaments. The committee rarely does.
Guess we'll see this year but I don't think much has changed from last week for us.

t-cam… i hear ya… i'd be curious to know where we rank on allowed 3's taken and allowed 3's made (not percent)… but i'm also not curious enough to go look and find out

Those numbers are going to be high but that's the point of the defense.

The percentage is what matters.

It's all about points per possession. We don't care if our opponents shoot 100% of their shots from three if they're making them at about 35% or worse and we're getting the rebounds because that generally means they aren't getting to the rim and we're not fouling them.

Though this year we manage to foul them too often even when they are shooting threes lol.

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Has Ags in Denver as a 4 seed vs Yale

If seeds hold, Ags would play these teams after Yale for the NC

Purdue
Coogs
Vols
Duke
Aub/UF winner

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Fwiw… Yale's top 4 scorers shoot 42% from 3

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against 5'10 nerds

(47th in opponent attempts, 55th in opponent makes for whatever that's worth btw)

Their stud was 9-19 combined from 3 against Purdue and Minnesota. None of it really matters that's not who we're likely to play anyway.

Bob… agree on some again.. but will also disagree some… if a team shoots 100% 3's and its 70 shots and make 35%.. that's 74 pts… if a team takes 100% 2's and its 70 shots at 50%… that's 70 pts… the 3's win… yes percent matters a lot, but there is a degree to where the # of attempts matter too.

in short, i don't believe % to be everything… we win games when our % is lower than other team (because we jack more up)

i do appreciate posters like BOB.. who bring a lot of thought and knowledge to these boards, good chat… doesn't try to be cute and look cool like so many others

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Fat Bottom Squirrels said:

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So much for conference tournament games being meaningless. The embarrassing loss to tu firmly got them into the tournament and dropped us a full seed.

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You're basing that off of Lunardi's projection that currently has tu out of the tournament? Lol

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I'm basing that on two time honored truths.

1. A&M NEVER gets the benefit of the doubt.
2. tu ALWAYS gets the benefit of the doubt.

That's just the way it's always been.

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So when Texas gets left out today, are you going to change your world view on this?

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Personally it would just make me snmile.

Fat Bottom Squirrels said:

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Fair enough.

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It is not looking good for the longhorn's chances. Most bracket analysis as of this morning have them getting left out.

2nd Generation Ag said:

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So the tournament counts for Wisconsin but for other teams it doesn't. They are will try to arrange the tournament to help certain teams and conferences

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Remember that they also have rigid bracketing rules that they have to follow, such as:

In the NCAA tournament bracket, teams that played each other twice during the regular season cannot meet before the Sweet 16, and teams that played three times cannot meet before the Elite Eight.

Which can affect how the slotting plays out.

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bulverdeaggie93 said:

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we refuse to guard the 3… Buzz has said as much… we'd be 1-and-done vs a Yale

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Found another guy that loves to sit in the **** chair

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I've never heard this phrase.

Your example numbers don't account for the thing that Buzz believes most of all, that free throws are the best shot in basketball. And teams are much more likely to get fouled when they attack the rim for twos.

Your example of us is exactly the case. We can't shoot, so how do we make up for it? Getting to the FT line, where even a terrible FT shooter has an expected value of more than one point per trip to the line. And then we also make up for it by being absolutely elite in rebounding our own misses. So we make up for the percentages with free throws and offensive rebounding.

Our weak link on defense for most of the season wasn't our opponents three point shooting. In fact through like 25 games we were in the top third in 3pt% defense. The weak link has been fouling too much. The analytical house of cards this defense relies on falls apart when you also foul.

Now again, this isn't to defend this defense. I've said before that I'm not a huge fan of it, but if we're going to criticize it I think it has to come from a shared understanding of what it actually is first.

Free throws are free with clock off. I f you don't prize those you're doing it wrong. Our players need to get private coaching if they can't make 70%.

Yes I know they are time bound and very busy. That isn't relevant.

Bob… i've heard Buzz talk about the value of FT's…. which also surprises me some we are overall pretty bad at that

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Bob… i've heard Buzz talk about the value of FT's…. which also surprises me some we are overall pretty bad at that

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We definitely use free throws to our advantage. There was a lot of debate about this topic maybe a month ago but the analytics will tell you that getting to the line a bunch is a better measure of free throw success than shooting a better %. Not implying we wouldn't prefer to shoot better but getting there a bunch is a weapon.

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If they get in and keep Terry I think it's a good trade.

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He's gone no matter what. Question is,have they already hired their next guy

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If it's Buzz Williams then I'm going to freak out

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Fat Bottom Squirrels said:

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So much for conference tournament games being meaningless. The embarrassing loss to tu firmly got them into the tournament and dropped us a full seed.

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This is good internetting here. Mad about something that may not be true, based off simulations not done by the actual people involved, before it's even happened.

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Sorry for the late response. I got banned for predicting A&M would be a four seed and tu would easily make the tournament.

Looks like A&M got a four seed and tu easily made the tournament.

Yeah, but again, we don't know if the conference tournament had anything to do with it or not. The committee might have had us as a 4 seed anyway, or Texas in, there's no way to know.

That's why I've said the last couple of years that people need to be careful with this "the conference tournaments don't matter" take. Unless the committee put out a seed list at the beginning of the week, there's no way to know where people currently stand.

Every year they manage to talk themselves into a few things that are completely different from what the internet bracketology braintrust thinks. Like West Virginia being out this year. Literally everyone thought they were in.