Are we simply seeing much better talent start to gel together?

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Admittedly I came into this season knowing nothing about all of these new players. Non-conference showed signs of greatness with signs of "I can tell that none of these guys have ever played together".

While we haven't yet gone up against the cream of the crop, these guys sure seem to be gelling and figuring out how to work the court as one unit. The result is we're starting to see how much individual talent we have compared to recent years. I'm not dissing the past players, they were all dawgs who simply got after it and did more with less talent in many games.

But now we have dawgs who also have better skills in terms of ball handling, passing, moving without the ball, and obviously shooting.
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Having an offensive identity goes a long way.
bobinator
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If I were making a top ten list of things I like about Bucky so far, how hard this team gets after it is probably #1. We have several players who I expected to be, for lack of a better phrase, pretty soft on the court. Highly skilled, but not the kind that are going to get into the fight and mix it up.

This is especially true of Griffen and Dominguez. But here we are in late January and Griffen is out there taking charges and Dominguez, bless his heart, is absolutely battling for rebounds.

If Bucky can get those kinds of players to play this hard, then we might really have something cooking here.
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bobinator said:

If I were making a top ten list of things I like about Bucky so far, how hard this team gets after it is probably #1. We have several players who I expected to be, for lack of a better phrase, pretty soft on the court. Highly skilled, but not the kind that are going to get into the fight and mix it up.

This is especially true of Griffen and Dominguez. But here we are in late January and Griffen is out there taking charges and Dominguez, bless his heart, is absolutely battling for rebounds.

If Bucky can get those kinds of players to play this hard, then we might really have something cooking here.

Bob you and I and others have been all in since day one with Bucky. It doesnt matter if you are a coach, preacher, boss one thing in common is you are great you have the ability to get people to do great things you either have it or you dont.

Is there a top ten maybe but I think you can sum it in 5 things.

Coaching Coaching
Fearlessness (Bucky said this on day one)
Respect
Competitive
Talent (players that buy in)

This team is special
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I don't know anything about how Agee played in previous years; but he is freaking balling right now. Coaching? Maturity? Right system? I don't know but I sure wish we would have Agee for 2+ seasons. I know last night's opponent wasn't the strongest, so that likely helped, but everyone on the floor for the Ags was playing loose and having fun. EVEN when they made a mistake or missed a shot; they reacted like it was a rec game or backyard ball and just laughed it off and kept going.
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Bucky McMillan is just really really good at what he does across the whole spectrum of what it means to run a basketball program. That's the only conclusion I can come to.

All the positive stuff we heard about him coming in from former Samford and Mountain Brook players to other coaches saying he was a great hire … they were all right.
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Having a guy who coaches offense AND defense is part of it.
bobinator
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Absolutely. It's really interesting because Bucky has some of the best parts of Buzz without the annoying ones and then he does some things way better.

He gets players to buy into the team first, the way Isaacs and Griffen have been playing is great evidence of this. We are absolutely committed to a unique style of play that really challenges our opponents. We play incredibly hard. But then on top of that we have a truly modern offense. And Bucky is already showing that he can recruit to it and get players to buy into it.

And then he just gets it from the building up support standpoint.
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swc93 said:

I don't know anything about how Agee played in previous years; but he is freaking balling right now. Coaching? Maturity? Right system? I don't know but I sure wish we would have Agee for 2+ seasons. I know last night's opponent wasn't the strongest, so that likely helped, but everyone on the floor for the Ags was playing loose and having fun. EVEN when they made a mistake or missed a shot; they reacted like it was a rec game or backyard ball and just laughed it off and kept going.
the system is perfect for Agee. He is an undersized, athletic big man. Perfect system for someone like that is to run and space the floor.
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The thing I'd add about the talent is that I think Bucky thinks he can get anyone to play hard so he's going to recruit talent first. And with this style, you recruit a bunch of really-good-but-not-elite type prospects, even if some of them don't buy in, that's okay, you've built a deep bench and the guys that are buying in are going to play and the others can either start buying in or they can sit there.

Buzz did not necessarily think that way. I think he prioritized effort on the same level as talent. Obviously he still wanted talented guys, and we recruited plenty of them despite some folks on here acting like we were fielding a team of bums picked up off the side of the road. But I don't necessarily think he believed that he could get any player to play hard.

And that is obviously a big difference. It limited the types of player Buzz would go after, and then that created a chicken/egg spiral where our offense looks awful and really talented players don't necessarily want to play in it, which then makes it look even worse, etc. etc.
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What people saw as 'bad chemistry' and guys 'not getting it' and players like Pop being a potential problem earlier in the year was actually good chemistry, guys figuring it out together, and players like Pop being natural leaders.

Now those exact same scenarios could have gone the other way without the right staff, leadership and vision in place. But when that's in place those things were all signs of what we're seeing now which was the real-time development of a more confident and cohesive unit.
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I would like to read this top 10 list from you if you are ever bored
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Hastily assembled top ten list. These are not necessarily in order.

1) How hard we play - This, above anything else than actually winning games, is the thing I care about. I'd rather watch a season of a scrappy team clawing their way to a 9 seed than a super talented team coasting their way to an 9 seed, even if the end result is the same.

2) The style of play - Said this the moment the coaching search turned this way, but for Texas A&M basketball, we're not going to beat other teams trying to play the same kind of basketball everyone else is playing. We need some kind of edge to play, and our style is one.

3) How well he assembled this roster - We probably had to overpay for this roster because there was no proof of concept to show talented players, but Bucky knew how important it was to at least be competitive this season, and he went out and put together a competitive squad by looking under every possible rock. High major transfers, low major transfers, a professional international player, etc.

4) The way he interacts with fans - This should maybe be #1 when compared to the last coach, but he's not out here building a bunker around this program. From what I'm told he's interacting with donors, he's building up support, he doesn't seem like he actively hates our fans.

5) Pop Isaacs - Started a thread about this, but this is a player that for a couple of weeks in the fall I halfway expected to quit because that's what happened with previous coaches. We'd have players just mysteriously disappear from the roster. Isaacs was visibly frustrated, he got benched for an entire game, and now here he is. That shows me that Bucky isn't a "my way or GTFOH," he knows how to push the right buttons.

6) Defensive intensity - This is kind of an offshoot of #1 I guess but we are WAY better defensively than I ever imagined we'd be with this group of players. In league games we're third in the conference in defensive efficiency which is absolutely wild.

7) Press conferences - It's easy to like this compared to Buzz, but really compared to anyone, I like that he answers actual basketball questions with actual basketball answers. He doesn't act like we're protecting some kind of state secrets.

8) Commitment - This is probably an offshoot of #2, but it would have been really easy to back off the way we play when we lost to Oklahoma State and UCF, but we didn't. He believes in the system and ultimately knew it would click eventually.

9) In-game coaching experience - This is something that people don't value enough. Until you're the head man standing on the sideline in the heat of the game, you don't know what it's like. It's the difference between keeping a cool head and mentally running the scenarios and what you need to do versus being Steven Pearl coaching his 16th game ever and using his last timeout between free throws with 2 seconds on the clock in a one possession game. A lot of it might be at the high school ranks, but Bucky has coached so many games that he not only knows the percentages, but he's probably seen about everything that can possibly happen at the end of a game.

10) Knowing his weak spots - Absolutely huge. Coming in here, what did all of us immediately say was going to be a problem? How does he handle the day-to-day of running a major college basketball program, something he has absolutely no experience with. He's not only never been a head coach, he's never even been an assistant at this level. So what does he do? He assembles a staff that includes a former head coach of an SEC (and other high-major programs), two assistants and a S&C coach that not only have been around the block, but have actually coached HERE before. This was something that I don't think enough people appreciated, was building a staff that not only has high major experience, but knows this school and who the people to know are and can help him rapidly build support.
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I guess I would have a 2.1 and 6.1

2.1 ruthless rotation. Expectation that players leave everything on the court and coaching staff takes care to give them rest.

6.1 see 2.1

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Style of play is less important than whether the coach understands and can teach the system or systems he intends to have the players execute and to me the way we keep getting incrementally better all the time its like, "Oh this guy really does know what he's doing"
Hardworking, Unselfish, Fearless
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Coaching coaching coaching coaching
bobinator
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To me the style is important if we're going to really make a run at winning something. We might be able to get the stars to align just right with players and beat teams playing a traditional basketball style, but I think it's far more likely that if we're ever going to really make a splash, we're going to do it because we're zigging where everyone else is zagging.
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Bucky doesn't overcomplicate things. To get Buzz to answer a question, he's going to tell you about meeting that guy's sister-in-law at a gas station who recommended he read a certain book before he gives a watered down answer.

In terms of basketball, he preaches the same way. We're running flex cuts, back door picks for easy 2's. And he also has great plays coming out of the timeouts, I think we ran a version of the picket fence play against tu for a wide open 3 for Rylen.

I'm seeing an innovative offense run with high efficiency that looks so simple on the floor. But what I'm seeing is that we're forcing teams to play us on both ends. We're constantly moving on offense and that puts a lot of pressure on their defense to guard us. And then, they face the same or more pressure after a made shot and it takes a toll on the other team after 40 minutes.
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Bob wrote
He doesn't seem like he actively hates our fans.

Buzz was a little different.

I loved how he picked apart the longhorn defense for at least 3 EASY buckets off flex cuts and back screens. 3 uncontested layups in a sec game is monumental.

I'm a big fan of those kind of plays…prolly bc I've coached teams who struggled shooting, and I had to create as many easy opportunities around the rim as possible. Backscreens can be difficult to defend if you run them right.

Personally, I am very surprised how good we look defensively. I thought we would give up a lot of easy buckets at this level being so spread out full court.

I was wrong.

I'm also fairly shocked how good our defense is once we get jnto a half court situation. Teams have not been able to attack us early in the **** clock which I expected.

Just comes down to what many are saying…our guys are playing extremely hard to recover defensively after being spread out.

A very exciting point I believe is how good recruiting is going to be. Again, I was very surprised how many proven, older, quality players Bucky got for this year.

And that's without a proven track record at this level. Bucky's coaching style (very composed, not yelling at guys, encouraging guys to keep shooting) and this play style I think is going to be very attractive for high level guys…the kind of talented players Texas A&M has never been able to consistently recruit in basketball.

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Great list, Bob. I'd add an 11 after the TN game. His tu postgame press conference revealed how he processed the loss. It was incredible. He discussed how we made the right plays to win it, so the result was not life and death. We were exposed (again) in breaking a press ourselves and out rebounded by a bigger team. What happened between Tuesday and Saturday; he got buy-in to rebound better and made sure we handled Texas' press. Result: victory in a game we were underdogs.
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Free throws are no longer an adventure.

If I had been Buzz, after a couple of games, those guys would spent all the next practice just making FTs.
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You're the best
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Here's a tell tale sign- with 30 seconds left in a 20 point margin, our guys were still pressing them near midcourt, then falling back to their D and executing their rotations- it looked just like it did when the score was 18-15.

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Redfishag93 said:

...., Bucky's coaching style (very composed, not yelling at guys, encouraging guys to keep shooting) and this play style I think is going to be very attractive for high level guys…




Yeah.... I noticed there was a play right in front of our bench where our guy got really aggressive and definitely fouled.... and Bucky starts tearing into the ref "... what'd he do??...."
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Divining Rod said:

Here's a tell tale sign- with 30 seconds left in a 20 point margin, our guys were still pressing them near midcourt, then falling back to their D and executing their rotations- it looked just like it did when the score was 18-15.




Loved that. Was watching it with my son (8 year little hooper) and asked why we were pressing still. Was a good teachable moment. Nicky's got his guys running process consistently with positive results. Fun to watch.
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But Buzz said three point shooters are hard to find…what a fool.
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!...FIGHT! MAROON! & WHITE! WHITE! WHITE!
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Divining Rod said:

Here's a tell tale sign- with 30 seconds left in a 20 point margin, our guys were still pressing them near midcourt, then falling back to their D and executing their rotations- it looked just like it did when the score was 18-15.



That's right. My dad taught me, the hardest thing for a college basketball coach is to get your guys to play tenacious defense.
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bobinator said:

He gets players to buy into the team first, the way Isaacs and Griffen have been playing is great evidence of this. We are absolutely committed to a unique style of play that really challenges our opponents. We play incredibly hard. But then on top of that we have a truly modern offense. And Bucky is already showing that he can recruit to it and get players to buy into it.

I think that this is spot on.

Buckyball only works if we work harder than the other team. The willingness to work harder day in and day out requires a huge amount of buy-in from the players.

I think that the recent success could be attributed to the entire team fully buying in at this point, believing that hard work could lead to a deep run, where I am not sure that this sentiment was there for every single player at the beginning of the season.

I like how Pat Bradely talked about it at half time, when referencing "40 minutes of hell".

At some point, the other team hits the wall, hits a breaking point where they just can't give the same amount of effort as the Ags, and they know it, either consciously or unconsciously, and they try to skate by with less effort. When you have 10 quality guys that will bust their ass the entire game, getting to that breaking point is going to happen more often than if only 7 of your guys are "on the bus."

This team reminds me of BCG's teams, only, instead of focusing on resting on offense like BCG, Bucky just rotates guys out to keep the team fresh enough to play great defense.
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I'd be interested to hear from BuckyBall34 what it's like when Bucky plays teams a second time. Our first mirror opponent is Oklahoma and I wonder if it's going to be more like "okay we got them this time" or "****it not this crap again"
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Bucky McMillan is great at getting his players to put the team first, buy into a truly modern offense, and play incredibly hard in every game.
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Bucky said the half-court offense gets better as the season goes on, because our offense is based on what the defense gives them so it takes time.

Our half-court defense got way better than earlier in the season too.
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