Is there a List of donation levels for Blue Bell Park season tickets like there is for Kyle Field ?

https://img.12thman.com/Web/PACtamu/%7Bd12f521b-29b2-4a25-8195-7517e6a215f0%7D_BS23-SeasonTicketPricing.pdf

I had assumed we'd go up this year and we still might but the departure of Swingin' Jim may delay that a year.

I'm so disappointed at the prices giving the kvetching on them combined with the insistence we win the CWS regularly and fire coaches to do that…

Keep in mind the donation impacts priority points which give you the opportunity to give more as you move up! But you're not limited to per-seat contributions!!!

I meant to link this because it specifically mentions the system is designed to be fair and transparent.

https://www.12thmanfoundation.com/membership-giving/priority-points/index.html

greg.w.h said:

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I meant to link this because it specifically mentions the system is designed to be fair and transparent.

https://www.12thmanfoundation.com/membership-giving/priority-points/index.html

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I think it is "fairly transparent" that the more priority points (e.g. donations, legacy tickets) you have, the better chance you have for tickets/perks.

I have no idea what priority point level you need to be get new tickets, but I can say that I have not been able to get any new tickets/move seats for the last couple.

If they are going to start with the renovation/expansion following the 2025 season, I think they may just stand pat at current prices. There are going to be some adjustments post renovation.

tamc93 said:

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greg.w.h said:

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I meant to link this because it specifically mentions the system is designed to be fair and transparent.

https://www.12thmanfoundation.com/membership-giving/priority-points/index.html

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I think it is "fairly transparent" that the more priority points (e.g. donations, legacy tickets) you have, the better chance you have for tickets/perks.

I have no idea what priority point level you need to be get new tickets, but I can say that I have not been able to get any new tickets/move seats for the last couple.

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You didn't read the link did you…

The question boils down to "what gives" between long loyalty and the fan expectations for more consistent outcomes? We can keep things exactly like they were under Chandler, Johnson, and Childress and under develop, underfund, and miss out on top talent.

Or…something has to change. I'll note that while in part due to the camps and fan support we only leak a little bit annually and that is with priority points from especially football unbalancing the interests of the loyal fans and those funding our athletics at large.

You can see that as a problem or realize it's part of the solution. But it isn't pleasant to sort for sure. And I'm not even slightly surprised if the fans that contributed to the culture and traditions feel strongly about friends that sat near them over the years that were part of all of that.

But what a the proposal for funding the success as opposed to the mediocrity we grew used to? It's a daunting problem and standing pat really isn't a choice.

greg.w.h said:

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The question boils down to "what gives" between long loyalty and the fan expectations for more consistent outcomes? We can keep things exactly like they were under Chandler, Johnson, and Childress and under develop, underfund, and miss out on top talent.

Or…something has to change. I'll note that while in part due to the camps and fan support we only leak a little bit annually and that is with priority points from especially football unbalancing the interests of the loyal fans and those funding our athletics at large.

You can see that as a problem or realize it's part of the solution. But it isn't pleasant to sort for sure. And I'm not even slightly surprised if the fans that contributed to the culture and traditions feel strongly about friends that sat near them over the years that were part of all of that.

But what a the proposal for funding the success as opposed to the mediocrity we grew used to? It's a daunting problem and standing pat really isn't a choice.

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The prices they floated when they surveyed a few months ago suggested about a 30% price increase for lower bowl which is significantly less than I expected. I'm sure they'll lose some but generally speaking I'm guessing long time ticket holders stay put if those prices are real. There has been no mention of requiring a reseating based on priority points, that's been something fans have worried about based on what happened with Kyle but since they aren't reconfiguring the lower bowl it may not happen. Right now that's my expectation based on their survey which I don't think mentioned points at all.

dermdoc said:

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billedge said:

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Is there a List of donation levels for Blue Bell Park season tickets like there is for Kyle Field ?

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The key is do you have enough priority points to even get baseball season tickets. Very limited supply and a ton of demand.

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Can you give an idea of what "a ton of demand" means in this case? When you get on the wait list do you have to say what seats you're angling for/willing and able to pay for? Or so you have to start at the bottom and work up? How many on the waiting list total? 1x total available seats? 5x? 10x?

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There has been no mention of requiring a reseating based on priority points

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I think that's coming. They have to have something to offer folks who write big checks for the renovation, and without a reseating, then all they would have to offer is new seating down the third base line.

My only hope in this regard is that they don't turn it into a priority points free for all, where folks who've never given to baseball, but have a lot of priority points, can jump in line in front of long-time season ticket holders. The best I think we can hope for would be that they reseat in two phases:

Phase one: current season ticket holders and donors who have given at least $X (say, $100,000) to the renovation project, in a priority points reseating from there.

Phase two: all other TMF members in priority points order.

Sean98 said:

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dermdoc said:

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billedge said:

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Is there a List of donation levels for Blue Bell Park season tickets like there is for Kyle Field ?

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The key is do you have enough priority points to even get baseball season tickets. Very limited supply and a ton of demand.

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Can you give an idea of what "a ton of demand" means in this case? When you get on the wait list do you have to say what seats you're angling for/willing and able to pay for? Or so you have to start at the bottom and work up? How many on the waiting list total? 1x total available seats? 5x? 10x?

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It's not about a wait list per se, once you have tickets they are yours in perpetuity (unless they conduct the reseating like they did with Kyle) for the prices shown above. The cost for tickets is fairly low once you get passed the barrier for entry, so people rarely give up their seats once they have them. I think the renewal rate is normally around 97% which means only ~200 - 250 total seats become available per year. Since most people buying tickets will buy 4 seats that means only about 50 - 60 people per year are given the opportunity to get new tickets. I know several people that have been waiting 5+ years building up their points in hopes of just getting in.
If you want "good" seats it will cost you a ton even if you already have seats and want to move up. I have a good friend that donated $100,000 and was hoping to improve his 2 seats but it wasn't enough because there was nobody in better seats that gave up their spots.
Some people get the opportunity for new tickets and the seats aren't even together, the key is to get tickets and then in subsequent years you can group them together. I have 4 seats in the 3BL bleachers, if I get an option to move 1 seat to a better section then I'll do that and move the others over time if/when possible.
Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint, so are Aggie baseball tickets!

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There has been no mention of requiring a reseating based on priority points

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I think that's coming. They have to have something to offer folks who write big checks for the renovation, and without a reseating, then all they would have to offer is new seating down the third base line.

My only hope in this regard is that they don't turn it into a priority points free for all, where folks who've never given to baseball, but have a lot of priority points, can jump in line in front of long-time season ticket holders. The best I think we can hope for would be that they reseat in two phases:

Phase one: current season ticket holders and donors who have given at least $X (say, $100,000) to the renovation project, in a priority points reseating from there.

Phase two: all other TMF members in priority points order.

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I've thought about this as well and this is the only thing that makes sense. Possibly even letting folks stay "in the general area" of their seats now if they agree to the new pricing.

Alr3111 said:

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No waitlist. you sign up for interest in baseball tickets. after renewals, you get into the reseating process based on priority points. Last year you needed top 2500 to get 3BL seats if you did not previously have tickets. there are some threads that talked about the process/availability last year you can search for.

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To rank in the top 2500 at that time you needed around 5000 points is what I was told.

12th Man Ag said:

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They may re-seat the whole thing based on PP, but after the debacle at Kyle Field and knowing many long time season ticket holders have not given to the TMF for anything but baseball (and you didn't get PP for that until recently), I doubt it is that clean.

I think they will and must increase donation levels and ticket prices for premium seating significantly. Probably at least 50%. But, I think all current season ticket holders should be allowed to pay the increases, if they desire, and keep their existing seats. If you decline to pay the going rate for your current seats, you get in line based on PP to choose remaining inventory.

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I would be quite happy with that, as I love my current seats and neighbors. But, I fear that's going to open up enough (or virtually any) new seats for the big donors needed for this renovation.

Do you think the new donors are clamoring for seats behind home plate or between 1st and 3rd? My gut says there are A LOT of fans that just want to get into the ballpark. So, adding some premium seats behind home and between 1st and 3rd might be needed, I think just pushing both decks out to left field, adding some premium bullpen or whatever areas, and expanding around the outfield will meet the pent up demand.

I could be wrong though. Maybe there are a lot of BMA's that want to be involved in baseball now that we are on an upper trajectory? I think most of those folks wanting tickets would be happy to get some armchair seats down the left field line, but I could be totally off.

12th Man Ag said:

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Do you think the new donors are clamoring for seats behind home plate or between 1st and 3rd? My gut says there are A LOT of fans that just want to get into the ballpark. So, adding some premium seats behind home and between 1st and 3rd might be needed, I think just pushing both decks out to left field, adding some premium bullpen or whatever areas, and expanding around the outfield will meet the pent up demand.

I could be wrong though. Maybe there are a lot of BMA's that want to be involved in baseball now that we are on an upper trajectory? I think most of those folks wanting tickets would be happy to get some armchair seats down the left field line, but I could be totally off.

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I think there are folks who would give $1 million if they could get four seats in the current club, but wouldn't be quite as interested in seats elsewhere. And then you've got the guys with 2 club seats who wish they had four. It only takes a few of those to cause a ripple effect.

I'm ready to see actual plans for the park so we can start thinking about seat locations and the such!

the interesting situation for the TMF...

I would drop football season tickets (or downgrade seating location) before I would drop baseball tickets

will gladly absorb a price increase for baseball...and even it out by sending less to football

While I might be interested in Club Seats, I just want to keep my 4 in 206. If I am able to do that, I will be just fine with anything else.

I suggested they move the press box and make the current press box into a club like the Insperity Club at Minute Maid. Separate restrooms, food and drinks, and padded armchair seats, but you can still see the game the entire time you are doing those other things (well, except using the restroom)! I like the Insperity Club better than the Diamond Club at MMP for those reasons.

I'd like the seats right in front of yours since they rarely seem to be used.

We could put TVs in the bathroom

trouble said:

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We could put TVs in the bathroom

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Or do like Rudy's and put in a one way mirror so people in the bathroom can see out.

twk said:

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12th Man Ag said:

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Do you think the new donors are clamoring for seats behind home plate or between 1st and 3rd? My gut says there are A LOT of fans that just want to get into the ballpark. So, adding some premium seats behind home and between 1st and 3rd might be needed, I think just pushing both decks out to left field, adding some premium bullpen or whatever areas, and expanding around the outfield will meet the pent up demand.

I could be wrong though. Maybe there are a lot of BMA's that want to be involved in baseball now that we are on an upper trajectory? I think most of those folks wanting tickets would be happy to get some armchair seats down the left field line, but I could be totally off.

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I think there are folks who would give $1 million if they could get four seats in the current club, but wouldn't be quite as interested in seats elsewhere. And then you've got the guys with 2 club seats who wish they had four. It only takes a few of those to cause a ripple effect.

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You can expand stadium club by moving the railing to add some of 104, 105, 109, 110.

Given that under the stadium needs to be redone (flooding in the training space), you could possibly expand the club interior to accommodate more people, especially if you are going vertical with training space and coaches offices.

That would be awesome from that vantage point

twk said:

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12th Man Ag said:

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Do you think the new donors are clamoring for seats behind home plate or between 1st and 3rd? My gut says there are A LOT of fans that just want to get into the ballpark. So, adding some premium seats behind home and between 1st and 3rd might be needed, I think just pushing both decks out to left field, adding some premium bullpen or whatever areas, and expanding around the outfield will meet the pent up demand.

I could be wrong though. Maybe there are a lot of BMA's that want to be involved in baseball now that we are on an upper trajectory? I think most of those folks wanting tickets would be happy to get some armchair seats down the left field line, but I could be totally off.

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I think there are folks who would give $1 million if they could get four seats in the current club, but wouldn't be quite as interested in seats elsewhere. And then you've got the guys with 2 club seats who wish they had four. It only takes a few of those to cause a ripple effect.

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Agree. There will be a feeding frenzy on premium seats.

And I hope they give season ticket holders the right of first refusal if they can match the payment. The problem is that no priority points were given for baseball until very recently so it should not be a true just complete priority point deal.

12th Man Ag said:

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I think allowing season ticket holders right of first refusal to pony up what ever donation and ticket price they set is the right decision.

Now, maybe if someone makes a sizable contribution to the stadium renovation (twk mentioned $100k above) maybe they get in line first (in order of their donation above $100k) after season ticket holders, but before a PP selection.

The only real problem I see with this is what about season ticket holders who want to upgrade or add seats? Are they allowed to select new inventory during their right of first refusal or just keep their existing seats and only add or upgrade during the 3rd phase!

Phase 1 - all current season ticket holders are given the option to retain their current season inventory only, if they choose to pay the ticket and donation prices.

Phase 2 - any donor giving a gift of $100k (or whatever level is set as the requirement) to the stadium renovation is given access to 4 tickets in any available inventory

Phase 3 - all current season ticket holders and TMF members on the interested list are given access to remaining inventory in PP order to upgrade or buy tickets for the first time. I think you keep the limit at 4 tickets per account this first time around.

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I think the answer to current season ticket holders who want to add/upgrade is simply the current season ticket renewal process, add/relocate during seat selection based on PP.

The need to drop the field or build above it is why a rebuild would be superior. Carrying old concrete forward is always cheaper than removing it though…I'm very curious when we will hear more on the new buildout.

The problem with dropping the field is you have to push the field back towards the rec center and the tracks to add more seats in the lower sections, which reduces outfield seating. Now, that might be a better solution monetarily than adding stands in the outfield given the price of a Field Club seat vs. an outfield seat. Maybe you could stick still stick a few seats out there or shorten the field a few feet. I wonder how many rows/seats they could actually add if they dropped the field?

It's really too bad we're so confined by the current foot print. The rec center expansion really cut into what could be done there for left field. We just lack space for additional premium seats behind home plate.