Last 4 Byes this morning

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Divining Rod
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REALLY want a 10 seed. Feeling better about matchup with the latest 2s i saw.

I'm afraid we might play ourselves into a 9. maybe win one game.
Sq 17
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Method Man said:

Sq 17 said:

GoodAg Paulie said:

We won 11 conf games in the SEC......we will not be a bubble or playin team. The Kentucky win sealed our ticket IMO.


The win at LSU was almost as important drop either game we are on the 10-11 line

We should've dropped it then.


Iirc there was a poster or two that put forth that idea The consensus was It might put us at risk of falling to 9-10 and a loss on day one ( like tu just took ) could push us dangerously close to Dayton or NIT
EliteZags
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just gotta count on the committees propensity to (unbiased)drastically underseed us
EliteZags
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texas likely backing into the Dayton 11, don't think they'd give us bye+2 seeds higher we're still neck n neck in NET, maybe that loss ends up net positive for us

I say rest starters
OKC~Ag
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we will be 9th seed regardless of SEC t outcome...just accept our 9th seed fate
DTP02
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EliteZags said:

texas likely backing into the Dayton 11, don't think they'd give us bye+2 seeds higher we're still neck n neck in NET, maybe that loss ends up net positive for us

I say rest starters


We can argue what would be better for us all we want, but Bucky is 100% going to Nashville to win. He wants to win the whole thing and let the chips fall where they may. He's wanted to play in the SEC tourney for many years and is fired up about it.
Adam87inSA
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Yeah there is no way in hell that Bucky is resting starters unless the game is totally out of hand after the final media timeout
Adam87inSA
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By the way, Torvik has us as the last 9 seed today and at the top of the last four byes. How is that possible? It's because Miami OH and Utah State are 10 seeds (as projected conference tournament champs).

And Miami OH is in danger in final minute v UMass right now
bobinator
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Torvik's projections are just pure numbers. It's why they start to fall apart a little near the selection.
Adam87inSA
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Miami Ohio loses.

If they make it to Dayton, the bubble just got tighter. A couple more bid stealers and we could see a couple of 10 seeds sent to Dayton
Adam87inSA
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bobinator said:

Torvik's projections are just pure numbers. It's why they start to fall apart a little near the selection.
Are you looking at his T-Ranketology?

And aren't the other 100 or so methodologies "just numbers"?
bobinator
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What I mean is it's not him looking at the data and making predictions, it's just a straight mathematical model.

Most everyone else is a human making predictions of what the committee will do and they're considering some less defined factors other than just raw data.
Adam87inSA
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Who's better?
bobinator
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According the BracketMatrix rankings the best is https://www.bracketometry.com

But the full rankings are at www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html if you want to check out a few different ones.

ColleyvilleAg is about as good as any of them though.
Serious Lee
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hah - espn (lunardi) is ranked 125 out of 186.
bobinator
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I been saying
Emilio Fantastico
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Thanks for looking that up. I was curious about that with all the conversation on here about how bad he is.
NyAggie
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EliteZags said:

just gotta count on the committees propensity to (unbiased)drastically underseed us


They'll overseer us to an 8 just because that will make things harder for us lol
NyAggie
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Serious Lee said:

hah - espn (lunardi) is ranked 125 out of 186.


Lunardi just gets all the attention because he's espn's bracket guy and most college basketball games are on one if the espn owned stations
Adam87inSA
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Thanks.

That ranking shows that T-Ranketology is middle of the pack on a five year average performance basis, but is rapidly improving. It was better than average for 2024 and significantly better in 2025.

What I like about that site is that he is updating more than once a day here lately.
Dobro Turtlebane
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Adam87inSA said:

Thanks.

That ranking shows that T-Ranketology is middle of the pack on a five year average performance basis, but is rapidly improving. It was better than average for 2024 and significantly better in 2025.

What I like about that site is that he is updating more than once a day here lately.


Torvik's model is not just Bayesian in season, it's Bayesian over multiple seasons. He feeds the Beta-distribution errors of his model back into the model every year, so the errors become part of next year's model. It's kinda a low-level analog to how AI learns over time by looking at the statistical errors of its own statistical guesses.

In an infinite time period, his model would eventually become perfect statistically. But obviously there will always be upsets, human errors, biases (ESPN hates us!!1!), etc.

It's fascinating as a predictive tool, but it's not designed to be as descriptive. It's the same argument some poster (wacarnolds maybe?) used to have about the RPI vs the shiny new KenPom. KenPom rankings are a predictive model, they don't necessarily translate to the best actual results teams
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