Yeah, they never showed a replay on that either. That's the one call that I was truly mad about. Took away our possession and bama makes a 3 right from it. The ref who was closest to the play called it out on bama very quickly so no clue how they reverse that without going to review.

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Yeah, they never showed a replay on that either. That's the one call that I was truly mad about. Took away our possession and bama makes a 3 right from it. The ref who was closest to the play called it out on bama very quickly so no clue how they reverse that without going to review.

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We would have challenged it if it wasn't obviously Bama's ball.

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Refs called an even game. Missed a bunch both ways.

Anyone's game. Bama had the final run.

Excellent job by the Ags.

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This.

Felt like we're the better "team", whereas Bama has a couple of next-level players that made some head-shaking shots. Came away last night very impressed with our team. Very capable of being a second weekend team.

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I'm with you. Having a guy like Hill or Dibba who can get to the rim on contested twos makes this team offensively dangerous.

We aren't a perfect team but, man, we are a few notches above what I expected.

Lane getting his 4th foul was my "underrated" big inflection point. Their offense opened up after that moment, to me.

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I can't stand when people cry about refs.

Play better.

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Crying about refs after every loss is annoying.

We didn't play well enough down the stretch so we lost

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Preach it brother.

God, don't you get tired of blaming the refs in EVERY sport? Of course you're getting calls both ways, but just accept it and move on. And it's just not us. Go on any teams board and you'll hear the same thing. Were there bad calls? Yep. Move on. Complaining gets you no where.

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Hambone31 said:

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Yeah, they never showed a replay on that either. That's the one call that I was truly mad about. Took away our possession and bama makes a 3 right from it. The ref who was closest to the play called it out on bama very quickly so no clue how they reverse that without going to review.

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We would have challenged it if it wasn't obviously Bama's ball.

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There wasn't time for our coaches to review it. They flipped the call and handed to Bama and the ball got inbounded right away. Home cooking on that one too.

Bucky talked about this in the postgame and said they thought they got the call right.

Mechanics might have been a little wonky but he thought they ultimately got the call right.

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Hambone31 said:

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Yeah, they never showed a replay on that either. That's the one call that I was truly mad about. Took away our possession and bama makes a 3 right from it. The ref who was closest to the play called it out on bama very quickly so no clue how they reverse that without going to review.

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We would have challenged it if it wasn't obviously Bama's ball.

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There wasn't time for our coaches to review it. They flipped the call and handed to Bama and the ball got inbounded right away. Home cooking on that one too.

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no it wasnt. Sometimes your team just loses a game.

Bama players are good players and know how to draw fouls. It isn't bad officiating, it is part of the game at all levels. You have to overcome that kind of thing to win on the road. We didn't, but we damn near did.

Last night was an incredible effort, and I get saying this might feel a bit old as we push through the season... hard to imagine we are even at this point with this squad.

Bucky is pretty impressive; he can zoom out of the weeds to see the big picture really well, but can still call out the weeds individually. We scored 97, had only 6 turnovers, outscored them in the paint, outshot them percentage wise both inside and outside, etc. We missed a handful of looks in the first and second half we typically don't around the rim. All but 1 were great looks from what I recall, just poorly executed. Dibba and Holloway seemed tentative, Isaacs had his mindset of "i'm going to prove I'm the best" instead of just playing and the result speaking for itself - which has happened less and less as the season has gone on for him. He reverted back a little to trying to maximize his minutes instead of letting it flow to him. I don't blame him in that; hard to not want to be a statement player and understand you don't force it to accomplish it.

At this point in our SEC MBB journey, getting a well ref'd game should be the surprise. Whether it's lopsided, inconsistent, or controlling - we should basically expect that as fans at this point. For the most part, our guys seemed a lot better mentally with it than their guys. Doesn't mean its fun, but outside of a serious overhaul in ref development league wide, it isn't going to change.

We had an opportunity with the fouls in the first 10 of the second half to get a pretty large lead, but we never really went on one of our big runs this game. Usually caused by giving up an open 3 in a secondary break from a forced offensive look on our end. I think that's really the first team since OK state that has done that to us. And they shot way better than OK state and still only won by 3. They caught us flat footed a few times, which I have a feeling will benefit us well with Bucky.

Ok this obtuse guy will explain some stuff and hopefully we can move on

First off I am an Aggie fan and realize refs miss and make mistakes all the time likelwise when i ref as well whatever sport it is I hope to explain all of the following that has been brought up and we can move on to the next game which I am sure the staff has and will get the players ready for Saturday

We (another official and I as well) were at a bar watching the game so no real sound from the commentators but can gleem a lot of info regardless

1. There is no "Over the Back"
There is a player who gains position on the rebound and IF they are displaced by contact OR impeded by the contact from being able to get the rebound then a foul can be called dependant on the severity of the contact. Officials tend NOT to call contact that doesnt affect the play meaning the inside man gets possession and isnt affected by the contact to not contiue a basketball play. This is college ball and contact is going to happen and some more powerful contact then HS and before that MS ball . Two 6'9'' guys will have contact, it is going to happen. If they get displaced and travel or lose control of the possesion of the ball a foul can and likely should be called.

2. Hook and Hold
Usually but not always a hook and hold occurs by the defender not the offense but isnt always the case
However in this play it was clear Pop (who was frustrated by the previous play) was very aggessive and fouled the Bama player before any hook and hold could have occurred. If not for that and the refs had looked for hook and hold via a challenge or they actually see it then they could have called it but once again usually the defense or during a rebound not in open court

3. Baseline scoop shot

I believe it was Hill played great fundamental defense and used the baseline as an extra defender so to speak. It was fundamentally sound defense up until the Bama player went baseline and Hill stuck out knee outside of his legal guarding position. Had he stayed within his framework the baseline became a great extra defender and a wayward shot occurs. Once he stuck the knee out that was the foul and we are taught to look for those things. We didnt bail the Bama player out, the knee did AND he made an unbelieveable shot and got the free throw

4. Technical on Oats
NCAA does it slightly different then HS. If the Tecnical fouls occurs during the same sequence then you shoot the tech then revert back to "point of interruption" which would be the foul and subsequent free throws which is why there were defenders at the free throw as play resumes. In HS it would have been four shots (two for foul, two for technical then ball at mid court for the Aggies

5. Tie up in back court
The clock said 15.2 then BEFORE the play began reverted to 15.0. This was likely done either by calling front office (ironically in Birmingham) or by the refs. No way the timer subtracts time without the officiating crew's approval). SEC officials wear Precision Time which stops the clock with the actual whistle which is coordinated prior to the game. If you are there Saturday live you will see them do this prior to the game by them blowing whistle during warm ups.

At 5.1 seconds an alternate possession occurred. Tough call on the .1 obviously. Ironically if this has been not in the final minute of the game where the clocks dont show tenths of a second it is likely a backcourt violation as the shot clock would show 20 instead of somethink like 20.1

Alternate possession restarts the 10 second call. If we hadnt tied it up then we get the ball more than likely. tough play because we are doing exactly what we have been taught to do and just didnt work

6. Reversal of baseline out of bounds.
This happens when deflections are not seen by the official whose primary responsibility is the baseline in this case the lead official and another official steps forward to help out OR sometimes when the official just accidentially points the worng direction which can happen usually once or twice a game where help is provided or wrong direction is shown. While we never saw a replay based on TV production I can guarentee that we were given time to challenge is we shoose to do. We didnt and while it seemed fast that was more TV production then anything. Bucky may have asked his player similar to Jamie Morrison in VB before a challenge to which we dont get to see unless TV provides that angle. Oats challenege earlier in game was because his guy was adamant that he was correct so Oats challeneged unsuccessfully. We chose not to when we had one.

7. As for posssession arrow issue I think someone mentioned in another thread the arrow was Bama's and TV and announcers had it TAMU

Hope this helps

An obtuse fan (and ref)

I think people are saying "hook and hold" and not meaning the actual foul for hook and hold. The offensive player shouldn't have been called for a foul, but the offensive player did CAUSE the foul. But that's just good basketball. Pop reached in, defender saw the opportunity, and moved his arms into Isaacs'.

Not any different than what Griffen did to draw the foul when he shot three free throws. It's just smart basketball.

The officiating in this game was mostly fine. Officiating a team that plays full court defense in a game with almost 80 possessions is incredibly hard. Only thing I didn't like was the change from half to half.

I think the refs got together at halftime and felt like the game was going to get a little chippy and decided to tighten up the contact off the ball, but it's not like either team drastically changed their game plan yet the second half had three times as many fouls as the first.

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Rebounding was the difference.

Bama was plus 8 in offensive rebounding.

That is 6 points using the 45% field goal percentage.

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Bingo. We gave up a ton of second chance points. That and Dominguez not making a basket all game.

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I think people are saying "hook and hold" and not meaning the actual foul for hook and hold. The offensive player shouldn't have been called for a foul, but the offensive player did CAUSE the foul. But that's just good basketball. Pop reached in, defender saw the opportunity, and moved his arms into Isaacs'.

Not any different than what Griffen did to draw the foul when he shot three free throws. It's just smart basketball.

The officiating in this game was mostly fine. Officiating a team that plays full court defense in a game with almost 80 possessions is incredibly hard. Only thing I didn't like was the change from half to half.

I think the refs got together at halftime and felt like the game was going to get a little chippy and decided to tighten up the contact off the ball, but it's not like either team drastically changed their game plan yet the second half had three times as many fouls as the first.

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It also can be that the teams played more aggressive since no one was in foul trouble as well They called it early and dit took a while for Bama to change because they got into foul traouble REALLY early we just didnt capitalize on that as much as we could

I like the way all other games are played with quarters and resets of fouls. You can control the foul count more in those games vs the men's game both as a coach and official crew

If it gets aggressive you can call fouls and it resets after a third quarter but no in the men;s game

That was part of it, especially late, and I tend to give officials the benefit of the doubt usually, but just watch the first half and then the first few possessions of the second half.

Alabama got called for like three fouls on two possessions after getting three fouls the entire first half. There was clearly an intention to tighten the game up to prevent it from getting chippy or whatever going on.

Not saying that's bad, some of the off ball and under the basket contact in the first half was pretty ridiculous both ways, it just annoys me because you might have a guy suddenly get into foul trouble because the refs decided to change the way they were officiating the game.

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Speaking of bounce, the first 30 minutes of the game, every 50/50 ball went to Bama. The type Im talking about aren't the effort 50/50, just the weird bounce ones. We had 3 or 4 steals in the first 10 minutes that just bounced the wrong way and fell into their arms.

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Yeah I noticed that too.

I also noticed they had some 3s go halfway in and roll around out.

We missed more FTs than usual but we were 51-54 in our last 3 games coming in. At some point you revert to the mean.

Giving them open looks on the wings was a killer but they ended up shooting below average from 3. We shot above but missed 2 open looks late.

Little things.

This game certainly could've gone either way and it probably came down to their guards doing a great job taking care of the ball.

Not certain if anyone else remembers this moment but it stuck out to me. I think we got away with a travel in the second half when one of our players (dibba?) jumped twice driving to the basket. Looked really weird at least.

As a fellow official and occasional college shot clock operator, you did a great summary except on one issue. On the alternate possession arrow situation, the officials likely ruled that A&M gained possession of the ball and then Bama tied them up. In college, the 10 second count is never reset unless there is a change of possession or foul by the defense. They go off the shot clock for determine the violation so if it gets to 20, it is a violation. If they ruled Bama had the ball the entire time, they would have had only 0.1 to have the ball possessed in the front court.

For the record, I thought we had gained possession and was all excited before it was tied up.

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Howdy Bob; glad to see post. Tide gonna be hard to beat with th big center. Reminds me of LSU with Shaq. Aggies played good game and cudda won it. Hope 2 see next game w/ Tide.

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Howdy Bob; glad to see post. Tide gonna be hard to beat with th big center. Reminds me of LSU with Shaq. Aggies played good game and cudda won it. Hope 2 see next game w/ Tide.

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Are you a bot?

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As a fellow official and occasional college shot clock operator, you did a great summary except on one issue. On the alternate possession arrow situation, the officials likely ruled that A&M gained possession of the ball and then Bama tied them up. In college, the 10 second count is never reset unless there is a change of possession or foul by the defense. They go off the shot clock for determine the violation so if it gets to 20, it is a violation. If they ruled Bama had the ball the entire time, they would have had only 0.1 to have the ball possessed in the front court.

For the record, I thought we had gained possession and was all excited before it was tied up.

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Bobinator showed difference in Mens vs Womens game at NCAA level

Time out resets the 10 in Mens doesnt in Womens

The official play by play has no jump ball but team time out for Bama

The actual official PbP feed does have the jump ball. For some reason the ESPN PBP feed doesn't.

Second half now on SEC Network will be curious to hear commentators since didnt get to yesterday

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The actual official PbP feed does have the jump ball. For some reason the ESPN PBP feed doesn't.

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I was going by the one on 12th man site

regardless in Mens the time out resets will be watching that last part again

I stand corrected on that part as well although I did think we gained possession first. I haven't had that situation in any game I have run shot clock for. In HS, of course any inbound play resets the 10 second count.

On the out of bounds call, live I thought the out of bounds was on us. I was hoping they didn't change it but knew once the C came into discuss, he would have been 100% certain it was on us since it wasn't his line to call so I expected the overturn. I was surprised they didn't go to official initiated review since I think it was inside the point where they can initiate that. I am sure Bucky thought live and/or through player discussions it was off us so he didn't want to waste a timeout.

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I stand corrected on that part as well although I did think we gained possession first. I haven't had that situation in any game I have run shot clock for. In HS, of course any inbound play resets the 10 second count.

On the out of bounds call, live I thought the out of bounds was on us. I was hoping they didn't change it but knew once the C came into discuss, he would have been 100% certain it was on us since it wasn't his line to call so I expected the overturn. I was surprised they didn't go to official initiated review since I think it was inside the point where they can initiate that. I am sure Bucky thought live and/or through player discussions it was off us so he didn't want to waste a timeout.

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I didnt know if that was under the final two mins or not

But i assumed once C came in that the call was corrected and when we didnt challenge it was though to be the correct call with overturn

Yeah I'm assuming whatever backend data is being pulled in is the same as the ESPN feed but it's incomplete in this case. The official feed on StatBroadcast has it right.

It's an important distinction because the officials awarding Alabama a timeout there would have been an awful call.

https://dxbhsrqyrr690.cloudfront.net/sidearm.nextgen.sites/tamu.sidearmsports.com/stats/mbball/2025/pdf/20260204084712-2703967.pdf

the one on 12th man site for box score doesnt have the held ball

Held ball then time out according to this replay I am watching

they clearly changed the time from 15.2 to 15.0 before the Bama possession started

tough .1 difference