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cevans_40
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Pichael Thompson said:

annie88 said:

96ags said:

It took a fan to finally challenge the team.

Schloss would have said that same thing the 2nd week of the season!

Good for that guy!


You gotta be a special kind of gullible to think that that fan yelling what he did, did anything to spur our team on. But you guys go on and live in your delusion.



That crazy fan is the reason for the only conference win this year



God bless that nutjob

The only thing dumber than saying the fans are responsible for our winning/losing is saying that the coach really isn't. I've read both on this thread.
Pichael Thompson
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cevans_40 said:

Pichael Thompson said:

annie88 said:

96ags said:

It took a fan to finally challenge the team.

Schloss would have said that same thing the 2nd week of the season!

Good for that guy!


You gotta be a special kind of gullible to think that that fan yelling what he did, did anything to spur our team on. But you guys go on and live in your delusion.



That crazy fan is the reason for the only conference win this year



God bless that nutjob

The only thing dumber than saying the fans are responsible for our winning/losing is saying that the coach really isn't. I've read both on this thread.



What's really intelligent is replying to sarcastic posts as if they were meant to be taken literally
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Justice Beaver said:

twk said:

Blaming it on our fans being happy with mediocrity is the dumbest thing ever posted on TexAgs. Congratulations, you are now tied for the worst post in TexAgs history (along with a few thousand other folks looking for a scapegoat and a chance to feel self righteous).


Where is he wrong?


He wasn't. He was spot on
cevans_40
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Pichael Thompson said:

cevans_40 said:

Pichael Thompson said:

annie88 said:

96ags said:

It took a fan to finally challenge the team.

Schloss would have said that same thing the 2nd week of the season!

Good for that guy!


You gotta be a special kind of gullible to think that that fan yelling what he did, did anything to spur our team on. But you guys go on and live in your delusion.



That crazy fan is the reason for the only conference win this year



God bless that nutjob

The only thing dumber than saying the fans are responsible for our winning/losing is saying that the coach really isn't. I've read both on this thread.



What's really intelligent is replying to sarcastic posts as if they were meant to be taken literally

Sorry. My post was really stand-alone but I chose to put it in with a group that were in the process of proving my point.
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Justice Beaver said:

twk said:

Blaming it on our fans being happy with mediocrity is the dumbest thing ever posted on TexAgs. Congratulations, you are now tied for the worst post in TexAgs history (along with a few thousand other folks looking for a scapegoat and a chance to feel self righteous).


Where is he wrong?
Venting frustration isn't an argument, it's a gesture of futility.
Blonde Coffee Beans
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96ags said:

I have no idea if he was drunk or not, but apparently he questioned their heart.

Earley's wife went momma bear on him(pathetic), but at least the team got a little fire and fight.


Imagine over 100k people knowing their husband is an absolute failure at his job.
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TxAg76 said:

Outlaw0206 said:

TxAg76 said:

Justice Beaver said:

twk said:

Blaming it on our fans being happy with mediocrity is the dumbest thing ever posted on TexAgs. Congratulations, you are now tied for the worst post in TexAgs history (along with a few thousand other folks looking for a scapegoat and a chance to feel self righteous).


Where is he wrong?


It's the notion that you're belittling the casual fan just for being a fan at all.
It's implying that if they were "true fans" looking to "make a real impact" that they'd just boycott all games in unison until a championship trophy is being hoisted.

Just because fans may wanna go catch a game, maybe take their kids to a game, maybe take their aging parents to game….doesnt make any of them losers.
Also doesn't mean they accept mediocrity either, just because they chose to attend the games.

It just means they're fans of the sport, and their team.

I'd like to see you go tell a long time Detroit Lions fan that they're losers, and that they accept mediocrity.
The reaction won't be pleasant. You might find yourself on the wrong end of some fists, or worse.



TxAg76 said:

Justice Beaver said:

twk said:

Blaming it on our fans being happy with mediocrity is the dumbest thing ever posted on TexAgs. Congratulations, you are now tied for the worst post in TexAgs history (along with a few thousand other folks looking for a scapegoat and a chance to feel self righteous).


Where is he wrong?


It's the notion that you're belittling the casual fan just for being a fan at all.
It's implying that if they were "true fans" looking to "make a real impact" that they'd just boycott all games in unison until a championship trophy is being hoisted.

Just because fans may wanna go catch a game, maybe take their kids to a game, maybe take their aging parents to game….doesnt make any of them losers.
Also doesn't mean they accept mediocrity either, just because they chose to attend the games.

It just means they're fans of the sport, and their team.

I'd like to see you go tell a long time Detroit Lions fan that they're losers, and that they accept mediocrity.
The reaction won't be pleasant. You might find yourself on the wrong end of some fists, or worse.



At no point did I say to boycott the team or not watch/ support. I said that we have to quit accepting mediocre results. We can be a fan of Aggie baseball and be pissed off at the result at the same time. It's possible.


Right. Then tell me, what does "not accepting mediocre results" look like?
What do the fans do, to prove to you and the rest of the high and mightys, that they "don't accept" the current results?
What's the recourse that pacifies all you "champions" that will lead the rest of us loser mentalities to all the championships?
I think sometimes we overlook what happens at the schools that win. You forget the call in shows or booing at Alabama games towards Saban, even after he won 7 National Championship[s, 6 at Bama. We just had one fan light up the team Friday, and our fans were calling him an idiot and saying he has no class. Team reacted with its only SEC win of the season. Maybe he's an idiot. maybe all the Bama fans we call "entitled" are idiots.

But idiot rabid fanbases win.
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Explain Vanderbilt winning a CWS. I don't recall the whistlers being overtly negative towards their team. How about Mississippi State? The idea that a-hole fans make your program better is a myth. If you have a big enough fan base, you are likely to have your share of those folks but to think that they drive the winning, rather than the folks who actually support the program financially, is not exactly grounded in logic.
Joes
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Both of the last two posts are interesting. As a rock fan I've always heard the same debate about rock bands, that "friction between band members creates better music". And they point to all the big dysfunctional bands that have celebrated catalogs. But I think that's a misconception. The reality is that most rock bands are highly dysfunctional in the first place and so naturally a large number of the famous ones inevitably are too, despite the drama. But there are many many very successful bands that last decades without the constant fighting and drama, many who are actual friends. I don't think there's any correlation about conflict resulting in better music. The same thing with drugs. "Rock bands on drugs make better music". No they don't, it's just that a very large number of younger band members in their prime do drugs, so people mistakenly make the association.

So, as it pertains to sports, I don't think angry or loud fans incentivize the teams to perform better, but I do think they are a reflection of the expectations at those places in general. Every team inevitably has at least a few crazy outlier fans, but there's no question that some fanbases are more vocal and demanding at a large scale than others. Ohio State has not lost more than 2 games in a season since 2011 and yet after losing to Michigan again this year (and only weeks from another title) the fans wanted Ryan Day on a rope. Alabama already wanted to burn DeBoer's house down during his first season but even the previous year with Saban after all he's done the fans were merciless to him, and he won the SEC and nearly went to the NC game again. The more a coach or program does, the more that's expected of them. They don't build a cushion; they only build higher demands.

But at A&M I never detect any visceral anger, and in fact, things are celebrated in a way that are criticized at other places. It's kind of a running joke but the "We're the best 2 loss.. I mean 3 loss.. I mean 4 loss team in the country!" Or "Two of the teams we lost to are in the playoffs!' or whatever. Jackie Sherrill is revered as some kind of legend here and is the perennial answer to fix the football program ("If we only had Jackie back!"). Even putting aside the scandals, he went 52-28-1 and won all of two bowl games (against 8-4 teams) and then disappeared into the coaching pasture for good before the end of the 80s. But he's considered "The Standard". Meanwhile Mack Brown goes 158-48 and is in two national title games and wins 10 bowl games and even after 15 years of absence the anger at him is seething for underachieving. You can go to the Texas fans sites even in recent months and see "I'm fine with Mack glad handing with donors and passing out cookies at games. Keep him the **** away from everything else" and "Mack Brown can suck it". and simply "**** Mack". It's almost all because of the record against OU and not winning multiple national titles. Beating A&M 10 times gained him nothing except anger at losing the other 4. There was a running thread in recent years just to mock him whenever North Carolina lost.

So, I don't think fan anger helps teams at all, it's merely a reflection of what the fans have been conditioned to expect. So you get "Jackie went 5-2 against Texas, he's our hero!" at one place and "Mack went 10-4 against A&M.. is that supposed to impress us?" at the other.

And it's about the same for baseball.
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