CyAg86 said:

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Solo was an atrocious offensive player, good that he followed Buzz. We are doing much better without them.

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He was not a good offensive player but he also played in a pretty limited offensive scheme. I think he would thrive under this coach but mainly as someone that would have helped us a ton in half court defense, be pretty lethal in the press and could really help with rebounds. I also remember him hitting threes every once in a while. Would at least shoot it as well as Agee.

I think Solo would have been great. Athleticism shows even more in a broken floor. I actually think an athletic rebounder and dunker is the missing piece.

With this game we're officially a better defensive team than offensive team. 35th in defensive efficiency and 37th in offensive efficiency. The only thing holding us back offensively is the inability to offensive rebound.

We're okay at offensive rebounding. I'd argue the thing holding us back is finishing around the basket. We have a pretty high percentage from two because we get a lot of good looks but we leave some points on the board around the rim most games.

Defensive efficiency is the huge surprise though. I figured our overall number would be respectable because we'd force a lot of turnovers but never dreamed we'd be this good.

Personally, I think what's holing us back is not being able to make a layup

Ok fair, you both hit finishing at the basket. I almost typed that as well. I just couldn't type it on a day that Marcus Hill Houdini'd like three buckets out of nowhere.

But yeah, I definitely would love to see a floater in the lane every once in awhile.

We make a few of the 4-5 gimmes we missed and Hill's Houdini moves wouldn't have been needed altho they were much appreciated . We do seem to miss a few really super easy buckets a game . Clemence is the poster boy. He has been pretty good overall but man when he blows it either offensively or defensively it sticks out like a sore thumb.

I'd be curious to see Solo in this offense, but I do think he'd play a similar role as Dibba and Holloway with an upside of being more like Marcus Hill level contributions from the Dibba role.

Garcia would have been super interesting to see in this style.

He should play a similar position to Dibba, but I don't know that he would. Dibba is proving you have to close out on him from 3 in a way you never would with Solo. Dibba often looks a step slow when putting the ball on the floor, but because of his shot he can put it on the floor and go by his defender. Solo isn't dribbling by anyone.
I don't agree he'd play similarly to Holloway unless you just mean top of the defense. His effort would go well with this style, but I'm not sure Bucky would ever want Hill, Solo and Agee on the floor together based on how he runs offense.

Garcia I totally agree with. He'd be a perfect fit, especially with the confidence he was gaining in his offensive game towards the end of his career.

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CyAg86 said:

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Solo was an atrocious offensive player, good that he followed Buzz. We are doing much better without them.

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He was not a good offensive player but he also played in a pretty limited offensive scheme. I think he would thrive under this coach but mainly as someone that would have helped us a ton in half court defense, be pretty lethal in the press and could really help with rebounds. I also remember him hitting threes every once in a while. Would at least shoot it as well as Agee.

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disagree on 3s. Bucky has mentioned many times Agee is a solid 3 point shooter in practice. Bucky is not a bs'er like buzz. I believe him.

I guess maybe solo would have developed into one with the right coaching

Imagine Andy on this team with the way he shot 3s at the end. He and Agee could trade mins an not skip a beat on rebounds and being able to guard bigger bodies

I like him but people on here are oddly fascinated with Andersson Garcia

No I mean I get why people like him but we're talking about a guy that averaged 6 and 6 his senior year. If we're taking players off last year's team the obvious choice is Payne.

If anything Garcia was too unselfish to the point of it almost being a problem.

bobinator said:

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No I mean I get why people like him but we're talking about a guy that averaged 6 and 6 his senior year. If we're taking players off last year's team the obvious choice is Payne.

If anything Garcia was too unselfish to the point of it almost being a problem.

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Agreed, that's why I think he'd have been so much more valuable in this system. All those games where he'd just be given 10 feet of space and dared to launch 3s and rarely would, only to come out and make 3-5 clutch 3s with 75% shooting nights towards season's end his last 2 years. Like many others under the buzz regime, his ceiling was lowered and confidence zapped. His only development was effort. I personally thought Andy had NBA type potential if he'd have been under the right coach early. If he'd have been coached up as a shooter and given the greenlight, who knows where he's at today. Instead, he was coached by a guy that made him the effort hero and limited his potential by essentially joking about him as a shooter in pressers etc. Man that used to drive me nuts. He especially would single out Andy as an all time effort guy and nothing more. Coaching malpractice. Andy had the build, effort, play above his size ability and clearly the shooting touch (when his confidence wasn't shot and on rare occasions) to be a legit 3 and D wing type guy at the next level. Instead, buzz gave him an artificially low ceiling and made him into a Frankenstein type player. Still insanely valuable, but a lot left on the table IMO.

And agreed, if we can just pluck any one player from last year to put on this roster, give me Payne.

I'd probably argue against some of this a little bit. You have to give Buzz credit for wanting Garcia in the first place when even some people on here were saying he was a scrub at Mississippi State.

It's like anything with the Buzz era, you have to give him a certain amount of credit but it still felt like there was more in there. But I don't recall Buzz ever benching or something for taking shots, it seemed like he had the green light, he just didn't use it all that often.

bobinator said:

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I'd probably argue against some of this a little bit. You have to give Buzz credit for wanting Garcia in the first place when even some people on here were saying he was a scrub at Mississippi State.

It's like anything with the Buzz era, you have to give him a certain amount of credit but it still felt like there was more in there. But I don't recall Buzz ever benching or something for taking shots, it seemed like he had the green light, he just didn't use it all that often.

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Maybe so. But, no doubt he'd not have had that same self doubt on the shooting front in this system. With so few shots and possessions under that last regime, the hesitation is understandable. It's so nice to not have to live and die by every shot selection anymore.

Every single player on roster has improved their career 3pt %
If solo stuck around here for two more years under Bucky he would absolutely thrive in this system

I don't know if Bucky could fix Solo's horrible body language and bad attitude. Solo gave up on way too many plays pouting to the refs making it 4 on 5.

Sterling82 said:

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I always thought Solo would be really good in this system primarily due to his athleticism and high motor. This coaching staff has gotten multiple players melded into this system over the course of this season. I expect they would have done the same with Solo.

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Half an offseason is not enough to make up for wasting 3 years of developing shot mechanics.

Bunk Moreland said:

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All I know is there isn't a single moment this year where I've thought "man if only we had Solo"

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Him being able to guard Ament at Tennessee would've been really nice. We had no one that could match up with him and it showed

Solo shooting 40% from the field and 24% from 3 this year. Still averaging 9 points and 9 rebounds. Feel kind of bad for the guy, going from a fun team to play on last year to whatever this mess is at Maryland this year - his final year. But it was his choice to go, so...

AggieCrew44 said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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All I know is there isn't a single moment this year where I've thought "man if only we had Solo"

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Him being able to guard Ament at Tennessee would've been really nice. We had no one that could match up with him and it showed

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Don't disagree yet I still didn't think of it because we should have won that matchup 5 different ways with the tools we had, we just didn't.

Exactly. We are undefeated in conference with solo

We wouldn't have had to hit the free throws to put that game away with solo. They would've been ran out of their own gym. A versatile defender like solo is the difference in us being a sweet 16 ceiling and a final four/natty contender

You guys are severely underrating how much Solo would foul those bigs for Tennessee, much less pick up other dumb fouls

His dumb fouls were normally in hep defense because of the amount of time we were scrambling in the half court defense.

Can we please quit going back and support what we have. This team is more exciting and fun than any buzz team. This couldn't have worked out any better. We are miles better with Bucky coaching and what players we are gonna have in the next few years will make you forget about those guys.

phatty26 said:

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Can we please quit going back and support what we have. This team is more exciting and fun than any buzz team. This couldn't have worked out any better. We are miles better with Bucky coaching and what players we are gonna have in the next few years will make you forget about those guys.

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