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Common sense age restrictions (with waiver process- ex) Mormon mission, military service, etc) and caps on percentage of foreign players mirroring more closely that of the student body, would make a ton of sense.

Title 9 already works that way for mens/womens sports. Just need Congress to get involved. Unfortunately, they suck.... along with the NCAA. So I wouldn't count on anything happening.
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Tobias Funke said:

TjgtAg08 said:

Method Man said:

TjgtAg08 said:

Method Man said:

The ncaa should limit the number of foreign players on every team. They won't of course.


That would be insane and illegal.

But, maybe there could be limitations placed on former professionals. Maybe only 1 per roster and/or limit them to only 1-2 years of eligibility.


Why would it be insane? Legality can be changed. I've thought this for years since my kids play tennis and about 65% of female college tennis players are foreign born. How would it look if every college athlete in a conference was foreign born? Not that it would happen but that it could is ridiculous.


It would be insane because it would be extremely discriminatory, hateful and illegal. Why do you care about the number of foreign-born athletes in a given college sport? Are American-born athletes somehow more entitled to a spot on a college program than those born outside the US?

Thats just a WILD thing to say. If American college athletes don't like their spots being taken by foreign athletes, then freaking work harder and get better. As long as we aren't talking about professional vs non-professional, what your saying is just down right ignorant.

And "legality can change?" Jesus man. Sure, I guess it can. We can also change laws to limit athletes of a certain skin color or religious beliefs as well.


Sometimes this website gives me unexpected hope, and the roasting you're receiving for this garbage is a wonderful example.

If any post ever deserved the crying ballgag emoji, it's that one.
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Method Man said:

Hateful? How dumb.

Also, many of the guys I'm talking about are the same race.

Imagine any other country's citizens losing their minds at capping the number of foreign participants in their national sports associations. Insane response. Thanks for the laugh.


How about a compromise. Only foreigners allowed to make pregame layup line passes.
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LMAO. LOCK THREAD!
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Method Man said:

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Yeah, i dont care where the players come from. There's no longer any illusion that college sports is anything other than semi pro ball…

and euro ball is full pro ball. Again, downstream effects is actual amateur players losing scholarships so pro players can come over and take spots. At some point, it should be capped. Not zero of course.

And, no, I don't care if our nearly our whole roster is euro. I don't like it how it's set up but I'm not dumb enough to not play within the rules set forth as is.

Isn't a scholarship somewhat meaningless when you're making solid 6 figures in NIL money for the couple of years (if that) you actually play in one place?
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Aston04 said:

TjgtAg08 said:

Method Man said:

TjgtAg08 said:

Method Man said:

The ncaa should limit the number of foreign players on every team. They won't of course.


That would be insane and illegal.

But, maybe there could be limitations placed on former professionals. Maybe only 1 per roster and/or limit them to only 1-2 years of eligibility.


Why would it be insane? Legality can be changed. I've thought this for years since my kids play tennis and about 65% of female college tennis players are foreign born. How would it look if every college athlete in a conference was foreign born? Not that it would happen but that it could is ridiculous.


It would be insane because it would be extremely discriminatory, hateful and illegal. Why do you care about the number of foreign-born athletes in a given college sport? Are American-born athletes somehow more entitled to a spot on a college program than those born outside the US?

Thats just a WILD thing to say. If American college athletes don't like their spots being taken by foreign athletes, then freaking work harder and get better. As long as we aren't talking about professional vs non-professional, what your saying is just down right ignorant.

And "legality can change?" Jesus man. Sure, I guess it can. We can also change laws to limit athletes of a certain skin color or religious beliefs as well.

You are being over dramatic.

Other countries often limit how many foreigners can be on their pro teams. And these countries have nothing like the opportunity of college sports. USA is just too stupid to realize we are developing foreign talent without reciprocity.

Just for example, I live in Missouri. Zero players on the mens Missouri State soccer team are from usa. ZERO. Of 26. Dumb as hell.

While perhaps I understand the emotional intent, I don't understand the logic behind TjgtAg08's reply. For example, Missouri State is a public college that - like all public colleges - was formed to educate, at least primarily, residents of the state it is in. Missouri State, and other public universities, are funded by state coffers, federal and state grants, the student's tuitions, and private donations. Despite their original charter, and funding, their entire soccer team is not only from out of the state but out of the USA? I feel like this does deny opportunity for the community these schools were designed to provide for. And why? To win more at a sport? Is the school's purpose to win sports, or provide foreigners opportunity to immigrate to the US? It does seem odd to me. I get it completely for professional sports because their sole purpose IS to win and to make money for an owner, the owner being a private individual and not the public (state and federal). But a public university?
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You're literally hitler
Method Man
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CactusThomas said:

You're literally hitler

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Complete Idiot said:

Aston04 said:

TjgtAg08 said:

Method Man said:

TjgtAg08 said:

Method Man said:

The ncaa should limit the number of foreign players on every team. They won't of course.


That would be insane and illegal.

But, maybe there could be limitations placed on former professionals. Maybe only 1 per roster and/or limit them to only 1-2 years of eligibility.


Why would it be insane? Legality can be changed. I've thought this for years since my kids play tennis and about 65% of female college tennis players are foreign born. How would it look if every college athlete in a conference was foreign born? Not that it would happen but that it could is ridiculous.


It would be insane because it would be extremely discriminatory, hateful and illegal. Why do you care about the number of foreign-born athletes in a given college sport? Are American-born athletes somehow more entitled to a spot on a college program than those born outside the US?

Thats just a WILD thing to say. If American college athletes don't like their spots being taken by foreign athletes, then freaking work harder and get better. As long as we aren't talking about professional vs non-professional, what your saying is just down right ignorant.

And "legality can change?" Jesus man. Sure, I guess it can. We can also change laws to limit athletes of a certain skin color or religious beliefs as well.

You are being over dramatic.

Other countries often limit how many foreigners can be on their pro teams. And these countries have nothing like the opportunity of college sports. USA is just too stupid to realize we are developing foreign talent without reciprocity.

Just for example, I live in Missouri. Zero players on the mens Missouri State soccer team are from usa. ZERO. Of 26. Dumb as hell.

While perhaps I understand the emotional intent, I don't understand the logic behind TjgtAg08's reply. For example, Missouri State is a public college that - like all public colleges - was formed to educate, at least primarily, residents of the state it is in. Missouri State, and other public universities, are funded by state coffers, federal and state grants, the student's tuitions, and private donations. Despite their original charter, and funding, their entire soccer team is not only from out of the state but out of the USA? I feel like this does deny opportunity for the community these schools were designed to provide for. And why? To win more at a sport? Is the school's purpose to win sports, or provide foreigners opportunity to immigrate to the US? It does seem odd to me. I get it completely for professional sports because their sole purpose IS to win and to make money for an owner, the owner being a private individual and not the public (state and federal). But a public university?

The administrators for schools view "winning at sports" as equivalent to "marketing the university"
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The state rarely funds athletics…
Complete Idiot
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CactusThomas said:

You're literally hitler

Gawd dammit, I have the worst luck
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JJxvi said:

Complete Idiot said:

Aston04 said:

TjgtAg08 said:

Method Man said:

TjgtAg08 said:

Method Man said:

The ncaa should limit the number of foreign players on every team. They won't of course.


That would be insane and illegal.

But, maybe there could be limitations placed on former professionals. Maybe only 1 per roster and/or limit them to only 1-2 years of eligibility.


Why would it be insane? Legality can be changed. I've thought this for years since my kids play tennis and about 65% of female college tennis players are foreign born. How would it look if every college athlete in a conference was foreign born? Not that it would happen but that it could is ridiculous.


It would be insane because it would be extremely discriminatory, hateful and illegal. Why do you care about the number of foreign-born athletes in a given college sport? Are American-born athletes somehow more entitled to a spot on a college program than those born outside the US?

Thats just a WILD thing to say. If American college athletes don't like their spots being taken by foreign athletes, then freaking work harder and get better. As long as we aren't talking about professional vs non-professional, what your saying is just down right ignorant.

And "legality can change?" Jesus man. Sure, I guess it can. We can also change laws to limit athletes of a certain skin color or religious beliefs as well.

You are being over dramatic.

Other countries often limit how many foreigners can be on their pro teams. And these countries have nothing like the opportunity of college sports. USA is just too stupid to realize we are developing foreign talent without reciprocity.

Just for example, I live in Missouri. Zero players on the mens Missouri State soccer team are from usa. ZERO. Of 26. Dumb as hell.

While perhaps I understand the emotional intent, I don't understand the logic behind TjgtAg08's reply. For example, Missouri State is a public college that - like all public colleges - was formed to educate, at least primarily, residents of the state it is in. Missouri State, and other public universities, are funded by state coffers, federal and state grants, the student's tuitions, and private donations. Despite their original charter, and funding, their entire soccer team is not only from out of the state but out of the USA? I feel like this does deny opportunity for the community these schools were designed to provide for. And why? To win more at a sport? Is the school's purpose to win sports, or provide foreigners opportunity to immigrate to the US? It does seem odd to me. I get it completely for professional sports because their sole purpose IS to win and to make money for an owner, the owner being a private individual and not the public (state and federal). But a public university?

The administrators for schools view "winning at sports" as equivalent to "marketing the university"

and that's the thing.... If other schools don't have the opportunity to create an all foreign old man all star roster- everyone is on more of an equal footing.. Schools would go back to recruiting the best coach they can get to develop American players and market the school based upon their success.

The current situation with college sports (the non-revenue ones, but I'd say this is filtering even into men's basketball and football now)-- is that the college opportunities for incoming American freshmen are becoming much more limited. Then, as a parent, you do the cost/benefit analysis and it makes absolutely no sense to invest the resources to give your kid a chance at getting to that level of play (it already didn't make sense for most--- but now the situation is that much worse).

So then you have more American kids seeing that, dropping out from training, and the field gets even more diluted with foreigners to fill the gap. In reality, it's so bad, the "minor" college sports would be better off at this point if schools stopped doing sports scholarships, have real student-athletes play for their teams, and created regional conferences for those minor sports (will never happen, but better the situation at present). I see this first hand in men's tennis. The opportunities for American men in college are almost non-existent unless going D3, or an elite player, or willing to be a bench warmer for 4 years. Many, many coaches just recruit foreign, period. When kids come to me and ask about college tennis (coach tennis lessons on the side)- I discourage it unless they want to go D3 and can pay for it.

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As someone who doesn't pay attention to the non-rev sports very often, seeing the SEC represented across so many T&F teams in the Olympics was quite eye-opening to me.
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Aston 04 the "current situation" you described was already the case 20 years ago.

The cost of hiring personal trainers, coaches, select teams, travel etc. does not have positive cost / benefit ratio for American suburbanites attempting to get college athletic scholarships even for the small percentage of kids that get them.

Today, power four conference football, basketball, and *baseball teams are professional sports teams. Institutions that attempt to compete only with 4 yr student-athletes will be pathetically uncompetitive in comparison. Look how much more dominant Cignetti and his 23-25 yr olds at INDIANA of all places were vs. everyone, or the international makeup of this year's final 4 rosters. Teams that willingly put freshmen (outside of a small handful of future superstars) on the field or court are placing themselves at a self imposed disadvantage when they can go to the international, D2, D3, and mid major schools for fully developed plug and play contributors.

*Baseball rosters are full of NIL professionals-but haven't seen the major influx of international talent yet, but it won't be long until we see a team loaded with Venezuelans and Dominicans whip everyone at Omaha before the rest of the country follows that path.

In my opinion, if there is to be external pressure to reform & regulate professional sports played at universities it will come from the NBA, MLB, and NFL and their desire to squash competition to their professional sports league.
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What's correct amount of foreign born pro players on a given team? It's not 0 and it's not the complete team so at some point you're saying there has to be a limit. I'd say it's closer to 0 than the full roster.
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Method Man said:

What's correct amount of foreign born pro players on a given team? It's not 0 and it's not the complete team so at some point you're saying there has to be a limit. I'd say it's closer to 0 than the full roster.

That is entirely dependent on what type of player you are getting. If you are getting the college equivalent of a Luka/Jokic, the answer is every player on the roster.

That's an odd way to frame a question. Do you think coaches have a set number of foreign born players already established? I think they would take as many or as few players as they thought fit the roster.
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Jerry__Ag said:

Method Man said:

What's correct amount of foreign born pro players on a given team? It's not 0 and it's not the complete team so at some point you're saying there has to be a limit. I'd say it's closer to 0 than the full roster.

That is entirely dependent on what type of player you are getting. If you are getting the college equivalent of a Luka/Jokic, the answer is every player on the roster.

That's an odd way to frame a question. Do you think coaches have a set number of foreign born players already established? I think they would take as many or as few players as they thought fit the roster.

This was talking back about the need to limit foreign players not to recruit players in the current system which I'd be for getting a full team of Lukas of course.
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The big deal right now (which will correct over the next few years) is the foreign born players are cheaper so your money can be stretched further. But you still have to hit on them and you can't be too reliant on them.
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Done care either way but I'll bet many who are for getting foreign players are against HB1 etc bc they took arrr jobs
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