At what point does Buzz go from being well thought of to another Schlossnagle

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Medaggie
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This is what all coaches and most on their job does on a daily basis. When someone is "recruited" for another job they want or plan on leaving, they always profess how much they love it at the current job.

When any coach is asked the same questions when a better job comes up (texas is a better job), they would be committing professional suicide if they do not state 100% that they are committed and not looking anywhere.

Admit it, you all would do the same in the same position and most have done this when looking for a new job.

What do you think he should have said, short of being 100% committed. What if he was honest said, "I am committed to A&M through the CWS and we will see what the future holds"? What happens then if the texas job falls through, he just committed professional suicide. No different than any other job.

The old owner always gets pissed and feels like the employee lied to them but the owner would fire the employee if they found someone better. This happens all the time in business and sports.

You may be the top employee today but you could be fired next year if you screw up or they find someone better/cheaper. Its life.

He did what was best for himself and his family which should be his 100% priority.
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Medaggie said:

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He did what was best for himself and his family which should be his 100% priority.
I don't have an issue with Schloss for this. As you say, this is the game everyone plays.

Where Schloss stepped over the line of ethics was the concerted attempt to sabotage the A&M program on the way out.

Remember, he didn't tell his coaching staff until the move was happening, then gave them no time to consider the implications of the move.... basically telling them "get in the car or you get left behind".

He also had been speaking to certain team members beforehand and undermining the CWS run.

Then, he tried to pull the ENTIRE team and leave A&M in a total bind.

And the above is why I will consider him a ******nagle until the end of time.
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The Buzz situation is only similar to ****Nagel in the sense that both coaches left of their own volition for a different school.

Other 'n that, the situations are pretty starkly different.
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With a well experienced team, this was Buzz's year to leave on a high, taking us 4 or 5 games deep in the tourney.

That didn't work out, so he leaves with a feeling that his tenure here was a big disappointment.

Unlike Schloss who did all he could do to make everyone hate him with his leaving.

Buzz will never be as dewshy as Schloss.
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He only cares about himself. I'm not mad at him for that but I don't like him because of that. To each their own. For that reason I hope he fails because I don't like to see selfish people like him succeed.
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The best thing about Buzz was/is that he's not a complete scumbag like so many other coaches we have hired I.e. Jimbo, Schlob, Petrino or coaches we have tried to hire like Beard. He was weird, insecure, and narcissistic but not a scumbag.
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Rec said:

The best thing about Buzz was/is that he's not a complete scumbag like so many other coaches we have hired I.e. Jimbo, Schlob, Petrino or coaches we have tried to hire like Beard. He was weird, insecure, and narcissistic but not a scumbag.
why was Jimbo a scumbag? He never did anything here IMO to warrant that label.
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:-) :&) :-D :')
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bobinator said:

Yeah, I think everyone involved made the right decisions here. I'm just saying even if we gave him a raise and extension I'm not sure that keeps him from leaving
and i think that would make him go even deeper into the bunker of team buzz vs the world (fans included)
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bobinator said:

Yeah, I think we can all debate to what degree he was successful here but it did seem like his bunker mentality was putting a cap on our long-term potential as a program.

At no point have I even really been upset that he left. Maybe because it just seemed inevitable but it really had that vibe of like a friendly breakup. "Yeah we had some good times but let's get on with our lives."


Absolutely

Dimond1968
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I don't understand why Buzz would get any hate.
Dimond1968
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What did Jimbo do that was scum bag?
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Schloss said in Omaha that seeing the support that the fans were giving him and the team literally brought tears to his eyes. And that he was thankful to be a part of building A&M into "the college baseball power it deserves to be." All while knowing he's going to take the Texas job.

Say what you want about Buzz but he never pretended to care much about anything outside the team. His exit seems much more amicable, and not even in the same hemisphere of toxicity.
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BQ_90 said:

Rec said:

The best thing about Buzz was/is that he's not a complete scumbag like so many other coaches we have hired I.e. Jimbo, Schlob, Petrino or coaches we have tried to hire like Beard. He was weird, insecure, and narcissistic but not a scumbag.
why was Jimbo a scumbag? He never did anything here IMO to warrant that label.


All the things he did at FSU… lots of bad ****
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Never.

But I'm looking forward to the reaction here when/if he takes Maryland deep into NCAAT- or even a Final Four - especially if it is a team with former Aggie players on it.
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Past the time to move on from Buzz
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What a stupid post. Every coach in the history of athletics has done and said the same thing. Why would anyone say they are actually in talks to take another job when asked. What if they came to a disagreement on some terms and the deal fell through. How stupid would someone look if they said they were leaving and then had to backtrack.

Have you ever left a job for another? If you were planning on applying for jobs and had your performance review, are you a liar if you don't put you plan to leave on your goals for next year?

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He can never attain schlos territory. Not even close.
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If it's stupid, then why does everyone say it was bad for Schlossnagle doing the same thing? I was just pointing outing out that Buzz was no different.

And for the record, if I had a job offer lined up, I would not act like I didn't. Integrity.
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That's part of the rub. Buzz didn't have another job secured before the season was over, Schloss did .
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Ag_EE_88 said:

halfastros81 said:

Didn't say he wasn't going anywhere and was committed to A & M the day before he left like Schlossnagle did.
Actually, he pretty much did say that. When asked about recruiting on the day before it was opening, he said he was going to be starting first thing the next day. Do you actually believe that to be the case? He had already been in talks with Maryland and was leaving. He lied just like Schlossnagle.
I believe he was recruiting, just not for players to go here
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I was waiting for you to drop something stupid about integrity.

Comparing your industry and expectations to high-level coaching is disingenuous and small-brained. In the real world, most companies require some sort of notice when you will be leaving your job if you want to be eligible for re-hire and not burn bridges. As soon as you decide to start looking for another job, do you tell your boss and colleagues that you are planning on leaving since you have such integrity? Or do you do what every other normal person does and not submit your notice of resignation until you have an offer and a start date with a different job?

No coach in the history of the world has telegraphed that they want to leave and gave two weeks' notice. They accept an offer and get on a plane, and fly off into the sunset. Comparing Buzz to Schloss is another disingenuous move, but not surprising.
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I'd way rather engage in a rebuild in year one than year 6 or 7. This fan base would have been horrendous when the team was predictably average next year. This way he can be average with a lot less grief.

As for Schloss, it was how he reacted in the press conference that sealed the deal on how I feel about him. Going off on Zane for doing his job was gross.
Medaggie
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College AD and Admin will profess that they support the current coach then fire them at the end of the year. Happens all the time. Are you going to hate on the school and AD? Of course not.

Coaches have much more to lose if they tip their hand. Better to come back another year after professing love for the school than waffling.

Funny how Schloss would have been viewed completely different if the texas job fell through. He would be back this year with the team being top 5 in the SEC. He would be seen as the righteous man of honor who rejected texas being placed on the A&M mount rushmore of coaches. He would have gotten a huge extension.

Same guy. Same situation other than having the job fall through.
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Buzz will never be viewed like Schloss.

1. Schloss was a winner. Buzz was not.
2. People were angry when Schloss left. With Buzz, they were not.
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I am glad we got a coach that brings great new style of play. Buzz never recruited players that could score on a dependable basis every game
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I agree sort of. Buzz didn't recruit players who his staff was able to develop into scorers dependably except Wade . How much of it was the players skill sets and capability and how much was lack of development of players or offensive approach … we'll never know the answer. They did seem to develop Payne tho.

I think it was a combo. Players were recruited specifically to play Buzz ball and also Buzz ball emphasized other things over scoring proficiency.
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What makes him a "Schlossnagle?" Taking another job?
Destroying our roster although we somehow NILed some of ours back........unfortunately?
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The roster was decimated more by players running out of eligibility than by Buzz. Granted he took 4 guys that would have probably played significant minutes next yr but what else would you have expected ? Whether or not those guys would have fit Bucky's system I dunno but you have to think Payne and Solo would have at the very least . It's how things go. You have to think Bucky brings some good players with him as well… point guard from North Alabama is the first of hopefully 4 or 5.
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Ric Clark said:

At what point does Buzz go from being well respected/thought of by the Aggie family to another Schlossnagle?


Buzz had less success than his predecessor. Why would he be well thought of?
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The only reason to be angry with Buzz is if Turkson and Mills actually show they can play. Because that will mean Buzz sat better players at end or the bench for his senior pets who couldn't stay on the court against high competition or contribute anything to get us out of the round of 32.
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Schloss is an elite coach that truly hurt to lose, let alone to a rival.

Buzz is an average coach that I was happy left.
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We are a stepping stone school in basketball except my style our former hires really haven't stepped up when they left.

Schloss was the real thing and knew it…
TyperWoods
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greg.w.h said:

We are a stepping stone school in basketball except my style our former hires really haven't stepped up when they left.




Hey now......Tony Barone parlayed his tenure here into becoming an NBA Head Coach.
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I used AI to create a song about Buzz. I like the guy but what it spit out for me cracked me up:

https://suno.com/s/1cbF7OfQs2DrxzYM

And a death metal one for POS:

https://suno.com/s/mrwOSbKCGs1QsOm2
 
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