Where Does Baseball Go From Here?

5,181 Views | 41 Replies | Last: 9 mo ago by Joes
TnAg23
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
This is as down as I've been about this athletic department.

Since Trev has been here, 2/3 major men's coaches made a lateral move to get out of town.

The baseball replacement has fallen shorter of expectations than we thought imaginable.
It would have been disappointing to be ranked 16 and just be hosting a regional.
Now It'd take a miracle to make the playoffs at all.

Trev Couldn't close the deal on Beard with basketball, and it looks like we're heading down the same road with that coaching search. Word is they offered Beard $7 Million, and still couldn't land him.

Even if Earley is done after this season, what has Trev showed us that makes us think we can get one of college baseball's elite coaches.

I've been such a sunshine pumper, but I really don't know what realistic next move we can make to make any major mens sport in this athletics department competitive.
twk
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
You are in for a long an unpleasant ride.

Nothing the public is going to see will happen on the baseball front until the season is over. If we finish the way we started, we will make a change, and be in a much better position to make a new hire than we were in late June last year. But, between now and then, expect a roller coaster. We will probably win some games, and put ourselves in a position where the question of whether or not to make a change is not quite as clear as it seems right now.

Nothing about the baseball hire last year concerns me with regard to Alberts. Schloss put him in an impossible position, and we rolled the dice in what seemed like the only move which would give us a chance to be competitive (frankly, better than just competitive even according to most rival coaches) this year. It's not his fault the gamble didn't pay off. It's what he does with that bit of data at the end of the season that determines how you judge him.

Getting Beard to make a lateral move was always going to be difficult if Ole Miss was willing to match what we offered.
TheDecadeSapling
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
It's insane people are crapping this hard on Alberts. I'm not saying he's the guy, but geez, we're pathetic. He's been here a year.
Pichael Thompson
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Alberts gave earley idiotic money... he can redeem himself moving forward but he needs to own the earley debacle

No issue giving earley a shot, but 4 MM guaranteed is room temp iq


If this is the worst you've seen op, then you are incredibly spoiled....



Some of us had to live through Fran & Watkins at the same time
GymBroFisher
How long do you want to ignore this user?
People don't understand the baseball calendar and how ignorant it is to say that Trev botched the Earley hire when he had so many limited choices. There's no way we were hiring a top shelf coach at that point in the calendar.
Pichael Thompson
How long do you want to ignore this user?
GymBroFisher said:

People don't understand the baseball calendar and how ignorant it is to say that Trev botched the Earley hire when he had so many limited choices. There's no way we were hiring a top shelf coach at that point in the calendar.


What he botched was the earley contract
Agryan00
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Yep its not Alberts fault coaches are leaving. I mean with the little money we have and the minimum resources I am sure Alberts is doing his best.

Your right. Schloss put him in him in bad position. Its not like we would expect Trev to do an succession planning. We don't pay him enough to figure out who might take over should someone leave. I mean how did that reporter know to ask Schloss the question about him leaving right after he lost the CWS. Thats amazing the foresight that guy had. If there were only rumor a month earlier that Schloss might leave maybe Trev would have had time to plan.

People don't talk to people behind the scenes. They don't send couriers and bagmen to drop a message. I mean Johnnys Dad didn't ask Sumlin for $3MM to stay another year. How could you possibly not follow the rules to a T.
twk
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Agryan00 said:

Yep its not Alberts fault coaches are leaving. I mean with the little money we have and the minimum resources I am sure Alberts is doing his best.

Your right. Schloss put him in him in bad position. Its not like we would expect Trev to do an succession planning. We don't pay him enough to figure out who might take over should someone leave. I mean how did that reporter know to ask Schloss the question about him leaving right after he lost the CWS. Thats amazing the foresight that guy had. If there were only rumor a month earlier that Schloss might leave maybe Trev would have had time to plan.

People don't talk to people behind the scenes. They don't send couriers and bagmen to drop a message. I mean Johnnys Dad didn't ask Sumlin for $3MM to stay another year. How could you possibly not follow the rules to a T.

You can identify all the targets you want, none of the good ones wanted to make a move in July. Period.
twk
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Quote:

No issue giving earley a shot, but 4 MM guaranteed is room temp iq
$1 million per year is not a huge contract for the A&M baseball position. If Alberts were to justify not making a moved based upon the remaining buyout, then that's on him, but, so long as he doesn't rely upon that as a justification for sticking with Earley, then I don't think it's a big issue. It's really just the price of doing business. All these people who think we can get by with incentive laden, short-term contracts with small buyouts are engaging in some slightly wishful thinking.
OrangeAlert
How long do you want to ignore this user?
From an outsider's perspective, my view of A&M, Oklahoma, and Texas are schools flush with big oil money boosters who can cover any financial slipup even as bad as the Fisher one. Is this not the case?
WolfCall
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
TheDecadeSapling said:

It's insane people are crapping this hard on Alberts. I'm not saying he's the guy, but geez, we're pathetic. He's been here a year.

If our baseball program was doing great, as was projected preseason, and someone on this board posted about what a great job Trev was doing, would anyone post the following?:

It's insane people are complimenting Alberts. I'm not saying he's not the guy.; however, he shouldn't get any credit for this team's current accomplishments; geez, we're pathetic. He's been here only a year.
ccolley68
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
OrangeAlert said:

From an outsider's perspective, my view of A&M, Oklahoma, and Texas are schools flush with big oil money boosters who can cover any financial slipup even as bad as the Fisher one. Is this not the case?


Do we have some big donors? Yes. But oil money can be as fleeting as the wind. They are similar to some of the paper billionaire tech bros. An oilman can be worth a billion today and broke by Monday. To expect them to do it year in and year out with oil price fluctuations is pretty short sighted.

And it's a blessing and a curse. A well funded AD from well engaged fan base, accepting donations from a lot of normal folks to make up the pool, but also folks who don't put up enough money to actually have any sway is ideal. To take your train of thought of an outsiders perspective, this is how I envision some places like Ohio St and Alabama. I don't know if it's the case, but I assume those places don't have a cabal of huge money donors funding the majority of the AD, rather just a fanabase that's passionate about their program(s) and put their annual $100 or whatever and it all adds up.

We on the other hand have that cabal of mega donors who, rightfully, want some say in the goings on based on their contributions. And a majority fanbase who don't contribute squat, I'm guilty, and just assume that those big donors will keep up the big funding to do all the big dick money whipping we non-contributors on message boards bump our gums about.
TheDecadeSapling
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
If they were as ready to extend him in that scenario as they are to fire him, somebody should post that. We have more knee jerk reactions than an epileptic patient
kevmiller
How long do you want to ignore this user?
TheDecadeSapling said:

It's insane people are crapping this hard on Alberts. I'm not saying he's the guy, but geez, we're pathetic. He's been here a year.


Exactly
This athletic dept has along long history of underachieving and the attitude now is this is new territory . lol
Faustus
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Quote:

From an outsider's perspective, my view of A&M, Oklahoma, and Texas are schools flush with big oil money boosters who can cover any financial slipup even as bad as the Fisher one. Is this not the case?


Certainly as to Texas and A&M.
TnAg23
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
TheDecadeSapling said:

It's insane people are crapping this hard on Alberts. I'm not saying he's the guy, but geez, we're pathetic. He's been here a year.
In fairness, It's shaping up to be an exceptionally ****ty year
zephyr88
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
W
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Trev's #1 job is financial austerity -- isn't it?

get the athletic department's budget in line and so forth
TexasAggiesWin
How long do you want to ignore this user?
S
TheDecadeSapling said:

It's insane people are crapping this hard on Alberts. I'm not saying he's the guy, but geez, we're pathetic. He's been here a year.
I will say, this is a prime example of why the Aggies struggle. There are smaller schools with much less resources ready to make changes immediately when their teams are not performing.

With Texas A&M, I see this sentiment way too often. "They have only been here for such a short amount of time, give them a chance." I could add many more of my thoughts but I continue to see way too many Ags willing to give people more time rather than hold their feet to the fire.
WolfCall
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
At least Softball is already better with TAMU at #4!
TAMU1990
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Alberts had time - Schloss ignored him for almost 2 months. But, it would have been awkward working behind the scenes when prospective coaches would be asking why are you talking to me when you're going to Omaha?

I am rooting for Earley to work out. He's a good guy, but the collapse needs to stop and he needs to win some games in the SEC. If not, we have to move on.
TheDecadeSapling
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
We can hold their feet to the fire without canning everybody at the first sign of adversity. I want to win too but it's never gonna happen if we don't lay the foundations.
jrodwh00p
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
TheDecadeSapling said:

We can hold their feet to the fire without canning everybody at the first sign of adversity. I want to win too but it's never gonna happen if we don't lay the foundations.


And laying the foundation with someone who's yet to build his first house (Earley) was just a stupid move. Should have at least picked a real coach
..The history of the world is that of religion. Violent faith, in either God or Man has shed an endless river of blood. It is not a matter of what you can live without, but which allows you the freedom to be indifferent..

No material on this site is intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. See full Medical Disclaimer.
Hubert J. Farnsworth
How long do you want to ignore this user?
TheDecadeSapling said:

It's insane people are crapping this hard on Alberts. I'm not saying he's the guy, but geez, we're pathetic. He's been here a year.


Albert's was brought in to be a bean counter and help get the finances in order. Looking at his time at Nebraska, there really wasn't a whole lot of good, outside of volleyball. Why A&M paid so much for him is beyond me.
ensign_beedrill
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Wasn't Beard fired from t.u. because he was arrested for assaulting his fiancee?

Not the kind of guy we want here. Not the kind of guy I want to see leading young men anywhere. Why so disappointed?
aggie-1997
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
TheDecadeSapling said:

It's insane people are crapping this hard on Alberts. I'm not saying he's the guy, but geez, we're pathetic. He's been here a year.
I couldn't agree more with this. I feel like Schloss was leaving either way and used Trev as an excuse. I think the jury is still out on Trev. Wish he would have already made moves in soccer and women's basketball. Will be interesting to see how he handles the baseball situation. I honestly don't think he will make a move after 1 year. Which will be hotly contested on this board.
ensign_beedrill
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I don't see how he can justify making a move in baseball this year after not making a move in women's basketball. It would be a terrible double standard if he did.

(I'm not saying he should do either. Just pointing it out.)
dcg4403
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
TnAg23 said:

This is as down as I've been about this athletic department.

Since Trev has been here, 2/3 major men's coaches made a lateral move to get out of town.

The baseball replacement has fallen shorter of expectations than we thought imaginable.
It would have been disappointing to be ranked 16 and just be hosting a regional.
Now It'd take a miracle to make the playoffs at all.

Trev Couldn't close the deal on Beard with basketball, and it looks like we're heading down the same road with that coaching search. Word is they offered Beard $7 Million, and still couldn't land him.

Even if Earley is done after this season, what has Trev showed us that makes us think we can get one of college baseball's elite coaches.

I've been such a sunshine pumper, but I really don't know what realistic next move we can make to make any major mens sport in this athletics department competitive.


I know this much. I do NOT take any A&M sports program too seriously after Jimbo hire. And I have little expectations that we will win much of anything in my lifetime. I donate but only to the academic side as athletic money is clearly mismanaged. Prove they can make good hires and investments and that would change. But the horizon doesnt look promising from what I have seen in the last few years. Oh well, so sad. But I do not let A&M sports consume me....like it use it. I have a family and friends for that.
TAMU1990
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
ensign_beedrill said:

I don't see how he can justify making a move in baseball this year after not making a move in women's basketball. It would be a terrible double standard if he did.

(I'm not saying he should do either. Just pointing it out.)
The gulf of concern among the fan base between these two programs wide (even when women's basketball is winning). It's a huge drain on the budget and the contract is probably cost prohibitive enough to not make a change now.
threeanout
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
ensign_beedrill said:

I don't see how he can justify making a move in baseball this year after not making a move in women's basketball. It would be a terrible double standard if he did.

(I'm not saying he should do either. Just pointing it out.)
I could care less about WBB, but Taylor at least has 10 years of HC experience in the SEC.

I think these last 5-6 weeks will tell the tale on the future of Earley. If we claw back, play .500 ball from here on out, show some signs of life, even though we miss post season play I think he could retain his job.

Stay on the same pace we are on now and he is gone. Just my opinion.
wahoo0185
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Off season
greg.w.h
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Over there…
AggieArchitect04
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
It's incredibly bizarre to have a coach that was NC runner-up and pre-season #1 leave, but I'm not sure Texas is a lateral move. Ignoring his relationship with CDC, Texas has an incredible brand and is usually competitive in most all major sports.

I also don't consider Maryland a lateral move for our basketball coach. Maryland is probably more of a basketball school and although he had support here, Buzz probably doesn't want to play second fiddle to football.
HoustonAg2106
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
AggieArchitect04 said:

It's incredibly bizarre to have a coach that was NC runner-up and pre-season #1 leave, but I'm not sure Texas is a lateral move. Ignoring his relationship with CDC, Texas has an incredible brand and is usually competitive in most all major sports.

I also don't consider Maryland a lateral move for our basketball coach. Maryland is probably more of a basketball school and although he had support here, Buzz probably doesn't want to play second fiddle to football.


Texas baseball is a top 3 brand in college baseball so definitely not a lateral move especially with knowing they were moving into the SEC

Maryland basketball is probably bigger than football on that campus, also not a lateral move.
magnolia tiger
How long do you want to ignore this user?
There are only 1-2 schools that would be considered a lateral move if their coach left for Texas, they are top tier.
Page 1 of 2
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.