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halfastros81 said:

Had Solo stayed we'd be better this year. In hindsight he'd have been better off too but hindsight is 20/20. Bucky and staff would have prepped him better for whatever level of basketball may be in his future. At the end of the day Buzz did us a favor in leaving. That's hindsight too because I didn't think so at the time.


You're not the first person I've seen say this, but I'm not sure how much I agree with the Solo point. We could certainly use him, especially defensively and rebounding, but his complete inability to shoot would make it hard for him to get on the floor with Bucky. He isn't a 5 and we pretty much require everyone else to be able to shoot the three ball unless you can break down a defender and get to the hoop, like Hill, which Solo couldn't do that either. He's bring some value to the table for sure, but his lack of offensive ability would limit him a lot in my opinion.
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I just want to express my heartfelt thanks that Buzz decided to take the Maryland job. That was a very unselfish act and a bonus for A&M basketball.
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Agree he'd be a role player in this system but against teams with lots of bigs ( Florida comes to mind) he'd be really helpful to have . You never know, maybe Bucky and staff could teach him to shoot better as well. His almost complete lack of offensive development under Buzz was almost a crime imo. A guy with his size and twitchiness could be so much more than a versatile defender imo.
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Never said it bothered me.

I said it highlighted his limitations. You don't have to win it all but you need to win more than one.

"Stuff happens" works for one season, maybe even 2. But for 6.
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Topher17 said:

halfastros81 said:

Had Solo stayed we'd be better this year. In hindsight he'd have been better off too but hindsight is 20/20. Bucky and staff would have prepped him better for whatever level of basketball may be in his future. At the end of the day Buzz did us a favor in leaving. That's hindsight too because I didn't think so at the time.


You're not the first person I've seen say this, but I'm not sure how much I agree with the Solo point. We could certainly use him, especially defensively and rebounding, but his complete inability to shoot would make it hard for him to get on the floor with Bucky. He isn't a 5 and we pretty much require everyone else to be able to shoot the three ball unless you can break down a defender and get to the hoop, like Hill, which Solo couldn't do that either. He's bring some value to the table for sure, but his lack of offensive ability would limit him a lot in my opinion.

Agreed. Bucky's analytics would likely say to bench him.

I've always been a fan of recruiting pure shooters/scorers (including point guard or stretch 4)... Players can figure out defense, get stronger etc.... But you got to be able to fill the hoop. And a lot of guys don't have it naturally and never will.
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Just to think IF we coulda kept Payne and Solo with this team...Oh my
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I'm sorry, am I seeing this right? A 2 - 20 run against us in the final 9 minutes of the first half?
We need to ****ing fire Buzz tonight we don't need a coach for the rest of this season **** it

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I want 0-20. Buzz deserves it. Dude ****ing sucks

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Pre-game show he was talking about hotel and trip schedules. Um, talk about the upcoming game.

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This team is so unwatchable yet I watch them every game. Somebody tell me why
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I think their fanbase will tire of his schtick much more quickly than anywhere he has coached previously. Their problem is going to be the contract he was given because he had them over a barrel due to not having an AD at the time. New AD may want their own guy, but unless it's equally as horrible next year with their top notch recruiting class they may not have the $$ to jump off the ride.
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Topher17 said:

I think their fanbase will tire of his schtick much more quickly than anywhere he has coached previously. Their problem is going to be the contract he was given because he had them over a barrel due to not having an AD at the time. New AD may want their own guy, but unless it's equally as horrible next year with their top notch recruiting class they may not have the $$ to jump off the ride.

with the portal fanbases aren't going to be happy with 3 and 4 year program builds. This works totally against how Buzz builds a program.
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Eh, I dunno. From 2021 to 22 he built our team from the portal pretty well. In '21 we get Coleman, Javonte Brown-Ferguson, Ethan Henderson, Boots and Marcus Williams and the next year Marble, Garcia, KK Robinson and Dexter Dennis. And even his last year we brought in Phelps and Payne.

Those all to varying degrees, were important pickups even if some of them didn't ultimately pan out.

I expect they'll be big players in the portal this year.

I think the thing that might get him at Maryland, along with his general weirdness just annoying the hell out of everyone, is that even when he does have a talented team it usually takes a half a season for that defensive scheme to really come together.

That's not only a big deal because his teams tend to drop some early season games, but the Big Ten plays some conference games before the holiday break.
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I was extremely upset when BCG left for uk

I didnt even blink when buzz left for Maryland

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Bucky has put more effort into involving fans in less than half a season than Buzz did in his entire tenure here.
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I for one will root for Buzz. He was a good coach here and a good leader of men. Put together some of my all time favorite moments as an Aggie basketball fan.

That said, The considerable upside of Bucky is making it a lot easier to be content with his leaving.

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bobinator said:

Eh, I dunno. From 2021 to 22 he built our team from the portal pretty well. In '21 we get Coleman, Javonte Brown-Ferguson, Ethan Henderson, Boots and Marcus Williams and the next year Marble, Garcia, KK Robinson and Dexter Dennis. And even his last year we brought in Phelps and Payne.

Those all to varying degrees, were important pickups even if some of them didn't ultimately pan out.

I expect they'll be big players in the portal this year.

I think the thing that might get him at Maryland, along with his general weirdness just annoying the hell out of everyone, is that even when he does have a talented team it usually takes a half a season for that defensive scheme to really come together.

That's not only a big deal because his teams tend to drop some early season games, but the Big Ten plays some conference games before the holiday break.

The unforced error was being ok with 6th? 7th, 8th ,9th men off the bench... Those would be not hard portal adds to upgrade. Hef gets picked on a lot, perhaps unfairly too much... but the fact remains he's not a d1 caliber player and buzz went into year 4 of him as a key cog. Same issue with several other guys with questionable production that Buzz waived his hands and said good enough heading into season.
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Hefner is a D1 player. Maybe even a decent one in the right spot. But agree he's not a guy you need getting double digit minutes if you're a defense first physical team.

But yes, it was loyalty to players that just weren't good enough that was part of the problem.
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I am a fan of Buzz and wish him the best. I have no ill will with him for accepting the Maryland job. I don't know how many remember how bad Billy Kennedy basketball was. Kennedy only gave us 2 good seasons even though he did win us an SEC championship. However, I lost interest in Aggie basketball because of Kennedy and apprecaited Buzz for rebuilding Aggie basketball and giving us some good memories.

With all of that said, I'm happy with Bucky so far.
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TyperWoods said:

Bucky has put more effort into involving fans in less than half a season than Buzz did in his entire tenure here.


Agree 100%. After the OU game, I took my nephews down to floor level to see if they could get player autographs on their scorecards. We crossed paths with Bucky and he could not have been any more polite and gracious to us. He engaged with the boys (ages 13 and 10), took a picture with them, and high-fived them both. The kids were ecstatic. They ended up getting autographs from Hill and Agee…which put them even higher up on cloud nine.
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bobinator said:

Hefner is a D1 player. Maybe even a decent one in the right spot. But agree he's not a guy you need getting double digit minutes if you're a defense first physical team.

But yes, it was loyalty to players that just weren't good enough that was part of the problem.

Disagree - a wing who can't shoot (especially now) is not.
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Aston04 said:

bobinator said:

Hefner is a D1 player. Maybe even a decent one in the right spot. But agree he's not a guy you need getting double digit minutes if you're a defense first physical team.

But yes, it was loyalty to players that just weren't good enough that was part of the problem.

Disagree - a wing who can't shoot (especially now) is not.


D1 player is a loose term. If you're talking D1 as in Middle Tennessee, Akron, Georgia State, or Nebraska-Omaha, then yea…he was a D1 caliber player.
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I think Hef wouldv'e been fine for P4 hoops at like an Iowa. He was a decent player his senior year and our offense actually flowed better when he was in because he was the only wing who moved off-ball.

Agree he really wasn't a fit for Buzz's style
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Luke The Drifter said:

TyperWoods said:

Bucky has put more effort into involving fans in less than half a season than Buzz did in his entire tenure here.


Agree 100%. After the OU game, I took my nephews down to floor level to see if they could get player autographs on their scorecards. We crossed paths with Bucky and he could not have been any more polite and gracious to us. He engaged with the boys (ages 13 and 10), took a picture with them, and high-fived them both. The kids were ecstatic. They ended up getting autographs from Hill and Agee…which put them even higher up on cloud nine. L

Exactly! Your nephews had a good time, which means you had a good time, which means mom and dad are happy as well. The whole fan experience can change over-night when your coach will just make an effort. And train his guys to do the same.

I love what Bucky is doing.
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I mean maybe he could shoot better in a different system and with different kinds of players around him or coaching him. And if he played somewhere like SFA you could possibly play him at the high post where he could use his athleticism a little bit.

There's a lot of room between not being good enough to be getting 15 minutes a game in the SEC and not being able to play D1 basketball.

I mean he was a D1 player playing 15 minutes a game for a 4 seed in the greatest conference of all time without being like -15 every game. I imagine he'd be just fine on a lot of smaller conference teams.
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Fair enough. I will just agree to disagree. There's no point discussing it more.

Glad we got Bucky now.
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Also, if he had a coach who actively tried to improve his players shooting abilities, he'd have been fine.

His form was good
bobinator
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His upper body form was good, his feet were always all over the place. Didn't help that we were one of the worst passing teams I've ever seen.

People talk about Hefner a lot but Manny was an extremely tough watch too outside of his random awesome one or two games a season.
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bobinator said:

His upper body form was good, his feet were always all over the place. Didn't help that we were one of the worst passing teams I've ever seen.

People talk about Hefner a lot but Manny was an extremely tough watch too outside of his random awesome one or two games a season.
what I liked about Manny was he is an incredible athlete. But never put it together on the basketball court consistently.
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LB12Diamond said:

Buzz last year here has a senior laden team and wins one tournament game.

Jaime this year in volleyball has senior laden team and wins the whole darn thing.

Buzz only winning one tournament game last season was extremely telling with his limitations as a coach.


If you couldn't see his limitations after the first year or 2nd…prolly need to watch more basketball, respectfully
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Undefeated in conference play and we're talking about Hefner… this is what I live for
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Aston04 said:

bobinator said:

His upper body form was good, his feet were always all over the place. Didn't help that we were one of the worst passing teams I've ever seen.

People talk about Hefner a lot but Manny was an extremely tough watch too outside of his random awesome one or two games a season.
what I liked about Manny was he is an incredible athlete. But never put it together on the basketball court consistently.


Manny just signed with the Knicks G League team.

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/new-york-knicks/manny-obaseki-g-league-prospect/
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I'm ready for Maryland v USC tomorrow night.
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Aston04 said:

bobinator said:

His upper body form was good, his feet were always all over the place. Didn't help that we were one of the worst passing teams I've ever seen.

People talk about Hefner a lot but Manny was an extremely tough watch too outside of his random awesome one or two games a season.
what I liked about Manny was he is an incredible athlete. But never put it together on the basketball court consistently.


Yeah Buzz had a pretty horrific development record here. And you know from what Buzz emphasized on his teams they just weren't working on skills (at the appropriate frequency & intensity) that can actually get them to the next level. Wade Taylor was essentially the same player as a senior as he was as a freshman. Guys didn't develop a better handle, become a better shooter, better finisher etc. They got more experience, played harder, and smarter. Thats nice but it does a disservice to these guys who have the capacity to play at the next level even if that's overseas or in the G-League.

Bucky is really focused on the most important skills these guys can grow, and this is why we will see some legit prospects come through his program.

Listen how Jamie Morrison, Elko and Bucky talk about their players and how they view development. It's like an entirely different language to how Buzz talked about it. Those 3 guys are openly laser focused on getting their players to the next level and cultivating the skills to do so, it was never the same priority for Buzz.
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txag72 said:

Ah man, I hate to see all these takes on Buzz. But, man, did he leave the cupboard bare.


Dudes a self righteous charlatan

Also, fran left the cupboard bare. Buzz stole all the groceries in the cupboard and took them with him.
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Senior Wade Taylor was on a different planet of basketball ability compared to fish Wade Taylor. Wild that got typed out

We can say he didn't develop offensive skills (most specifically shooting) to the extent we wanted, because it's true, but to say player didn't develop their basketball skill and get better is just false
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Junior wade Taylor was the best though.

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He was I agree. Wade wasn't quite the same after his injury last year

Regardless, fish Wade was essentially an off-ball spot up shooter. By the end of his 2nd year he was an All-SEC point guard
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