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bobinator
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Fascinating team. Figured I'd start this thread a little early and people can share their thoughts when they watch them tonight against Tennessee.

Their season so far:

- We both annihilated Florida State
- Neither of us beat anyone worth really writing home about in non-conference, though their 19 point win over Cincinnati is better than any of our non-con wins. Their only loss was to Clemson in an overtime game.
- We both won close games against Auburn, though theirs was at home
- They dropped a home game at Ole Miss which is a pretty bad loss
- They also got hammered at Texas, and their game is another one that makes me think Texas is better when they're playing wide open basketball

Style notes:

- If we play at ludicrous speed they play at plaid. They're the second fastest team in the country and the fastest major conference team
- They're a very good offensive rebounding team but an absolutely terrible defensive one. Pretty fascinating split. They're #27 in ORB% and #308 in DRB%.
- They're a bad three point shooting team, but a very good two point shooting team most of the time
- They block a ton of shots. At 16.6% their block percentage is third in the country
- What's impressive is they block a lot of shots and force a lot of turnovers but they do it without fouling, their free throw rate is #44.

I like that they play Tennessee tonight because the Vols are probably the league team that's stylistically the most different from us. I don't love that they will probably get murdered on the boards tonight and then refocus on that for Saturday which is not something we're particularly strong at anyway.
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Get Cyril in foul trouble! Make them turn the ball over!
buckyball34
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One explanation for the discrepancy between ORB and DRB is that they just aren't a good rebounding team but for the opportunities created by missing a ton of 3PA. Long shots create longer rebounds.

That's one of the reasons why I think folks should lay off Agee shooting 3's a little. While I don't have much confidence he's going to make it, there is a greater chance it will result in an offensive rebound.
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i know nothing about UGA except their grey looking court looks like *****
bobinator
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Cyril seems to live in foul trouble.

I kinda think the X-factor for Georgia is Blue Cain, when he's good, they're good, and when he's bad, they're bad.

Wilkinson is their best player, averaging 18 a game and shooting 37% from 3, but he's pretty consistently good. He scored 32 and had 4 assists in their loss to Ole Miss, had 17 and 4 in their loss to Texas.
bobinator
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I think transition baskets have a lot to do with it too. When you turn a team over and get out in transition a lot of times you'll have a numbers advantage even if you miss the basket.

I don't really have a problem with Agee shooting threes, if Bucky thinks he can make them then he probably can, but I'm kind of the other way on the rebounding thing. If he's out there shooting it we're much less likely to get the offensive board because he's our best offensive rebounder.
Method Man
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Do they like to stuff the rock???
ObviousLazyRiverIsObvious
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- They block a ton of shots. At 16.6% their block percentage is third in the country


If they block a ton of shots, then we should focus on shooting lots of 3's. I hope Bucky can talk some guys into doing that on Saturday.


Note - isn't it great to have a team full of dudes who want to shoot the 3? Last year against Georgia we attempted 20 of them. A few days ago against SC, we attempted 39 of them.



Hey, Bucky ...



bobinator
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One thing I think Buzz kind of hit on is that blocks themselves are not a particularly significant stat because of how many blocked shots the offense gets back. How much we got blocked under Buzz was another factor into how insane our offensive rebounding numbers were.

To really be useful you almost need to separate out blocks into blocks that lead to defensive rebounds and blocks that lead to offensive rebounds.

I don't know that I've ever seen a coach talk about it but it seems like a trend in the game where teams care less about getting certain types of shots blocked.
Method Man
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A lot of blocks came from late shot clock drives that end up leaving you with 3 seconds to get a shot off.
ObviousLazyRiverIsObvious
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bobinator said:

One thing I think Buzz kind of hit on is that blocks themselves are not a particularly significant stat because of how many blocked shots the offense gets back. How much we got blocked under Buzz was another factor into how insane our offensive rebounding numbers were.

To really be useful you almost need to separate out blocks into blocks that lead to defensive rebounds and blocks that lead to offensive rebounds.

I don't know that I've ever seen a coach talk about it but it seems like a trend in the game where teams care less about getting certain types of shots blocked.


I don't know how much detail Buzz went into about blocked shots, but I'd push him on particular points. You mentioned some context for the blocked shots which are recovered by the defense vs offense. And that's important. But another thing that doesn't show up in the box score is how it changes the thinking of the offense. For example, if Wade Taylor or Jacari or Pop knows that so and so is in the lane waiting for a drive, they may think differently about the best shot available to the team for that possession. Or Bucky/Buzz may think differently about how to coach our guards. Our current team is so much better suited for dealing with shot blockers.

Another consideration is foul trouble. If our opponent has a famed shot blocker who is also prone to foul trouble, maybe Buzz or Bucky would say that we'll live with a few blocked shots as long as we are getting their shot blocker in foul trouble. On the other hand, if Bucky thinks he can tire out a shot blocker with our pace and have him playing with less energy by the second half, maybe you actually want to keep him in the game and so you don't particularly want him in foul trouble. In this case you are trying to exploit what the other coach perceives as a strength for his team. So many consequences follow from the decisions that coaches make. Some hidden and some not. It all factors in to the fine tuning of maximizing points per possession on offense and minimizing points per possession on defense.
bobinator
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Buzz would never actually talk this specifically about basketball in a press conference I imagine, but it's pretty clear from our numbers that we didn't care about getting shots blocked for whatever reason. We were an extreme outlier in this stat several years in a row.

But yeah, it definitely depends on the coach and what the goals are, I'm just pointing out that it's notable but I don't know that's its a particularly useful stat for anyone to look at on its own.

It's a bit like how Saban used to talk about sacks being an overrated stat compared to just overall pressures.
Complete Idiot
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Method Man said:

Do they like to stuff the rock???

um, it's slam dunk the rock
Complete Idiot
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Given our style of play I've looked at our opponent's rotations, how many players do they actually give real minutes to. If it's a team where 3 are getting 30 plus minutes and only 8 players getting real minutes, I think there can be a wear down factor to the matchup.

As you might expect from the fastest P4 team, Georgia's distribution of minutes is VERY similar to A&M's. Neither team has anyone averaging over 27 minutes a game, both teams have 6 players averaging between 20 and 27 minutes, both teams have another 5 players averaging between 10 and 20 minutes. We have a 12th player with observable contributions, Vinson, while Georgia is strictly 11 player rotation but other than that - VERY similar in this metric.

So that's interesting.

To me.
Complete Idiot
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One note: Mgbako is among our top 11 in minutes per played game, but obviously not available. Not aware of any Georgia injuries. So we may have 10 players between 10 and 27 minutes while Georgia has 11, but Vinson is taking steps to crack the 10 minutes per game average (currently just over 7 and climbing every game).
Emilio Fantastico
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ObviousLazyRiverIsObvious said:

- They block a ton of shots. At 16.6% their block percentage is third in the country


If they block a ton of shots, then we should focus on shooting lots of 3's. I hope Bucky can talk some guys into doing that on Saturday.


Note - isn't it great to have a team full of dudes who want to shoot the 3? Last year against Georgia we attempted 20 of them. A few days ago against SC, we attempted 39 of them.



Hey, Bucky ...





How many of those 20 did we make? Under Buzz, if we shot 20 3's, we usually made 5 or less.
When you can't make a 3, why try a 3.
bobinator
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Because we were bad at twos also.
ObviousLazyRiverIsObvious
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Emilio Fantastico said:

ObviousLazyRiverIsObvious said:

- They block a ton of shots. At 16.6% their block percentage is third in the country


If they block a ton of shots, then we should focus on shooting lots of 3's. I hope Bucky can talk some guys into doing that on Saturday.


Note - isn't it great to have a team full of dudes who want to shoot the 3? Last year against Georgia we attempted 20 of them. A few days ago against SC, we attempted 39 of them.



Hey, Bucky ...





How many of those 20 did we make? Under Buzz, if we shot 20 3's, we usually made 5 or less.
When you can't make a 3, why try a 3.


We made 6 !!! Our best deep threat on the day? Solo went 2-4 behind the arc. As expected. I mean, with Solo ... you can't stop him. You can only hope to contain him.

Now that we shoot 3's better, we aren't so limited in our offense. We get good looks from 3 point range. We get points in the paint. And we have guards who can drive and score.
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It's going to be an interesting game. Just purely from an aesthetics viewpoint l think the Ags are more fun to watch but Georgia has athletes . Effectiveness of our press is going to be something to watch. Our press tends to speed opponents up but in this case it will slow them down imo. Catchings and Millender will create problems imo.
Divining Rod
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Can't believe hiw much I'm missing Ag basketball after just a short mini-break.

Georgia strikes me as somewhat lazy. And their 3 point shooting is erratic. 1st half 6 of 12.

2nd half 3pts were terrible- something like 3/14, but most the misses weren't even close. And defensive rebounding bad as Bob predicted.

I wonder if GA is a team easily fatigued. Let's hope.
bobinator
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I don't think they're lazy and I definitely don't think they're easily fatigued, but I don't think they're a particularly smart team.
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