So WTF was so hard for ESPN to run that in slow mo and pause at 0;00??

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12:35a, 1/7/26

Like is done every other time? They ran it themselves and saw the outcome they didnt want to see.

The SECN studio afterwards were all asking that same question. "Where's the pause on the shot???"
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12:36a, 1/7/26
I bet some Auburn fan has good camera video of it and it shows it wasn't off but I get their anger. I would argue it was indisputable by them.
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12:39a, 1/7/26
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12:42a, 1/7/26
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Half a second should've ran off before they ever started the game clock on the inbound. That should've got the call overturned if nothing else.
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In reply to Ag1188 • 1:17a, 1/7/26
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Agreed. Clock didn't start until he caught and turned toward the basket. If clock starts on time, it wouldn't even have been close.


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6:03a, 1/7/26
The game was over after pops terrible miss. Auburn had no t/o's that was serious wtf right there to give them the ball at 3/4 court. Refs were bad but got that call right.
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6:35a, 1/7/26
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That was the most infuriating TV production sequence I've seen in any game in a long time. Even my 7 year old knows they can advance the footage one frame at a time until the clock shows 0, then zoom the camera on the guy's fingers still touching the ball. Broadcasters were talking about the "angle", which was not the issue. The angle from the backcourt was as fine.
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7:57a, 1/7/26
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By his reaction, apparently the Auburn coach was able to pause it on his iPad.
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In reply to Method Man • 8:03a, 1/7/26
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In reply to phatty26 • 8:10a, 1/7/26
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phatty26 said:
The game was over after pops terrible miss. Auburn had no t/o's that was serious wtf right there to give them the ball at 3/4 court. Refs were bad but got that call right.


Refs got the call right to arbitrarily stop the clock after a live ball rebound situation to review and then to put .6 seconds on the clock? The ball clearly hit the rim or it would have been a violation and the full time would be on the clock. That .6 seconds was bs and you clearly don't know ball
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In reply to agspirit_09 • 8:15a, 1/7/26
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Reading his post, I think y'all agree. He's saying the refs were bad, but got that last call right because the game shouldve been over anyway.
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In reply to Scotts Tot • 8:17a, 1/7/26
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Scotts Tot said:
That was the most infuriating TV production sequence I've seen in any game in a long time. Even my 7 year old knows they can advance the footage one frame at a time until the clock shows 0, then zoom the camera on the guy's fingers still touching the ball. Broadcasters were talking about the "angle", which was not the issue. The angle from the backcourt was as fine.

I think the issue is that there was some timing discrepancy from court and TV I think? I haven't seen a breakdown but I'm sure we'll get it sorted out today.
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8:26a, 1/7/26
The replay we saw was from a camera shot from across the court up on the second level. That the only camera they had on the court? Pitiful!
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In reply to Scotts Tot • 8:34a, 1/7/26
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Scotts Tot said:
That was the most infuriating TV production sequence I've seen in any game in a long time. Even my 7 year old knows they can advance the footage one frame at a time until the clock shows 0, then zoom the camera on the guy's fingers still touching the ball. Broadcasters were talking about the "angle", which was not the issue. The angle from the backcourt was as fine.


Maybe...maybe not. The game was on the SEC Network, correct? If so, they do not have the same production equipment they'll have at a game on ESPN or even ESPN2. It's not like SECN games are poorly done...it's just that the networks are going to have a better on-air product on the major network than on the secondary networks. Same with CBS vs. the CBS Sports Network or Fox vs. FS1.

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In reply to Luke The Drifter • 8:46a, 1/7/26
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Luke The Drifter said:
Scotts Tot said:
That was the most infuriating TV production sequence I've seen in any game in a long time. Even my 7 year old knows they can advance the footage one frame at a time until the clock shows 0, then zoom the camera on the guy's fingers still touching the ball. Broadcasters were talking about the "angle", which was not the issue. The angle from the backcourt was as fine.


Maybe...maybe not. The game was on the SEC Network, correct? If so, they do not have the same production equipment they'll have at a game on ESPN or even ESPN2. It's not like SECN games are poorly done...it's just that the networks are going to have a better on-air product on the major network than on the secondary networks. Same with CBS vs. the CBS Sports Network or Fox vs. FS1.


You could pause a BetaMax tape back in 1988 and advance it frame by frame!

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In reply to Luke The Drifter • 9:25a, 1/7/26
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Luke The Drifter said:
Scotts Tot said:
That was the most infuriating TV production sequence I've seen in any game in a long time. Even my 7 year old knows they can advance the footage one frame at a time until the clock shows 0, then zoom the camera on the guy's fingers still touching the ball. Broadcasters were talking about the "angle", which was not the issue. The angle from the backcourt was as fine.


Maybe...maybe not. The game was on the SEC Network, correct? If so, they do not have the same production equipment they'll have at a game on ESPN or even ESPN2. It's not like SECN games are poorly done...it's just that the networks are going to have a better on-air product on the major network than on the secondary networks. Same with CBS vs. the CBS Sports Network or Fox vs. FS1.


i do not think they have that, i think they use the local production for sec network games, where ABC, ESPN they bring in their own production people. but i could be wrong on that
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In reply to BQ_90 • 9:29a, 1/7/26
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Which would make perfect sense...and shows that the quality is not going to be a strong as it is for a game on the mothership network.

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9:30a, 1/7/26
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I'm still thinking what they were looking at was when the clock started relative to when the player first touched it. If the clock didn't start instantly it could have looked like the release was in time when it wasn't. I'm
Just guessing.
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In reply to Luke The Drifter • 9:31a, 1/7/26
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Correct because not every school invested in production like A&M did with 12th Man productions
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9:31a, 1/7/26
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SEC Network broadcasts seem to have a significantly lower production value that ESPN 1/2 or ABC. This is also true in football. Basically the Temu version of ESPN.

The important thing is that the refs had access to the correct footage.
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10:06a, 1/7/26
I was wondering how we can get such good up close angles in the volleyball games and see the blockers pinky barely move from grazing the ball, but yet in basketball we seem to get these horrible angles and camera shots. But I guess it makes sense that they wouldn't have as good as a championship game production team.
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10:10a, 1/7/26
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I just want to know if Pearl has the stadium scoreboards on his ipad when he's melting down because those are clearly still showing time after the official clock is at 0.0 and red light on the backboard is lit.
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In reply to BQ_90 • 10:19a, 1/7/26
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BQ_90 said:
Correct because not every school invested in production like A&M did with 12th Man productions


Yep, networks consider 12th Man Productions one of the best home crews to work with in college sports.
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10:23a, 1/7/26
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You can see there was 0.1 difference between arena clocks and tv clocks the whole way.
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11:07a, 1/7/26
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Interesting article from CBS Sports

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/auburn-basketball-buzzer-beater-vs-texas-a-m-that-was-called-off/
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In reply to lawless89 • 11:08a, 1/7/26
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lawless89 said:
I was wondering how we can get such good up close angles in the volleyball games and see the blockers pinky barely move from grazing the ball, but yet in basketball we seem to get these horrible angles and camera shots. But I guess it makes sense that they wouldn't have as good as a championship game production team.


I'm thinking it is predictable to have a camera right down the net line in vb.
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In reply to Luke The Drifter • 11:41a, 1/7/26
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Luke The Drifter said:
Scotts Tot said:
That was the most infuriating TV production sequence I've seen in any game in a long time. Even my 7 year old knows they can advance the footage one frame at a time until the clock shows 0, then zoom the camera on the guy's fingers still touching the ball. Broadcasters were talking about the "angle", which was not the issue. The angle from the backcourt was as fine.


Maybe...maybe not. The game was on the SEC Network, correct? If so, they do not have the same production equipment they'll have at a game on ESPN or even ESPN2. It's not like SECN games are poorly done...it's just that the networks are going to have a better on-air product on the major network than on the secondary networks. Same with CBS vs. the CBS Sports Network or Fox vs. FS1.


I don't think it's an equipment issue. Sure the cameras may be lower quality…less sharp, lower frame rate, etc. But the ability to advance video frame by frame is fundamentally basic video editing/processing. They kept rolling the video through at about half speed without stopping at the key point, which was entirely pointless and unhelpful.
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In reply to Luke The Drifter • 11:57a, 1/7/26
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Luke The Drifter said:
Interesting article from CBS Sports

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/auburn-basketball-buzzer-beater-vs-texas-a-m-that-was-called-off/

Nowhere does he ask if the clock was STARTED on time when the player received the inbounds pass (it wasn't).
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12:05p, 1/7/26
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They were slow to start the clock. Watching the replay on youtube... You can pause when he catches...and then quickly pause again and the clock hasn't moved yet..

Also, the least amount of time players needs to be able to catch and shoot (per studies and official rules given refs) is .4 seconds... .4 is the absolute fastest a guy can catch (while facing the basket in the catch/shoot position) and immediately go up/release.

If you watch the replay, this player catches the ball initially even with his head... when he catches his right foot is far behind his left (maybe 3 feet?)... he brings the ball all the way down to near his left knee while his left foot plants (over that time his right foot probably moved half the distance it was behind the left)..... then he swings his body fully forward, bringing his right foot diagonally in front of left (about a foot) and he is finally in the catch/shoot position.. and then shoots...

No way all that extra movement detailed above leading up to catch/shoot was only .2 seconds...
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In reply to chap • 12:05p, 1/7/26
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chap said:
You can see there was 0.1 difference between arena clocks and tv clocks the whole way.


Makes sense now
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In reply to The Collective • 1:03p, 1/7/26
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The Collective said:
lawless89 said:
I was wondering how we can get such good up close angles in the volleyball games and see the blockers pinky barely move from grazing the ball, but yet in basketball we seem to get these horrible angles and camera shots. But I guess it makes sense that they wouldn't have as good as a championship game production team.


I'm thinking it is predictable to have a camera right down the net line in vb.

hawk-eye uses 16 cameras AND integrates any network coverage into reviews
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2:01p, 1/7/26
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This is a good slo mo frame by frame look from an Auburn guy who thinks the ref got it right.

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2:13p, 1/7/26
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Help me understand something... was watching quietly from phone...

Auburn inbounds, heaves a shot, then gets the ball back with .6 on the clock...

HTH did they get the ball back???????
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In reply to oldschool87 • 2:21p, 1/7/26
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oldschool87 said:
Help me understand something... was watching quietly from phone...

Auburn inbounds, heaves a shot, then gets the ball back with .6 on the clock...

HTH did they get the ball back???????

A) the play was blown dead while they were in possession of the ball (or last to have possession) OR

B) they had the possession arrow after the refs blew the play dead while the ball was in the air

I'm not certain anybody knows for sure which is correct
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In reply to PJYoung • 2:24p, 1/7/26
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PJYoung said:
oldschool87 said:
Help me understand something... was watching quietly from phone...

Auburn inbounds, heaves a shot, then gets the ball back with .6 on the clock...

HTH did they get the ball back???????

A) the play was blown dead while they were in possession of the ball (or last to have possession) OR

B) they had the possession arrow after the refs blew the play dead while the ball was in the air

I'm not certain anybody knows for sure which is correct

WOW!!! Actually glad I did not know that at the time...
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