You can be unimpressed if you want, I just think it's silly that coach of the year has to always go to whoever "did the most with the least."

Sometimes doing a lot with a lot is just as impressive. This was, by the metrics, the best top to bottom league in the country and Florida just basically throat punched everyone.

Mark Pope supposedly has a $22M roster which includes one of Florida's players from last season and they kinda suck.

I said that it's silly that it "always" has to go to whoever did the most with the least. I also think Bucky is a perfectly good choice this year as well. I can just also see the case for Golden. Obviously so could the other coaches since that's who won it.

What does what Golden did in 2023 have to do with what he did this year?

And it's definitely not "correct" that Bucky was the coach of the year because Golden was, factually, voted coach of the year by the coaches. Though I suspect the media would vote Bucky.

Like in the Big Ten the media voted for Hoiberg, but I imagine May will win the coaches vote.

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I said that it's silly that it "always" has to go to whoever did the most with the least. I also think Bucky is a perfectly good choice this year as well. I can just also see the case for Golden. Obviously so could the other coaches since that's who won it.

What does what Golden did in 2023 have to do with what he did this year?

And it's definitely not "correct" that Bucky was the coach of the year because Golden was, factually, voted coach of the year by the coaches. Though I suspect the media would vote Bucky.

Like in the Big Ten the media voted for Hoiberg, but I imagine May will win the coaches vote.

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It proves he couldn't get to 11-7 in Yr1 as an SEC coach, with an arguable better situation inherited.

Yes, it's definitely true Golden would not have done what Bucky did. You can argue as much as you want. History is staring you in the face.

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Yeah and I think Golden is a perfectly good choice. Preseason expectations aside, it's not like they're returning their entire team that won the title last year.
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They had one of the mist dominant front courts returning, then they added two great guards- 5 star erstwhile lottery pick Boogie Fland from Arkansas [13 ppg] and two-time All-Ivy league guard Xavian Lee [17ppg].

Color me unimpressed.

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Who gets credit for that if not the coach?

And being picked for preseason conference champs does not and should not eliminate you from coach of the year awards.

Just because he didn't do it one time doesn't mean he could never do it. I don't know Florida's NIL situation after Mike White, or any of the things you'd need to know to make a real apples to apples comparison.

But again, even if we just assume that's true, Bucky isn't competing against 2023 Todd Golden anyway.

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Just because he didn't do it one time doesn't mean he could never do it. I don't know Florida's NIL situation after Mike White, or any of the things you'd need to know to make a real apples to apples comparison.

But again, even if we just assume that's true, Bucky isn't competing against 2023 Todd Golden anyway.

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And 2026 Bucky overachieved while 2026 Golden achieved.

Case closed.

If that's your opinion it's fine, I get that argument too, I'm not arguing the job Golden did was better than Bucky. If I had a vote I'd probably vote for Bucky also.

I just think it's wild to think that whoever is the preseason favorite, especially in this transfer portal era where who knows how good anyone is in preseason, just automatically can't win coach of the year.

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If that's your opinion it's fine, I get that argument too, I'm not arguing the job Golden did was better than Bucky. If I had a vote I'd probably vote for Bucky also.

I just think it's wild to think that whoever is the preseason favorite, especially in this transfer portal era where who knows how good anyone is in preseason, just automatically can't win coach of the year.

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It's not that they automatically can't win. Literally nobody is saying that. You are implying that for sake of argument.

But when there's a choice who overcame incredible odds very few have had to deal with, much less succeeded at, then the one who overachieved should win. Had A&M finished 11th and outside looking in, nobody would be arguing for Bucky.

Your post literally says "while 2026 Golden achieved. Case closed."

That seems to say that the best the preseason favorite can do is achieve, and therefore would be behind ANY coach that overachieved, no? I don't think that's an illogical conclusion to draw from that.

What he did this year was amazing. I do have my overall concerns in recruiting. He may have the same issue as Buzz did. That is recruiting blue chip players to play in his system. In reality, the talented players don't want to work or hustle that hard. Its what hurt Buzz, and I believe it will hurt Bucky. Boy do I hope i'm wrong. It may also be a situation where we really only need second tier guys that can shoot and play his style of ball.

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Your post literally says "while 2026 Golden achieved. Case closed."

That seems to say that the best the preseason favorite can do is achieve, and therefore would be behind ANY coach that overachieved, no? I don't think that's an illogical conclusion to draw from that.

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You're arguing to argue. Parsing words.

Here, let me remind you of your post I responded to.

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You can be unimpressed if you want, I just think it's silly that coach of the year has to always go to whoever "did the most with the least."

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Nobody said that. You said that. Only you. You created a condition in your head and applied it to the reasoning of everyone else's argument. Have the last word if you want. The floor is yours.

Thank you for the floor. Some other posts on this thread.

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The Coach of the Year should be the coach who did more with less! This year Bucky should be the winner!

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Were they a preseason pick to win the conference? YES

Did they win the conference? YES

So what did Golden do to enhance this? They did what they were supposed to do.

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Screw Golden, with height and talent like that Stevie Wonder could have coached that team to the tournament. hope we get to play them in the SEC tourney again.

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Very simple. He has done more with less. End of story.

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I'll cede the floor back. Thank you for your time.

Pros, Cons, Constructive Arguments, Cross Examination, Rebuttal & Conclusion. This thread has all the components of a debate. Posters will have to agree to disagree, but it sure was fun to read.

As an example, I know he's a shorter guard but Josh Hubbard is a is a high level player who would fit the offensive action of Buckyball and his folks would love the Brazos Valley. Yes taller guards are preferred, but there aren't any 6'5" guards who can shoot from the perimeter like he can. If he becomes available in the portal, he may not be out of reach because he fits the system and probably understands that.

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Thank you for the floor. Some other posts on this thread.

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The Coach of the Year should be the coach who did more with less! This year Bucky should be the winner!

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Were they a preseason pick to win the conference? YES

Did they win the conference? YES

So what did Golden do to enhance this? They did what they were supposed to do.

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Screw Golden, with height and talent like that Stevie Wonder could have coached that team to the tournament. hope we get to play them in the SEC tourney again.

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Very simple. He has done more with less. End of story.

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I'll cede the floor back. Thank you for your time.

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Again, nobody said that in a vacuum. They are comparing Golden doing what he was supposed to do (win the conference with an absolutely loaded roster) vs a coach who VASTLY OUTPERFORMED ANY EXPECTATIONS IN HIS FIRST YEAR AT A P4 SCHOOL.

Again, for the slow guy in the back..

Had Bucky not done what he did, nobody would be arguing against Golden.

But he did. And he's easily more deserving. Especially when considering how bad Golden did in his first year at Florida with a far better situation inherited.

You said "nobody said that" and claimed I'm "arguing to argue" and "parsing words."

You then quote me saying "I just think it's silly...." and say that nobody said that, when several people said EXACTLY that. And now you're adding context to posts that did not have it to try and say that's not really what they meant.

Just to pick one of the four, the first quote is from cs69ag who literally says, this is the entire post:

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So that's it. He doesn't say "the coach of the year should USUALLY be the coach who did more with less. He doesn't say "if there's a coach that did more with less I would tend to favor them over a coach who didn't but sometimes I could see the case for the coach who had high expectations." It says "the coach of the year should be the coach who did more with less."

The exact thing you said that nobody said.

I mean this is completely off the rails now, so I'm not going to keep this going, especially since I agree with the big idea that Bucky could just as easily have been coach of the year. But I don't care for being accused of making stuff up when several people said varying versions of exactly that.

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Thank you for the floor. Some other posts on this thread.

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The Coach of the Year should be the coach who did more with less! This year Bucky should be the winner!

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Were they a preseason pick to win the conference? YES

Did they win the conference? YES

So what did Golden do to enhance this? They did what they were supposed to do.

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Screw Golden, with height and talent like that Stevie Wonder could have coached that team to the tournament. hope we get to play them in the SEC tourney again.

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Very simple. He has done more with less. End of story.

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I'll cede the floor back. Thank you for your time.

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Again, nobody said that in a vacuum. They are comparing Golden doing what he was supposed to do (win the conference with an absolutely loaded roster) vs a coach who VASTLY OUTPERFORMED ANY EXPECTATIONS IN HIS FIRST YEAR AT A P4 SCHOOL.

Again, for the slow guy in the back..

Had Bucky not done what he did, nobody would be arguing against Golden.

But he did. And he's easily more deserving. Especially when considering how bad Golden did in his first year at Florida with a far better situation inherited.

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This is laughable. You are digging a hole and can't get out. Bobinator is one of the most informed posters on this board. He knows what he is talking about. If you want to go after one of the casuals, fine. But you are barking up the wrong tree.

Let it go.

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Thank you for the floor. Some other posts on this thread.

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The Coach of the Year should be the coach who did more with less! This year Bucky should be the winner!

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Were they a preseason pick to win the conference? YES

Did they win the conference? YES

So what did Golden do to enhance this? They did what they were supposed to do.

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Screw Golden, with height and talent like that Stevie Wonder could have coached that team to the tournament. hope we get to play them in the SEC tourney again.

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Very simple. He has done more with less. End of story.

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I'll cede the floor back. Thank you for your time.

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Again, nobody said that in a vacuum. They are comparing Golden doing what he was supposed to do (win the conference with an absolutely loaded roster) vs a coach who VASTLY OUTPERFORMED ANY EXPECTATIONS IN HIS FIRST YEAR AT A P4 SCHOOL.

Again, for the slow guy in the back..

Had Bucky not done what he did, nobody would be arguing against Golden.

But he did. And he's easily more deserving. Especially when considering how bad Golden did in his first year at Florida with a far better situation inherited.

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This is laughable. You are digging a hole and can't get out. Bobinator is one of the most informed posters on this board. He knows what he is talking about. If you want to go after one of the casuals, fine. But you are barking up the wrong tree.

Let it go.

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I know who Bobinator is. He's very informed. That's meaningless to this discussion. My original point stands. Bucky was more deserving for coach of the year. Not because the Florida coach didn't also do something great. But because Bucky did something extremely rare in college basketball.. something the Florida coach couldn't do when given the same chance a couple of years ago.

Not sure what hole you think I'm digging. Try refuting the point.

If you are fighting this hard, why argue with you? You are never going to change your mind and you are not even open to the idea.

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If you are fighting this hard, why argue with you? You are never going to change your mind and you are not even open to the idea.

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It's a message board. Make your case. If it's good, it will be considered.

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I said that it's silly that it "always" has to go to whoever did the most with the least. I also think Bucky is a perfectly good choice this year as well. I can just also see the case for Golden. Obviously so could the other coaches since that's who won it.

What does what Golden did in 2023 have to do with what he did this year?

And it's definitely not "correct" that Bucky was the coach of the year because Golden was, factually, voted coach of the year by the coaches. Though I suspect the media would vote Bucky.

Like in the Big Ten the media voted for Hoiberg, but I imagine May will win the coaches vote.

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As I learned in college and could, NOTHING is NEVER "NEVER" or "ALWAYS."

I could argue til the cows came home to get it overturned.

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If you are fighting this hard, why argue with you? You are never going to change your mind and you are not even open to the idea.

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It's a message board. Make your case. If it's good, it will be considered.

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I had my two posts on the first page. But this has already been decided. Not worth discussing anymore.

If I had a vote today, I'd probably vote for Sean Miller for SEC Coach of the year.