Tex117 said:

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OrangeAlert said:

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You guys will be very satisfied as time goes by regarding texas. The conferences they dominated and ruined were literally nothing compared to the SEC. Neither the Big 12 nor the SWC were winning EVERY single Natty in baseball with multiple teams. They were not winning the vast majority of football Nattys and women's B-Ball Nattys. Texas will start to try their texas crap and quickly find out that doesn't work here.
Mark it down, they will lose at least 2 SEC football games this year, and likely, three. They won't like sucking hind tit, but they better get used to it.
Look no further than right now. If they had Schlossed a team in the Big 12 or SWC, their control of the media would have created a totally different narrative. I believe even del Conte is shocked at how out of control this media event has gotten.
Hook those horns down!

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I think I have replied something similar to you before, but this is what the SEC doesn't understand... Everything you just said may come to pass. Lose even more than what you are suggesting.

And it still wont matter in terms of how Texas will start pulling the power of the conference West. Money and politics trumps on the field results.

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Don't see that happening because there was no center of power outside the state of Texas in the Big12. We had a balancing force to an extent because we have the same money they do. If tu had as much power now as they did in the SWC the Big12 would still be a legit conference with them in it.

There's too much money and history associated with the SEC for tu to exert real influence and arrogate power to themselves.

OrangeAlert said:

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I just don't see what they can do:
Get a bigger slice of the money? No chance.
Move the championship game to Dallas? Very doubtful as too much geographic push back.
Dominate in football? They could not even dominate the Big 12.
With the likely soon to be announced addition of Clemson and FSU, texas' power and control will wane even more. The power brokers in the Big 12 were terrified of texas. That is not the case here.
Most importantly, if Schloss and del Conte are indicative of how they conduct business, they are doomed. Snakes get sliced.

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I hope you are right. I'll happily eat crow. But, it will be the first time since 1883 Texas that they would consider themselves "corraled.."

The big xii power brokers weren't scared of Texas to begin with either. And then look what happened. Specifically, ask Nebraska about it.

Texas commands (and effectively wields, this is key) it's power and influence better than any school in the SEC. It happens slow, over time. Wine, dine, money, tv viewers, arrogance, all adds up. And this is in losing seasons.

(And man, with NIL truly getting underway, Texas (and the other far "richer" schools, including the Aggies, traditional power will shift because it has to… money is king. And Texas has a lot of it. They will get in the right ears. )

Adding to this, and this is just the reality, Texas AtM will go along with some of this in terms of shifting power West and other potential benefits.

But, time will tell.

TarponChaser said:

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Tex117 said:

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OrangeAlert said:

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You guys will be very satisfied as time goes by regarding texas. The conferences they dominated and ruined were literally nothing compared to the SEC. Neither the Big 12 nor the SWC were winning EVERY single Natty in baseball with multiple teams. They were not winning the vast majority of football Nattys and women's B-Ball Nattys. Texas will start to try their texas crap and quickly find out that doesn't work here.
Mark it down, they will lose at least 2 SEC football games this year, and likely, three. They won't like sucking hind tit, but they better get used to it.
Look no further than right now. If they had Schlossed a team in the Big 12 or SWC, their control of the media would have created a totally different narrative. I believe even del Conte is shocked at how out of control this media event has gotten.
Hook those horns down!

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I think I have replied something similar to you before, but this is what the SEC doesn't understand... Everything you just said may come to pass. Lose even more than what you are suggesting.

And it still wont matter in terms of how Texas will start pulling the power of the conference West. Money and politics trumps on the field results.

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Don't see that happening because there was no center of power outside the state of Texas in the Big12. We had a balancing force to an extent because we have the same money they do. If tu had as much power now as they did in the SWC the Big12 would still be a legit conference with them in it.

There's too much money and history associated with the SEC for tu to exert real influence and arrogate power to themselves.

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Already in Sankey's ear. It's already started.

All we can do is watch and see what happens. It won't be immediate. But in 10 years, I'm curious to see how this all plays out.

NCAA may need to extend the portal for a month after the conclusion of the CWS. This would put it after the draft, which may allow teams to go after bigger HS talent... And if that talent goes to the bigs, still time to fill gaps from the transfer portal.

I'm sure it's been discussed...

The oil money is king statement was definitely true throughout the 20th century. However, now there are so many other sources of outrageous income, the field is much more wide open. I cannot speak to other schools and their influence, but lowly Tennessee has the Pilot Truckstop money with the Haslams, Radio Systems with Randy Boyd, Dish Network, Peyton with all his myriad of business ventures, as well as, his influence by being a recognized celebrity who goes to the games, the land developers, etc.
It will come out soon enough, but you can be proud in the fact Alberts tried to throw a boatload of oil money at Tony. After the meeting, someone walked up to Tony, smiled, patted him on the back and said, "No worries, my friend. We got that and much, much more." Tony then thanked Trev and said, "No".
Oil money as a sole source and Texas' absolute power are a thing of the past. If oil money were still remotely king, A&M would have begun dominating the SEC by now in multiple sports. Texas has a hard lesson to learn, but learn it they will. The Schloss fiasco has only galvanized the little people like me and others to side with A&M over the jackasses in Austin.

Luke The Drifter said:

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Auburn hired Tuberville from Ole Miss
Ole Miss hired Nutt from Arkansas
TCU hired Dykes from SMU
Texas hired McWilliams from Tech

I'm sure there are others, but those are the ones that immediately pop into my head. None of those were as egregious as the garbage CDC, Texas, and Jim did to sabotage our championship run.

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Nutt was probably on the way out and Arkansas fans were ready to move on though if he hadn't left for Ole Miss

Didn't the Gumps poach Bear Bryant from A&M?

Not trying to sugar coat anything...I was pissed as well. I, honestly, believe Earley is telling the truth when he said there was not a let down in coaching by JS during the CWS. Or something to that fact. Did JS have conversations with Texas before, and during the CWS? Yes..I'm 1000% sure that happened. Texas is Texas..we shouldn't be surprised by this. These last few days have been really good, and I think Earley has a chance to be a really great coach for many years here. Sorry if I ruffled some feathers on here, but I'm just kind of over last week. Now, let's beat them in Nov. And sweep them in the spring! Gig'en!

OrangeAlert said:

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The oil money is king statement was definitely true throughout the 20th century. However, now there are so many other sources of outrageous income, the field is much more wide open. I cannot speak to other schools and their influence, but lowly Tennessee has the Pilot Truckstop money with the Haslams, Radio Systems with Randy Boyd, Dish Network, Peyton with all his myriad of business ventures, as well as, his influence by being a recognized celebrity who goes to the games, the land developers, etc.
It will come out soon enough, but you can be proud in the fact Alberts tried to throw a boatload of oil money at Tony. After the meeting, someone walked up to Tony, smiled, patted him on the back and said, "No worries, my friend. We got that and much, much more." Tony then thanked Trev and said, "No".
Oil money as a sole source and Texas' absolute power are a thing of the past. If oil money were still remotely king, A&M would have begun dominating the SEC by now in multiple sports. Texas has a hard lesson to learn, but learn it they will. The Schloss fiasco has only galvanized the little people like me and others to side with A&M over the jackasses in Austin.

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Again, I hope you are right overall. Really, it would be awesome for everyone that you are right.

My hope is that there is balance that can be reached with everything. (Money and politics is all part of the game, I just hope it's not the only part).

Vitello is definitely a fantastic coach (but that story feels like fan fiction). I haven't heard from a credible source that ATM made a legitimate run at Vitello (maybe they checked if he would take a call, but I doubt it became out dollars and cents). I don't see Vitello even "taking the call" (especially from ATM).

Just for some school reference. (This does not take into account the power doners).
(Not saying these are accurate but just a general sense of it)
https://247sports.com/longformarticle/college-athletics-25-powerhouses-who-produce-the-most-revenue-entering-2024-233312519/amp/

Endowments.
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=73

There are so many awesome schools in the SEC, Vols being among the best. Having seen the demise of two conferences already due to the slow poison of Texas, it's hard not to be a little concerned.

But, hey, all we can do is see what happens.

Premieraggie said:

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Yep! They are a cancer. They don't need a winning season. Nothing has to make sense, look at the horns down rule! Seriously???ugh. I'm old I've seen this play over and over

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this is the kind of stuff I'm trying to explain to our other SEC friends. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. The most important being "it doesn't have to make sense."

Back in the day, the Ags hired the tu offensive coordinator but it was all above board. Not the day after tu's bowl game. In football that is.

#Mke said:

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Unless they did something illegal or blatantly against written rules, it makes total and complete sense for t.u. to interfere with our success in whatever way they can.

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No.

You mean like contacting the A&M head coach during the season? You do realize that is technically against the rules, right?

Announcing the firing of pierce hours before we took the field at the cws is bad sportsmanship, any way you slice it. Du is a bad business partner without class. There is no other way to spin that.

ReelAg6 said:

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It's an unwritten rule that you don't go to a blood rival like that. You can't blame the school, but you can blame the coach.

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I don't care that Snausages went to du. It's how he did it, and recruiting kids to go to tu before the team even made it back to CS, that is what wad unprofessional.

#Mke said:

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Unless they did something illegal or blatantly against written rules, it makes total and complete sense for t.u. to interfere with our success in whatever way they can.

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CoAg1999 said:

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How about we just move on? There is no rule against going after another coach...you don't think A&M does the exact same? It happened, we have moved on as a program, and now so should the fans.

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#Mke said:

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Unless they did something illegal or blatantly against written rules, it makes total and complete sense for t.u. to interfere with our success in whatever way they can.

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Actually they kinda did; if they were (and it seems like there's a mountain of evidence they did) actively recruit current players to a rival while still under contract to A&M and while coaching a title series (the players all stand by an account that the coaches still coached their butts off), then at best they were acting in bad faith while under contract to A&M.

Assuming the coaches were actually trying to win I won't fault them for their coaching (it makes sense for them to still be trying to win because it would only have made it even more painful and also pad their resume even more), it's the fact they were trying to gut the roster while still contracted to A&M. If they'd waited til after the move to start recruiting players, that would've been legal and understandable, it's the way they went about it, outside of the portal window, while still ostensibly A&M coaches.

CoAg1999 said:

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I am a rookie cause I got better things to do then b**tch and moan all week about a guy that obviously did not want to be here!

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Still proving yourself a *****

ABATTBQ87 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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CoAg1999 said:

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How about we just move on? There is no rule against going after another coach...you don't think A&M does the exact same? It happened, we have moved on as a program, and now so should the fans.

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What head coach did we poach from tu?

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Emory Bellard was a tu assistant coach hired as head coach at A&M

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Man, I know you're old here, but my God, assistant coach does not = head coach

CoAg1999 said:

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No idea, but taking another schools coach is not a new thing. This one just happened to be Texas taking him. If he would have went to Mississippi State, would you still be cursing and carrying on about him? It is getting old to be honest...move on. We are and will remain great!

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CoAg1999 said:

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Who cares? How do you know we haven't reached out during a teams championship run? You act like everyone should be nice. It is a business...he had a relationship with the AD, the history is on the side of Texas as baseball is concerned. He got a 2 million dollar raise....who cares that they did in the middle of our run. We were one run away, nothing that JS could have done differently would have changed that. Basically, get over it!

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Really?! Wrong, *****ass*****

Ha...you need to settle down with the name calling! Don't make me find you and come slap the sh** out of you.