Dudes on here post about NIL like they know. If so, tell us what Arkansas is paying and what we are paying.

- A lot
- Not as much

That's all most of us know

bobinator said:

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I mean it was the measure for that point. If you want to change what we're measuring and only care about postseason results or seeds, that's a different conversation. But to say "we're always going to be mid-level SEC with Buzz" is just objectively false.

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I only care about post season results. The 15-3 was fun while it lasted but that wasn't very long.

TyperWoods said:

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Buzz has 4 sweet 16s and 1 elite 8.

It seems like to me Elite 8 is currently his ceiling. Since, ya know, he's done it before.

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The "done it before" argument is tiresome. Especially in NCAA basketball since everything can turn on a matchup and a hot team. In just one example, Paul Westhead had decent success in the late '80s with Loyola Marymount -- 3 NCAA appearances, 4 wins, including a E8. After a short stint in the NBA, he won only a third of his games at George Mason, and then did about the same as the Oregon women's coach. The fact that he did it before -- hell, the fact that he even MADE the tournament -- had no effect on his later college coaching stops.

He isn't the only example.

The year Marquette went to the E8, they won their first and second round games by a combined 3 points.

While that year was an outlier, it doesn't mean Buzz is a Westhead (although one can make an argument about the respective stuborness of both). He isn't. He's clearly a first or possibly second round guy with the right seed (1-4). But I think the S16 with possibly one more E8 in him IF everything falls right is about the best we're going to get. And I think we get that twice a decade at most.

bobinator said:

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I mean it was the measure for that point. If you want to change what we're measuring and only care about postseason results or seeds, that's a different conversation. But to say "we're always going to be mid-level SEC with Buzz" is just objectively false.

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How long would ANY coach that consistently won 28+ regular season games and either 0 or 1 NCAA tournament games last at the following programs:

-- Florida
-- Alabama
-- Auburn
-- Kentucky
-- t.u.
-- Duke
-- UNC
-- UConn

and many others.

There's one and only one measure: post-season results. The idea that it is a "different" conversation is what is objectively false.

I think Buzz may be gone soon.

I'm terrified that you're a lawyer if you can't follow this.

- The guy said "we're always going to be mid-level SEC with Buzz."
- I pointed out that's factually incorrect based on recent results.
- Someone else points that team didn't go far in the postseason
- I say judging a team just based on the postseason is a different conversation than SEC results
- You then say it's not a different conversation because "there's one and only measure: postseason results"

That's not what the post I was replying to was talking about though. So yes, it is a different conversation. If you want to only care about postseason results, then fine, but that's not what the first guy was talking about.

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buzz's immediate departure was obviously the easiest path for this forecast to be proven true. I think early departures are part of his algorithm to avoid a firing. if this wasn't a place where a guy with his background.would want to make a permanent home, I doubt there is such a place. I believe the public airing of the carter social media stuff was him paving his way out on a self-perceived "high road".