Quick Seed Projection

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bobinator
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Going to do the first full bracket breakdown of the season on our bye date next week, but wanted to go ahead and share a few things just for folks starting to tune in after we beat Texas. We've been popping up on bracketologies the last couple of weeks but what do the odds really look like, what's the path we need to walk, and how likely is it really?

Annual note: The whole point is that this is a projection of the rest of our season, and is not based solely on results that have already happened.

TL;DR: Right now we PROJECT as comfortably (but not super comfortably) in the field as an 8-9 seed

Full breakdown:
Current resume: NET: 42, NET WAB: 39
Predictive Metrics: BPI: 30, POM: 38, Torvik: 31
Results Metrics: KPI: 50, SOR: 37

Remaining games (projected line per Torvik):
1/21 - Mississippi State (-11)
1/24 - South Carolina (-10)
1-31 - at Georgia (+5)
2/3 - at Alabama (+11)
2/7 - Florida (+3)
2/11 - Missouri (-9)
2/14 - at Vandy (+13)
2/18 - Ole Miss (-10)
2/21 - at Oklahoma (-2)
2/25 - at Arkansas (+7)
2/28 - Texas (-6)
3/3 - Kentucky (-5)
3/7 - at LSU (+2)
Projected SEC record: 11-7

What is the point of this?
I do this every year as a compliment to ColleyvilleAg's bubble watch to give people an idea of what is projected to happen. It's one thing to look at bracketologies, but those are based mostly on what's already happened. They often do not take into account things like unbalanced schedules.

I think this is helpful to look at after games to see what will actually make a big difference when it comes to figuring out if we're going to make the tournament and/or what seed we'll be. There will be people upset that our projection doesn't change much even if we beat State and SC by double digits each, but that is what's supposed to happen. To really change our projection, results would need to deviate from the predicted results.

What are the big takeaways here?
The big thing people need to realize is that we already bagged two of the harder games on our schedule. Yes, the back half of the schedule is tougher than the front half, but by winning at Auburn and Texas, we've drastically improved our situation and now even have a little bit of margin for error for a slip up. That said, the slip up needs to not be one of these next two games. A loss to South Carolina OR Mississippi State would be our worst loss of the season.

The other thing is that some games that we might have considered long shots a few weeks ago now don't look quite so intimidating, namely Missouri and Kentucky, which are now games we figure to be significant favorites in.

That isn't what Lunardi is saying...
GTFOH
BaytownAg13
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This is pretty crazy to be talking about considering where many of us thought this team would end up after the Mgbako injury. Hopefully we can stay healthy (knock on wood) and keep defying expectations.
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Basically win all our home games where we are favored and we're going dancing:
1/21 - Mississippi State (-11)
1/24 - South Carolina (-10)
2/11 - Missouri (-9)
2/18 - Ole Miss (-10)
2/28 - Texas (-6)
3/3 - Kentucky (-5)

Lose any of these and pick up a winnable game on the road like OU or LSU. Win any other game on the schedule and we start thinking about a top 6 seed.


bobinator
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Yeah the other reason I like doing this is that if we win tomorrow night by like 2 points and our NET goes down instead of up I think it helps people understand why a little bit.
Method Man
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Thanks Bobbi
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BaytownAg13 said:

This is pretty crazy to be talking about considering where many of us thought this team would end up after the Mgbako injury. Hopefully we can stay healthy (knock on wood) and keep defying expectations.

I was really negative on us but we just continue to get better week to week. Bucky explained that some last week talking about not running a lot of set plays so it takes a while for the team to feel each other out and learn each other's cuts and movements. He has also talked about players buying into the team concept, playing for each other, not being selfish. I think as the wins continue to pile up that will only get reinforced.

I also can't believe how we are able to compete in the paint while getting beaten on the boards like we do. The power of hitting long distance shots opens the floor up and our smaller lineup out quicks the other team. And then we have the Agee factor.

Really fun team to watch so far. If we can avoid the injury bug there's no reason why we can't be a factor in March.
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bobinator said:


Remaining games (projected line per Torvik):
1/21 - Mississippi State (-11)
1/24 - South Carolina (-10)
1-31 - at Georgia (+5)
2/3 - at Alabama (+11)
2/7 - Florida (+3)
2/11 - Missouri (-9)
2/14 - at Vandy (+13)
2/18 - Ole Miss (-10)
2/21 - at Oklahoma (-2)
2/25 - at Arkansas (+7)
2/28 - Texas (-6)
3/3 - Kentucky (-5)
3/7 - at LSU (+2)
Projected SEC record: 11-7



Can't believe Florida is only a 3 point favorite. I am hoping we can stay within 15 points for metric's sake.
Their size is gonna eat us on on the boards, we need to be hot from 3 to have a chance.

Favorites in ALL remaining home games except Florida, that is great to see.

I think we can steal at least 2 more road games (Okie, and LSU) which would give us 4 road wins and give us room in case we drop a home game where we are favored.
bobinator
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The thing about Florida is that they're one of the worst three point shooting teams in the country, so at times they can hold an opponent in the game even though they're killing them on the boards.

That game is one that the game preview is very simple. We have to shoot like we normally shoot or better, they have to shoot how they normally shoot or worse, and we need to just get crushed on the glass as opposed to getting absolutely murdered.

They will play at tempo so if they shoot and miss some transition threes those should be a little easier to rebound than in the halfcourt where those trees they have will be camped out under the basket.
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EDITED because I offended Bob.
bobinator
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how dare you bring Lunardi onto one of my threads
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bobinator said:

how dare you bring Lunardi onto one of my threads

Sorry, just bringing good news.

If you want me to delete it, I will..

Don't want to track mud into your house...
bobinator
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I'm just kidding, it's just my running bit that I hate Lunardi. He's fine.

I've had this thing going for years of how much I HATE that ESPN goes all in one guy (that isn't even particularly good at it) for their bracket conversations. He's not particularly bad at it either, but if we can get 17 people to post NFL mock drafts you'd think we could at least get one other voice on ESPN.
aggiez03
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TRUE.

He isn't the savant they make him out to be.

But if someone tells me I'm Pretty, then I will take the compliment and be happy.
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Mikeyshooter said:

Basically win all our home games where we are favored and we're going dancing:
1/21 - Mississippi State (-11)
1/24 - South Carolina (-10)
2/11 - Missouri (-9)
2/18 - Ole Miss (-10)
2/28 - Texas (-6)
3/3 - Kentucky (-5)

Lose any of these and pick up a winnable game on the road like OU or LSU. Win any other game on the schedule and we start thinking about a top 6 seed.

While I believe we do likely get in with those wins, I think that may be painting a little too rosy a picture.

If we win those 6 and lose everything else, Torvik's Teamcast puts us at the first 10 seed. 80% chance to make the tourney, so a high probability but not secure.

If we also beat OU, Torvik moves us up one spot to the last 9 seed (85% chance to make the tourney).

A 6 seed requires something like beating those 6 plus OU, LSU, AND Florida. That even just puts us at a 7 seed per Torvik.

Obviously that's all based on Torvik's data model, but just wanted to share what it projects.
Mikeyshooter
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Torvik is just one model. It's all useful but lets remember in 2022 when we were on the outside looking in, Torvik ranked us #32 which should have been safely in the field. Had our tourney odds at 90% after the Arkansas game.



bobinator
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It's really the only model you can tinker with though so I get why people like it.

It does fall down on situations like that one though because it obviously doesn't take the mechanics of how the committee actually works into account.
bobinator
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BTW one more break we might catch is we have off the midweek next week but Georgia doesn't. They play Tennessee on Tuesday and there's probably not two teams in the SEC more different than us and Tennessee so that's a relatively tough turn around.

It hasn't gotten the attention that some of our other future matchups have but our game against Georgia could be absolutely wild. They're currently #1 in the country in tempo.
Pichael Thompson
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We're gonna be a 3 seed



Bucky is goatd
EliteZags
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don't think I've ever liked an 8/9 draw more than the 11 spot
25Lighters
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Great analysis and completely agree with projected 11-7 conference record.
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BaytownAg13 said:

This is pretty crazy to be talking about considering where many of us thought this team would end up after the Mgbako injury. Hopefully we can stay healthy (knock on wood) and keep defying expectations.


I thought it was a pipe dream in the off-season that we'd be dancing! Bucky has done an unbelievable job!
Agsttt
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That Vandy line won't be ANYWHERE NEAR 13 on gameday, but it would sure be sweet if i was. That's a mortgage, vehicle and kids wagering number.
Gigemags382
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Yea I guess probably not. Looks like it's already moved to 9 on Torvik. Idk though, recency bias at play right now. That's going to be a tough game. Wouldn't be surprised at 13.
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EliteZags said:

don't think I've ever liked an 8/9 draw more than the 11 spot


8/9 is tough because you know going in that you're likely playing no more than 2 games


Divining Rod
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frankly, i think they should take all the erstwhile 14/15 seeds and slot them in the 8/9 spots, and vice versa.

there's a lot of very good reasons why doing this makes sense.

it's just stupid when an 8 or 9 seed so often has to feel like they would much rather be seeded worse.
Divining Rod
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Reasons why slotting 14 and 15s at 8/9 slot works:

1. 14 vs.15 still gives an interesting a game as 8 v 9
2. 14/15 like it because a MUCH better chance to advance to round 2
3. Difference between playing a 1 in round two is not that much different than playing a 2 in round 1. (still big underdog), plus the get benefit of #2 point above.

4. The 8&9 play a 3 and 2. Yeah, thy start out tougher, but we are talking a top 30-35 team which presumably should be able to match up fairly well, and they avoid the potential "SUPER TEAM" as some of the 1s are.

5. If they DO win the first game, then they get a very manageable chance to make the sweet 16 by playing a 6 or 7 seed.


Biggest downside i see to all this is people wont want to watch two "boring" games by 1 seeds (vs a 16, then next against a 14 or 15. But I think all the positives outweigh it, and you still get the chance for the shocker upset, x 2.
bobinator
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I need to see this charted out, so like the two seed plays a 13 seed first?
Divining Rod
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the bracket looks exactly the same, except you put all the the 8 seeds where the 14 's would be, and the 9s where the 15s would be.

Really, having the #1 seeds play two low ranked teams to start is not all that much different than what we see in other sports, and no team would feel like they got screwed because of their "good" seeding.

so # 2 plays #9, with the winner advancing to play the winner of 7 vs 10., just as #2 seed would normally.
#3 plays #8, with winner taking on winner of 6 vs 11, just as 3 normally would.

#1 plays # 16 same as always, then takes on winner of 14 vs 15 instead of the usual 8th/9th team.

We'd probably see a few interesting 2nd round games with the 1s even still, given how recent tourneys have played out with some really good 14 and 15 teams.
bobinator
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I mean the 2 and 3 seeds are definitely going to think they got screwed.
Divining Rod
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definitely true, but i think it's a "quirk" worth having. Not too much sympathy is going to be given a 2 who complains about having to play a 9 .

oh and it would generate a HELLUVA lot more interest in who snags the four top seeds vs #2 seeds.

THAT in itself is worth the popcorn!
AirAgs
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Good stuff. Thank you for putting this together.

It's crazy I'm asking this, but what do you think our chances of winning the conference are given the rest of our schedule?
bobinator
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I think it's a pretty long shot. Right now Florida projects to go 14-4 on Torvik, but they're actually probably going to be favored in every remaining game. (Torvik and KenPom's models are based on probabilities, so it's not just favored in every game = winning out.) With the road games we have left it's hard to imagine us posting that kind of number.

But we'll see, this team keeps getting better. If we beat South Carolina, a team that's sort of been our anti-Auburn, and then find a way to win at Georgia then I might start to believe we've got a real shot.
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Yea even if we win the next 2 Torvik still only projects us at 12-6. However if we lose to Bama but then beat Florida, it projects us at 13-5.

If Florida wins the next 2 against Auburn and South Carolina, but then loses to Bama and us - that does move their projection down to 13-5.

I know it's all just model projections. But at least there's a semi-reasonable path.
bobinator
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Yeah any sort of realistic path would likely involve us beating Florida head to head, which is going to be a big ask. If you were designing a team to beat our style of play it would look a lot like them.
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Just seeing this. Great work bobinator. You're a legend.
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