Why Sorry Asst fans hurt A&M culture

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7:44a, 3/25/25
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When a player like Wade Taylor ends his career and this is all he can say about A&M fans is this…."would want it to be that I gave it my all every night, no matter what was said or what people thought," Taylor said.

He is playing hard in spite of what was said. It's crazy to imagine if our players actually felt supported during the hard times. imo, sorry asst fans force players to disconnect from the rest of the university and just play for the coaches and each other.

He went on to express who he was thankful for.
"I stood on tiptoes for these guys that I'm sitting with. I am forever thankful to them and the coaching staff that brought me here and that believed in me. We had a heck of a run these last four years. I am so proud of everything that we've accomplished."

All the buzz bashing and player bashing comes at a price. None of the athletes or coaches can ever really allow themselves to be impacted by the fanbase because they will stab them in the back. Treat them like Aggies even when they lose. They represent A&M and so does everyone who posts on here. And for the last part it's usually embarrassing how many people think they can gripe, insult and complain their way to a championship.
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7:53a, 3/25/25
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Not condoning weak minded fans that live empty lives and need to ride 20 year old players, but this goes on everywhere. If our players are somehow less capable of handling it, then we need to look at team culture. Coach should be defending fans and highlighting the prevalence of false flag a holes, but instead we let young men whine at the biggest stage of their careers.
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In reply to Z Team • 7:59a, 3/25/25
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Z Team said:
And for the last part it's usually embarrassing how many people think they can gripe, insult and complain their way to a championship.
I completely agree with this.
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8:20a, 3/25/25
Other fan bases are far more vicious. Our coaches and players need thicker skin and to actually win something for once.
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8:31a, 3/25/25
i can't fathom what it would be like for our players if we were actually a basketball school.
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8:37a, 3/25/25
This post once again is ridiculous...toughen up. these are paid athletes, martyrs, that deserve criticism for performance. Wade Taylor deserves criticism. He scored the most points in ATM history because he was allowed to shoot the ball at will. If her were transcendent he wouldn't hold the school record for points because he'd be in the NBA. He disappeared in big games and that fact deserves critique.

This fanbase needs to wake up - if the culture of aww shucks you did your best and unfettered support continues then we won't win anything.

I laugh at the idea of these guys playing for a school not named ATM - LSU lol Bama lol Kentucky lol TEXAS lol they would be destroyed. Toughen up.
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In reply to Aceswimmer09 • 8:40a, 3/25/25
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The all-time leading scorers at every school shoot at will.

And what people say on this board doesn't matter compared to the absolute flood of insanity they probably see on social media and there's not much we can do about that.
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In reply to Z Team • 8:50a, 3/25/25
You have got to be joking. Holy f.

Wade Taylor is not an 8 year old in an oversized little league jersey swinging at balls way outside the strike zone! He's a paid professional adult! We pay him to perform at A&M, and when he doesn't do it up to our expectations, criticism is absolutely warranted!

You may have had a point before NIL, but I would feel pretty confident in concluding that there is not a single player on our basketball team who wouldn't abruptly leave A&M if offered a bigger "bag". There is not a single student athlete on our campus who just loves the Corps and our traditions enough to forego more money elsewhere. There is literally no loyalty shown to our school, but people like you demand unfettered loyalty to these paid for contractors in return? The absolute epitome of stupid.
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In reply to Fat Bottom Squirrels • 8:52a, 3/25/25
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You may have had a point before NIL, but I would feel pretty confident in concluding that there is not a single player on our basketball team who wouldn't abruptly leave A&M if offered a bigger "bag". There is not a single student athlete on our campus who just loves the Corps and our traditions enough to forego more money elsewhere. There is literally no loyalty shown to our school.

I have it on pretty good authority that you're wrong about this.
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In reply to bobinator • 8:54a, 3/25/25
I'm sure you do. Do you ever get tired of this my friend? Incessantly goaltending for complete mediocrity? Our school has done it now for close to 100 years now and has literally nothing to show for it. Nothing.
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In reply to bobinator • 8:56a, 3/25/25
Watching all the point guards over the last month or so that we played Taylor shot selection and undisciplined play was worse than all of the point guards we played against. His shot selection was to me was selfish. He always wanted to drain the long 3 pointer like Seth Curry.

Did you notice in the game all the trash talking he was doing? A couple of buddies texted me and said quit celebrating and play the game. We were celebrating when we got up 10 points. That was weak

Buzz did him an Inservice to not coach him better than he did. Now maybe the guys around him weren't good enough scorers for him to excel as a true point guard.

Even in the Michigan game he became frantic with the ball. He needed to remain calm and direct the team. I was shocked at a a guy that was a 4 year player lost his composure so easily
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In reply to BCG Disciple • 8:57a, 3/25/25
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BCG Disciple said:
Not condoning weak minded fans that live empty lives and need to ride 20 year old players, but this goes on everywhere. If our players are somehow less capable of handling it, then we need to look at team culture. Coach should be defending fans and highlighting the prevalence of false flag a holes, but instead we let young men whine at the biggest stage of their careers.


Amen. I'm not saying that the players don't get some bad tweets or messages. But I guarantee it they have it easier than a ton of other schools. But for some reason our players feel the need to whine about it and air it to the media. That's not coming from the players. They are getting that messaging from the coach. Give me a ****ing break. I'm so over this storyline. Suck it up or leave if you think it's better elsewhere (spoiler alert, it will be worse elsewhere).

I would have the same opinion even before NIL. But especially with NIL, this is not news worthy.
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In reply to Fat Bottom Squirrels • 9:02a, 3/25/25
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How is it goaltending to point out that you're wrong about something? I haven't seen the paperwork so I can't say for an absolute fact but I've heard from multiple people that would know that some of our basketball players have turned down bigger money to stay here.

That doesn't make them better basketball players, but I think this "they're getting paid so we can say whatever we want about them" attitude is ridiculous too. They're still Aggies.

Would we all prefer better basketball players to loyal ones? Maybe, but I'm not going to just let someone say that none of these guys are showing any loyalty at all and don't care about our school when I know for a fact some of them do.

Wade Taylor won a Buck Weirus spirit award, I don't think they just hand those out to athletes for PR purposes, do you?

You can criticize his play all you want, I'm not telling you not to or "goaltending" for this team falling short in the postseason. And I think there's plenty that Buzz needs to address in the program, but I can't just let "there is literally no loyalty shown to our school" go when I don't think it's true.
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In reply to Fat Bottom Squirrels • 9:04a, 3/25/25
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Fat Bottom Squirrels said:
I'm sure you do. Do you ever get tired of this my friend? Incessantly goaltending for complete mediocrity? Our school has done it now for close to 100 years now and has literally nothing to show for it. Nothing.


If he's goaltending, he's goaltending for a team that is in the top 20 of all college basketball teams and a player who in addition to his achievements here was also first team all-SEC, and not "mediocrity"
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9:22a, 3/25/25
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I'm glad we are discussing this. But what we aren't doing is doing anything about it.

Do we toss Wade because he got his jersey raises next to Acie's? I'd argue those jerseys set standards for the next athlete to exceed. So now how do we attract those next athletes?

The facilities for player development likely are close to excellent especially after Buzz's refresh. But maybe there are needs that should be addressed.

We have discussed his staff. I'm not a fan of forcing change on head coaches (I think it regularly just kicks the can instead of something meaningful so the coach and AD don't have to make hard choices), but what can Buzz do to improve player selection and development especially mental toughness and, frankly, shooting consistency?

These questions can be asked without assigning blame but it's hard and many of our fans fall for the easy chirping instead. I've done it, too, because ur costs me nothing. But it clearly creates an environment that tries to squeeze blood from our coaches and players without remorse. And is opposed to Spirit specifically (you get to decide if that song is fluff or not every time you sing it.)

I'll note fan boards aren't conducive to real talk. But that doesn't stop us from trying to have it.
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9:31a, 3/25/25
The reason we lost is because of message board fans who encouraged poor offense and jacking thirty foot 3s
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9:33a, 3/25/25
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Buzz hasn't done anything to merit forcing him to make any changes. This is all based on the fantasy that we, collectively, can exert some sort of control with some kind of Staples Easy Button over whether the teams wins one or two extra games in March when a head coach himself doesn't even have that level of control. We might have lost that game even if our coaching staff was 6 Rick Pitino's or virtually anybody else. Making decisions based on one or two or three individual games is a fool's errand. All that matters is whether a good team was put together, and it was, and it has been for four years basically now. There's no basis for making Buzz Williams change anything, except naked ambition and petty jealousy.
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In reply to Method Man • 9:33a, 3/25/25
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I heard it's because the team stopped playing as a unit because everyone wanted to win the treasured "DAWG of the game."
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In reply to Method Man • 9:33a, 3/25/25
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Method Man said:
The reason we lost is because of message board fans who encouraged poor offense and jacking thirty foot 3s
Nobody tweeted #ItsOver hard enough.
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In reply to JJxvi • 9:34a, 3/25/25
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Hey if this guy's rich enough I say let him buy out Buzz and go hire Nate Oats. I don't have 15 mil laying around to buy out Buzz's contract and then another $25 mil to go hire Oats, but if he does then I say we go for it.
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In reply to bobinator • 9:40a, 3/25/25
Cute, but we never should have paid that and got ourselves in this position to begin with.

You constantly defend Buzz by saying "well A&M doesn't devote enough resources or fan support to basketball, so we will never be a blue blood." Ok, then if that's true, then why the hell are we paying someone $4.5 mill a year if it has already been established that he can't win here? Why pay a guy top 15 money if he's never going to win? Why not just hire some joe blow and pay him $600k a year if the results we are going to get are going to be the same anyway?

Why, you ask?

Cause that's just what A&M does.
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9:46a, 3/25/25
I thought the players (and hopefully the coaches) didn't read this stuff. If they do, and take their cues accordingly, then maybe that explains a lot.

But seriously, every school in the country has these boards with the same kind of stuff. If it's going to make you circle the wagons and alter the way you play, then you're in the wrong sport at the wrong time.

You know, the more I read and hear about this coach/team's mentality, the more comfortable I get with the thought of Buzz leaving.

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In reply to Divining Rod • 9:48a, 3/25/25
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You know, the more I read and hear about this coach/team's mentality, the more comfortable I get with the thought of Buzz leaving.

I brought this up earlier in the season but it stayed true. One thing that did bug me a lot about this team is that for a coach that's so committed to little psychoanalytical bits, this team was really mentally soft at times, especially with officiating.

If a few calls in a row went our way we had a tendency to melt down and let it bother us on both ends of the court. Happened several times this season.
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9:54a, 3/25/25
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Excuse me, I am a fan, not an assistant fan. So much disrespect these days
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In reply to Fat Bottom Squirrels • 9:56a, 3/25/25
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Because there's a lot of runway between where we are and being a blue blood, and there's steps you have to take to get there.

I actually think that is one of the biggest issues our fan base has, we think money can solve all of our problems. We want to skip steps on the way to being elite. Just throw all the money into NIL and buy a championship roster, throw it on the field and achieve greatness.

That's not how greatness is achieved.

I don't always defend Buzz, there's plenty he could change and some he's absolutely going to have to change if we're going to reach an elite level. But that doesn't mean I can't also appreciate that he's gotten us to three straight years of "good."

You know how many years in our history we've been good three years in a row? One other stretch, from 2006-2011. What happened in that stretch? We lost one coach to Kentucky, and the other to Maryland.

So yeah, we all want to be better, but I also know how rare it is for us to even be at this level. If you can't even appreciate that a little bit then you're just setting yourself up to be constantly miserable.
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9:59a, 3/25/25
We are one of the nicest, most tolerant fanbases as a whole, that there is in college sports. Buzz foments this. He has this the Turgeon disease where he thinks he is some great coach and cannot appreciate a really good job that appreciates him (and his pay says he is greatly appreciated).

The players are paid now too. You want to be paid like professionals, you get treated like professionals. And the rah rah, give it your best mentality from fans is gone now. Suck it up or go play D3 ball where you don't have to worry about making 6 figures or more year playing ball.
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In reply to bobinator • 10:01a, 3/25/25
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bobinator said:
Hey if this guy's rich enough I say let him buy out Buzz and go hire Nate Oats. I don't have 15 mil laying around to buy out Buzz's contract and then another $25 mil to go hire Oats, but if he does then I say we go for it.
Nate won't come here, he's at place where all the fans are level headed, rational, and don't freak out every time they don't win. It's not like a crazy Bama fan is gonna go kill a tree in the town of it's arch rival after losing a game.
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In reply to bobinator • 10:01a, 3/25/25
Ok, one final question for you, then I'll hang it up.

Would you trade Buzz for Sean Miller right now, straight up?
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In reply to rgag12 • 10:03a, 3/25/25
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Excuse me, I am a fan, not an assistant fan. So much disrespect these days
keep working hard and you might even get promoted to "Asst fan manager" like the op.
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In reply to Fat Bottom Squirrels • 10:09a, 3/25/25
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Yeah.
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In reply to bobinator • 10:11a, 3/25/25
I would too. That was not some sort of gotcha or anything, I was just genuinely curious. Take care my friend.
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In reply to Fat Bottom Squirrels • 12:11p, 3/25/25
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Fat Bottom Squirrels said:
Cute, but we never should have paid that and got ourselves in this position to begin with.

You constantly defend Buzz by saying "well A&M doesn't devote enough resources or fan support to basketball, so we will never be a blue blood." Ok, then if that's true, then why the hell are we paying someone $4.5 mill a year if it has already been established that he can't win here? Why pay a guy top 15 money if he's never going to win? Why not just hire some joe blow and pay him $600k a year if the results we are going to get are going to be the same anyway?

Why, you ask?

Cause that's just what A&M does.
He was hired. That's how it happened. Get your time machine out and fix that.
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12:19p, 3/25/25
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Have any of ya'll ever gone to the Kentucky fans basketball board (Rupp Rafters) or listened to post game shows and seen how brutal they can be criticizing Kentucky players or coaches?

Or try visiting a Lakers or any NBA message board. You think Boston sports fans are tactful and reserved?

Look, there is no place for a few things like physical threats or racism...but other than that...if you are a professional athlete (which many of these university players now are) or want to make money in the sports world...sports fans are ruthless, opinionated, and impatient. You better learn to have a thick skin or learn how to ignore it or get out of working in the sports business.

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