The biggest mistake we can make

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AngryAG
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Is a hire just to "keep the roster together."

College baseball rosters turn over constantly. You have to hire a guy who is a bad ass mofo with proven chops to recruit and assemble a roster. This has to be a decade decision, not driven by the expediency of the moment.

LB12Diamond
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Wrong
FriscoKid
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What about getting a coach that players like playing for vs a POS? GOOD?
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GOOD
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Even when it's potentially the best roster we have ever had?
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Well, if Early is the guy, it could be a 15-20 year decision. We've hired guys with chops. One, we still owe $70M+ to, and the other just met his gay friend in the cemetery and left. So, those haven't worked out that well for us either.
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This could get even worse if we do that to appease them and they bolt anyway. What then?
Ag1188
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I'd say it's a Plus that he knows all the detail-oriented stuff that Schloss has used the last 3 years.
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The biggest mistake we could be would be losing the Berm in the renovation. I have devoured countless loved ones of enemy players and coaches.
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AngryAG said:

Is a hire just to "keep the roster together."

College baseball rosters turn over constantly. You have to hire a guy who is a bad ass mofo with proven chops to recruit and assemble a roster. This has to be a decade decision, not driven by the expediency of the moment.


Sorry but disagree. As we have just witnessed, players matter more than coaches in baseball.
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It's a legitimate concern, and I'm sure that Trev is factoring that in to the decision. It can be the right decision (see Dabo Swinney), but it can also backfire.
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AngryAG said:

Is a hire just to "keep the roster together."

College baseball rosters turn over constantly. You have to hire a guy who is a bad ass mofo with proven chops to recruit and assemble a roster. This has to be a decade decision, not driven by the expediency of the moment.


It seems there's only like 6 consistently elite coaches in the nation. And they are happy & paid where they're at, or they're at their alma mater. Sometimes you do have to snag an assistant like Tennessee did with Vitello rather than go with a mediocre-P5 or a somewhat-successful coach at a midmajor.
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No one is hiring to "just keep everyone together". If they feel like Earley stacks up poorly to the other candidates, then he won't be hired. We're not in that room doing the first and second interviews.
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dermdoc said:

AngryAG said:

Is a hire just to "keep the roster together."

College baseball rosters turn over constantly. You have to hire a guy who is a bad ass mofo with proven chops to recruit and assemble a roster. This has to be a decade decision, not driven by the expediency of the moment.


Sorry but disagree. As we have just witnessed, players matter more than coaches in baseball.
Also just the fact players want to play for him so bad makes you think he can recruit elite. And he can imagine Schloss's rivaling recruiting pitch.
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How many generic takes are we going to get today?
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AngryAG said:

Is a hire just to "keep the roster together."

College baseball rosters turn over constantly. You have to hire a guy who is a bad ass mofo with proven chops to recruit and assemble a roster. This has to be a decade decision, not driven by the expediency of the moment.



In some instances that would be true. However, with all the endorsements from current and former players, I tend to lean with them and think Earley would be an excellent hire!
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Some of my best employees are ones that only have a few years experience, but they are smart, hungry, and want to prove something. The older and more experienced ones can be fat and lazy and stubborn because they know best. I think that was Jimbo's problem.
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Agsrback12 said:

This could get even worse if we do that to appease them and they bolt anyway. What then?


Top 10 programs don't hire assistants.

He is a very high level assistant at this point. That's it.

Let him prove himself at a lower level program first.


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dermdoc said:

AngryAG said:

Is a hire just to "keep the roster together."

College baseball rosters turn over constantly. You have to hire a guy who is a bad ass mofo with proven chops to recruit and assemble a roster. This has to be a decade decision, not driven by the expediency of the moment.


Sorry but disagree. As we have just witnessed, players matter more than coaches in baseball.


But the best players want to play for coaches who consistently get to Omaha.
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SHSU-AG said:

AngryAG said:

Is a hire just to "keep the roster together."

College baseball rosters turn over constantly. You have to hire a guy who is a bad ass mofo with proven chops to recruit and assemble a roster. This has to be a decade decision, not driven by the expediency of the moment.



In some instances that would be true. However, with all the endorsements from current and former players, I tend to lean

Lwith them and think Earley would be an excellent hire!


Endorsement that he is a good guy and a great assistant? That should never be enough at a top program.
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AngryAG said:

Agsrback12 said:

This could get even worse if we do that to appease them and they bolt anyway. What then?


Top 10 programs don't hire assistants.

He is a very high level assistant at this point. That's it.

Let him prove himself at a lower level program first.





This is mostly true for baseball. But why does it have to be? In football Georgia hired smart. While they were a bad program at the time, UT hired Vitello. That worked out well.

It might be worth the risk since no slam dunk hires are available. It's not like we're picking Earley over Sully, Johnson, DVH, Tony V, Bakich, O'Vonnor, etc. He would be beating out Skip and Heefner types.
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StinkyPinky said:

How many generic takes are we going to get today?


I said on the thread about the longer it takes. The more threads we will get like this one.
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Priceless.
AngryAG
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Farmer1906 said:

AngryAG said:

Agsrback12 said:

This could get even worse if we do that to appease them and they bolt anyway. What then?


Top 10 programs don't hire assistants.

He is a very high level assistant at this point. That's it.

Let him prove himself at a lower level program first.





This is mostly true for baseball. But why does it have to be? In football Georgia hired smart. While they were a bad program at the time, UT hired Vitello. That worked out well.

It might be worth the risk since no slam dunk hires are available. It's not like we're picking Earley over Sully, Johnson, DVH, Tony V, Bakich, O'Vonnor, etc. He would be beating out Skip and Heefner types.


When we hired Schloss he had taken TCU to Omaha five times. Guess what, he was a home run hire and took us higher than we have ever been. That wasn't a coincidence. That wasn't luck.

Let's recreate the formula. Get a replacement who has proven he can lead a program to Omaha!!
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My biggest question is whether Earley is an alpha male type. Because it surely takes that kind of mentality.
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AngryAG said:

Farmer1906 said:

AngryAG said:

Agsrback12 said:

This could get even worse if we do that to appease them and they bolt anyway. What then?


Top 10 programs don't hire assistants.

He is a very high level assistant at this point. That's it.

Let him prove himself at a lower level program first.





This is mostly true for baseball. But why does it have to be? In football Georgia hired smart. While they were a bad program at the time, UT hired Vitello. That worked out well.

It might be worth the risk since no slam dunk hires are available. It's not like we're picking Earley over Sully, Johnson, DVH, Tony V, Bakich, O'Vonnor, etc. He would be beating out Skip and Heefner types.


When we hired Schloss he had taken TCU to Omaha five times. Guess what, he was a home run hire and took us higher than we have ever been. That wasn't a coincidence. That wasn't luck.

Let's recreate the formula. Get a replacement who has proven he can lead a program to Omaha!!
It seems we've been rejected by the 9 or so guys that kind of applies to. Because what you're describing is basically just the head-coaches at:

Vanderbilt
Florida
LSU
Arkansas
Clemson
Virginia
Tennessee
FSU (at alma mater)
Oregon State (at alma mater)
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AngryAG said:

Agsrback12 said:

This could get even worse if we do that to appease them and they bolt anyway. What then?


Top 10 programs don't hire assistants.

He is a very high level assistant at this point. That's it.

Let him prove himself at a lower level program first.
It worked for Tennessee.

If we think about the Schloss era, the one exceptional trait each year is we mashed the ball around the yard all 3 years.

Year 1: Pitching was not good outside of the occasional Dettmer start. Infield defense was dreadful. So how'd we earn a national seed and end up in the cws semifinals? Exceptional hitting.

Year 2: pitching was absolutely dreadful, but we still made a regional and nearly advanced to a super regional had we not gotten double dipped by Stanford. So how'd we manage to stay relevant despite on of the worst pitching performances in school history? Exceptional hitting.

Year 3: LSU was nice enough to hire Yeskie away and we finally hired a competent pitching coach. We finally put it all together. The one thing that remained the same? Exceptional hitting.

The Schloss era looks very different without Earley (and LSU hiring Yeskie).
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AngryAG said:

Farmer1906 said:

AngryAG said:

Agsrback12 said:

This could get even worse if we do that to appease them and they bolt anyway. What then?


Top 10 programs don't hire assistants.

He is a very high level assistant at this point. That's it.

Let him prove himself at a lower level program first.





This is mostly true for baseball. But why does it have to be? In football Georgia hired smart. While they were a bad program at the time, UT hired Vitello. That worked out well.

It might be worth the risk since no slam dunk hires are available. It's not like we're picking Earley over Sully, Johnson, DVH, Tony V, Bakich, O'Vonnor, etc. He would be beating out Skip and Heefner types.


When we hired Schloss he had taken TCU to Omaha five times. Guess what, he was a home run hire and took us higher than we have ever been. That wasn't a coincidence. That wasn't luck.

Let's recreate the formula. Get a replacement who has proven he can lead a program to Omaha!!
Which one of those guys is going through a nasty divorce and needs to get out of town? Because that's how we got Schlossnagle. Closest to that is probably Kevin O'Sullivan (not a divorce, just some baggage from the tragic death of his wife's boys, which doesn't need to be rehashed here), and I haven't seen any indication that he's on our radar (or that he would be interested).
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AngryAG said:

Farmer1906 said:

AngryAG said:

Agsrback12 said:

This could get even worse if we do that to appease them and they bolt anyway. What then?


Top 10 programs don't hire assistants.

He is a very high level assistant at this point. That's it.

Let him prove himself at a lower level program first.





This is mostly true for baseball. But why does it have to be? In football Georgia hired smart. While they were a bad program at the time, UT hired Vitello. That worked out well.

It might be worth the risk since no slam dunk hires are available. It's not like we're picking Earley over Sully, Johnson, DVH, Tony V, Bakich, O'Vonnor, etc. He would be beating out Skip and Heefner types.


When we hired Schloss he had taken TCU to Omaha five times. Guess what, he was a home run hire and took us higher than we have ever been. That wasn't a coincidence. That wasn't luck.

Let's recreate the formula. Get a replacement who has proven he can lead a program to Omaha!!


Great idea. That type of hire is not available to us at this time. Now what?
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StinkyPinky said:

How many generic takes are we going to get today?


At the end of the day, the team that scores the most runs wins. Whichever coach can help our team do that is the right man for the job.
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Farmer1906 said:

AngryAG said:

Farmer1906 said:

AngryAG said:

Agsrback12 said:

This could get even worse if we do that to appease them and they bolt anyway. What then?


Top 10 programs don't hire assistants.

He is a very high level assistant at this point. That's it.

Let him prove himself at a lower level program first.





This is mostly true for baseball. But why does it have to be? In football Georgia hired smart. While they were a bad program at the time, UT hired Vitello. That worked out well.

It might be worth the risk since no slam dunk hires are available. It's not like we're picking Earley over Sully, Johnson, DVH, Tony V, Bakich, O'Vonnor, etc. He would be beating out Skip and Heefner types.


When we hired Schloss he had taken TCU to Omaha five times. Guess what, he was a home run hire and took us higher than we have ever been. That wasn't a coincidence. That wasn't luck.

Let's recreate the formula. Get a replacement who has proven he can lead a program to Omaha!!


Great idea. That type of hire is not available to us at this time. Now what?
It's either MLB assistants, Power-5 assistants, or Midmajor coaches…
ArcheryAg
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The people who post this **** make me think people don't know enough about baseball. Like ATM is gonna hire the next Williamsport winner.
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AngryAG said:

Agsrback12 said:

This could get even worse if we do that to appease them and they bolt anyway. What then?


Top 10 programs don't hire assistants.

He is a very high level assistant at this point. That's it.

Let him prove himself at a lower level program first.



Tennessee just proved all 3 of your points wrong and they won the CWS.
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I highly disagree. It's easier to make a coaching hire that promotes people who have led this team to contend for a natty while still (already evident) maintaining good rapport with our strongest guys. The latter would be a good, reputable coach with years of rebuild ahead before anything comes of it.
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