Offensive Breakdown
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Against less opponents
What about this offense tells you it's going to fail at the SEC level? This style of offense has won at every level of basketball including the NBA. But you're so smart so tell us why it's going to fail.
My concern is the full court pressing. The higher the level, the harder it is to win with that as a base defense. Hopefully not the go to defense (haven't watched any games of his he is winning)..
Yeah that part is going to be interesting. Been a minute since anyone's really tried it. Mike Anderson's teams were probably the last thing close.
BasketballCoach2015 said:
I love the Princeton principles in the offense. Also, I like that we won't bury our wings in the corners. I used to be a fan but when I started coaching a motion where the wings are in the true wing I realized how bad the driving angles were in offenses where the wings start in the corners.
I call the volleyball line that runs just above the block the motion line and tell my players to stay above that. Gives better spacing for potential drives from the slots, but still provides enough space for baseline cuts and drives.
lol this reminds me of the first time in high school that we played in a gym that didn't have the volleyball lines. Our coach was an old school hardass about going EXACTLY where he said and used the volleyball lines for some things and so then without them some of our players were a couple steps off because they were so used to literally looking at the lines.
It's a good, mobile offense using moving screens. Interesting because the rotations are fast enough that the refs might not call them on it. PNRs, kickouts with a moving start.BasketballCoach2015 said:
Really interesting video to watch, especially for those that want to see what we are getting.
They had a good second half against Kansas, but the Jayhawks turned out to the their weakest team in many years.
It should be interesting to see how this does against length and athleticism.
A bigger concern is a 250 level defense.
bobinator said:
lol this reminds me of the first time in high school that we played in a gym that didn't have the volleyball lines. Our coach was an old school hardass about going EXACTLY where he said and used the volleyball lines for some things and so then without them some of our players were a couple steps off because they were so used to literally looking at the lines.
Ha! There's a time for being in exactly the right spot (set plays, BLOBs, etc) but for the most part just keep good spacing and it will take care of itself.
First practice every season I always ask the kids why the volleyball lines are on the court. Of course they say it's for volleyball to which I tell them they're wrong. I then say that the volleyball lines aren't for volleyball but rather to tell basketball players where to run on the break lol
DukeMu said:It's a good, mobile offense using moving screens. Interesting because the rotations are fast enough that the refs might not call them on it. PNRs, kickouts with a moving start.BasketballCoach2015 said:
Really interesting video to watch, especially for those that want to see what we are getting.
They had a good second half against Kansas, but the Jayhawks turned out to the their weakest team in many years.
It should be interesting to see how this does against length and athleticism.
A bigger concern is a 250 level defense.
It's a lot of the same 5 out concepts that Nate Oats is running at Alabama. The scheme won't be an issue.
A lot of parallels with him and Oats. When Oats got the Bama job he was only six years out of coaching high school ball.
Samford allowed a high offensive rebounding rate. They gamble a lot - #10 in steals but got burned a lot. The gambling defense is part of the high offensive tempo. But they definitely motor on offense.Aston04 said:
My concern is the full court pressing. The higher the level, the harder it is to win with that as a base defense. Hopefully not the go to defense (haven't watched any games of his he is winning)..
It should be interesting to see how they adapt to nest level offenses and defenses.
Samford has a very good law school. It's a beautiful campus.
West Texan said:DukeMu said:It's a good, mobile offense using moving screens. Interesting because the rotations are fast enough that the refs might not call them on it. PNRs, kickouts with a moving start.BasketballCoach2015 said:
Really interesting video to watch, especially for those that want to see what we are getting.
They had a good second half against Kansas, but the Jayhawks turned out to the their weakest team in many years.
It should be interesting to see how this does against length and athleticism.
A bigger concern is a 250 level defense.
It's a lot of the same 5 out concepts that Nate Oats is running at Alabama. The scheme won't be an issue.
I would love if McMillan is a Nate Oats. But Nate Oats WAS the reason Bobby Hurley's U Buffalo teams were good, and I'd be a Bobby Hurley fan. When I saw Oats' Buffalo teams, I knew he had that IT factor and could deal with pressure. Oats was on my short list when Buzz was hired.
Let's hope NIL can give McMillan the athletic talent he needs. He's young, so the assumption is Bucky will learn quickly on the job. It's a big risk. We'll see.
I'm getting tired just looking at them. I haven't seen that much running around stacks of kind of moving picks since JJ Redick!beatlesphan said:
Seeing this much movement from players on offense is shocking after watching Buzz for 6 yrs
chrisplus4 said:
Against less opponents
Dude? Samford was a "less opponent" too.
chrisplus4 said:
Against less opponents
Knew this was coming. You can also say he will be able to upgrade his pieces. He and everyone knows he will need to upgrade and will have the resources to do so. Give it time.
Nate Oats took Buffalo to 3 tournaments, and their first in 50 years. To the second round twice. His teams were generally top 50 in both O and D efficiency metrics. His best team finished #29 on torvik - bucky's best team finished 89.
This hire is nowhere near Oats
This hire is nowhere near Oats
Do you realize that Buffalo and Samford are not even remotely equivalent to each other resource wise? It's like comparing Buffalo to A&M. It's two totally different classes.
Buffalo has 31k+ students. Samford has 5k+ students. Buffalo is MAC and FBS. Samford is Southern Conference and FCS. You have to judge them based on their relative place in college sports. Buffalo is bigger than 5 SEC schools!
What are your thoughts on Todd Golden?
Buffalo has 31k+ students. Samford has 5k+ students. Buffalo is MAC and FBS. Samford is Southern Conference and FCS. You have to judge them based on their relative place in college sports. Buffalo is bigger than 5 SEC schools!
What are your thoughts on Todd Golden?
Yup. When you drive by Samford, you think it's a private K-12 school.aginresearch said:
Do you realize that Buffalo and Samford are not even remotely equivalent to each other resource wise? It's like comparing Buffalo to A&M. It's two totally different classes.
Buffalo has 31k+ students. Samford has 5k+ students. Buffalo is MAC and FBS. Samford is Southern Conference and FCS. You have to judge them based on their relative place in college sports. Buffalo is bigger than 5 SEC schools!
What are your thoughts on Todd Golden?
So you agree that Bucky's performance at Sam is nowhere near Oats', and we've moved on to comp him to Golden.
Golden's best SF team finished 23 in torvik. SF has a student population of 9k, since that's a qualifier for you.
Golden's best SF team finished 23 in torvik. SF has a student population of 9k, since that's a qualifier for you.
McMillan has better actual results than Golden did at USF. Unless Torvik is the way they award championships now I don't see the need to focus only on that.
I used enrollment to show that vast difference in resources. USF and Samford are more comparable. To me Golden and McMillan look the same. Same risk profile. Same potential.
I actually think McMillan looks similar to Oats. So no I'm not moving away from that comparison. I think your analytics are flawed and you already have a preconceived outcome in your mind.
I used enrollment to show that vast difference in resources. USF and Samford are more comparable. To me Golden and McMillan look the same. Same risk profile. Same potential.
I actually think McMillan looks similar to Oats. So no I'm not moving away from that comparison. I think your analytics are flawed and you already have a preconceived outcome in your mind.
Nope, just using metrics that allow year over year objective comparisons.
I hope like hell we continue to have a good bball team, but objectively Bucky has nowhere near Oats' resume at same point in career. Golden is closer, but Golden's best team was a lot better than Bucky's best team. Golden also had an opp to learn under Pearl for a couple years
I hope like hell we continue to have a good bball team, but objectively Bucky has nowhere near Oats' resume at same point in career. Golden is closer, but Golden's best team was a lot better than Bucky's best team. Golden also had an opp to learn under Pearl for a couple years
When do they drive into traffic with no clue where to go with the ball? And no one dribbles it off their foot out of bounds. What kind of offense is this?!?
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The modern one lol. I don't know if Aggie fans are gonna know what to do when the ball moves from side to side 3-4 times before a shot is taken. We've gotten too use to chunk and everybody attack the glass
There are more than one sides to a basketball court? Are you sure?
Crazy I know but we are moving out of the Stone Age of basketball offenses.
BasketballCoach2015 said:
Really interesting video to watch, especially for those that want to see what we are getting.
This offense has a lot of similar characteristics as creightons offense which is one the main reasons I was good with McDermott as a backup plan if we could convince him to leave.
It's a motion offense that doesn't require multiple high end players to be effective. Flows very well and you have a few pieces you can plug in and it's efficient regardless of the personnel running it.
If we have just landed a McDermott style offense that is 25 years younger….yes please
I sent the clip to my dad, who's a former high school coach, and the first thing he noticed was the lack of a traditional low post but that we will be incorporating a lot of duck ins and flashes. That part to me is exciting because you can incorporate a lot of high low looks.
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