Is it time to evaluate Trisha Ford

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In reply to TrackFan • 1:35p, 5/19/25
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TrackFan said:
Wabs said:
jkag89 said:
Wabs said:
We certainly got matched with a good 2-seed in our regional. Yes, we should have beat them but doesn't the number 1 seed usually get a better draw (as far as who the 2 seed is)? Here are the 2 seed RPIs.

(1) A&M: Liberty (26)
(2) OU: Cal (28)
(3) UF: GT (35)
(6) tu: UCF (30)
(8) SCar: UVA (27)
(9) UCLA: SDSU (28)
(11) Clemson: UK (39)

Haven't looked it up, but not sure if any of those teams were conference champions and 40+ game winners either.
The NCAA only seeds the #1 Seeds from 1-16. All #2,#3 and #4 Seeds are seen as the same.
So all #2 seeds are seen as equal and randomly (or regionally?) assigned to a region?

Sort of. The committee is obligated by the rules to place the non-seeded teams in regionals within the 400-mile driving distance maximum in order to reduce flying teams to regionals.

But, they do use "logic" trying to keep balance in each regional. There's a reason why unseeded Oklahoma State with an RPI of 17 was sent to Arkansas instead of in-state Oklahoma and to me it is due to not giving the higher seed the "tougher" seed as determined by the committee's rankings of the 2-seeds.

Most pre-brackets I saw had Kentucky as a 3-seed and Liberty as a 2-seed going to a nearby region in North Carolina or South Carolina. But, when the committee chose to make SEC Kentucky a 2-seed, that prevented UK from being sent to A&M and instead sent to Clemson where Liberty would have been a drive-in. The committee most likely ranked Liberty around #32 and they had to be flown somewhere.

The committee could just have easily sent Central Florida to College Station and Liberty to Austin, or Liberty to Norman, OK and California to College Station as all those 3 schools had to be flown somewhere.
Yes, I assumed travel is taken into account. But like you said, Cal and UCF both had to fly to their regional like Liberty did. I wonder what the reasoning was to send 30 RPI to #6 seed tu and 28 RPI to OU. Is it just random that we got 26 RPI Liberty?

Liberty: 26 RPI, 47-12, conference champions
Cal: 28 RPI, 35-19, 9th in the ACC
UCF: 30 RPI, 33-22, 7th in Big 12

Yes, we should have beaten Liberty, but it seems we got the toughest out the 3 travelling 2 seeds.
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In reply to Wabs • 1:49p, 5/19/25
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Wabs said:
jkag89 said:
Wabs said:
We certainly got matched with a good 2-seed in our regional. Yes, we should have beat them but doesn't the number 1 seed usually get a better draw (as far as who the 2 seed is)? Here are the 2 seed RPIs.

(1) A&M: Liberty (26)
(2) OU: Cal (28)
(3) UF: GT (35)
(6) tu: UCF (30)
(8) SCar: UVA (27)
(9) UCLA: SDSU (28)
(11) Clemson: UK (39)

Haven't looked it up, but not sure if any of those teams were conference champions and 40+ game winners either.
The NCAA only seeds the #1 Seeds from 1-16. All #2,#3 and #4 Seeds are seen as the same.
So all #2 seeds are seen as equal and randomly (or regionally?) assigned to a region?
No. but they aren't seeded in order after 16…
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In reply to greg.w.h • 2:07p, 5/19/25
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greg.w.h said:
Wabs said:
jkag89 said:
Wabs said:
We certainly got matched with a good 2-seed in our regional. Yes, we should have beat them but doesn't the number 1 seed usually get a better draw (as far as who the 2 seed is)? Here are the 2 seed RPIs.

(1) A&M: Liberty (26)
(2) OU: Cal (28)
(3) UF: GT (35)
(6) tu: UCF (30)
(8) SCar: UVA (27)
(9) UCLA: SDSU (28)
(11) Clemson: UK (39)

Haven't looked it up, but not sure if any of those teams were conference champions and 40+ game winners either.
The NCAA only seeds the #1 Seeds from 1-16. All #2,#3 and #4 Seeds are seen as the same.
So all #2 seeds are seen as equal and randomly (or regionally?) assigned to a region?
No. but they aren't seeded in order after 16…
Yes, that's obvious. Otherwise we might have gotten sip's 2 seed if you take air travel into account. I mean they were (by resume and RPI) the worst out of Liberty, Cal, and UCF.
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2:55p, 5/19/25
As I stated, I think there is some order/ranking of the 2-seeds. While we've talked about Central Florida, Liberty, and California, a couple of other 2-seeds who had to be flown to regionals were Nebraska, Virginia Tech, and Stanford; those teams had RPI's in the teens. It's not a coincidence that they were flown to 1-seeds who were seeded 10th (LSU), Alabama (15th), and Oregon (16th). If the placement of the 2-seeds were completely random, then why not send Nebraska instead of California to Oklahoma?
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In reply to Wabs • 3:09p, 5/19/25
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Wabs said:
greg.w.h said:
Wabs said:
jkag89 said:
Wabs said:
We certainly got matched with a good 2-seed in our regional. Yes, we should have beat them but doesn't the number 1 seed usually get a better draw (as far as who the 2 seed is)? Here are the 2 seed RPIs.

(1) A&M: Liberty (26)
(2) OU: Cal (28)
(3) UF: GT (35)
(6) tu: UCF (30)
(8) SCar: UVA (27)
(9) UCLA: SDSU (28)
(11) Clemson: UK (39)

Haven't looked it up, but not sure if any of those teams were conference champions and 40+ game winners either.
The NCAA only seeds the #1 Seeds from 1-16. All #2,#3 and #4 Seeds are seen as the same.
So all #2 seeds are seen as equal and randomly (or regionally?) assigned to a region?
No. but they aren't seeded in order after 16…
Yes, that's obvious. Otherwise we might have gotten sip's 2 seed if you take air travel into account. I mean they were (by resume and RPI) the worst out of Liberty, Cal, and UCF.
If it costs less to fly to Austin…
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In reply to WC87 • 3:15p, 5/19/25
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Some of you are just insufferable.
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In reply to Wabs • 3:42p, 5/19/25
Wabs said:
TrackFan said:
Wabs said:
jkag89 said:
Wabs said:
We certainly got matched with a good 2-seed in our regional. Yes, we should have beat them but doesn't the number 1 seed usually get a better draw (as far as who the 2 seed is)? Here are the 2 seed RPIs.

(1) A&M: Liberty (26)
(2) OU: Cal (28)
(3) UF: GT (35)
(6) tu: UCF (30)
(8) SCar: UVA (27)
(9) UCLA: SDSU (28)
(11) Clemson: UK (39)

Haven't looked it up, but not sure if any of those teams were conference champions and 40+ game winners either.
The NCAA only seeds the #1 Seeds from 1-16. All #2,#3 and #4 Seeds are seen as the same.
So all #2 seeds are seen as equal and randomly (or regionally?) assigned to a region?

Sort of. The committee is obligated by the rules to place the non-seeded teams in regionals within the 400-mile driving distance maximum in order to reduce flying teams to regionals.

But, they do use "logic" trying to keep balance in each regional. There's a reason why unseeded Oklahoma State with an RPI of 17 was sent to Arkansas instead of in-state Oklahoma and to me it is due to not giving the higher seed the "tougher" seed as determined by the committee's rankings of the 2-seeds.

Most pre-brackets I saw had Kentucky as a 3-seed and Liberty as a 2-seed going to a nearby region in North Carolina or South Carolina. But, when the committee chose to make SEC Kentucky a 2-seed, that prevented UK from being sent to A&M and instead sent to Clemson where Liberty would have been a drive-in. The committee most likely ranked Liberty around #32 and they had to be flown somewhere.

The committee could just have easily sent Central Florida to College Station and Liberty to Austin, or Liberty to Norman, OK and California to College Station as all those 3 schools had to be flown somewhere.
Yes, I assumed travel is taken into account. But like you said, Cal and UCF both had to fly to their regional like Liberty did. I wonder what the reasoning was to send 30 RPI to #6 seed tu and 28 RPI to OU. Is it just random that we got 26 RPI Liberty?

Liberty: 26 RPI, 47-12, conference champions
Cal: 28 RPI, 35-19, 9th in the ACC
UCF: 30 RPI, 33-22, 7th in Big 12

Yes, we should have beaten Liberty, but it seems we got the toughest out the 3 travelling 2 seeds.

Winners and great coaches focus on beating who is in front of you and not who team X gets to play. If a coach starts complaining about who they have to play or making excuses for unacceptable losses, it is time to move on from that coach. Trisha Ford has done none of that. She realizes what happened and will come back with a vengeance next season.
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In reply to WC87 • 3:50p, 5/19/25
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And you would have some expertise in this area? She's been named as a coach for the USWNT. What are your credentials? Good lord this place is absolutely nuts.
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In reply to OrangeAlert • 4:20p, 5/19/25
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OrangeAlert said:
Wabs said:
TrackFan said:
Wabs said:
jkag89 said:
Wabs said:
We certainly got matched with a good 2-seed in our regional. Yes, we should have beat them but doesn't the number 1 seed usually get a better draw (as far as who the 2 seed is)? Here are the 2 seed RPIs.

(1) A&M: Liberty (26)
(2) OU: Cal (28)
(3) UF: GT (35)
(6) tu: UCF (30)
(8) SCar: UVA (27)
(9) UCLA: SDSU (28)
(11) Clemson: UK (39)

Haven't looked it up, but not sure if any of those teams were conference champions and 40+ game winners either.
The NCAA only seeds the #1 Seeds from 1-16. All #2,#3 and #4 Seeds are seen as the same.
So all #2 seeds are seen as equal and randomly (or regionally?) assigned to a region?

Sort of. The committee is obligated by the rules to place the non-seeded teams in regionals within the 400-mile driving distance maximum in order to reduce flying teams to regionals.

But, they do use "logic" trying to keep balance in each regional. There's a reason why unseeded Oklahoma State with an RPI of 17 was sent to Arkansas instead of in-state Oklahoma and to me it is due to not giving the higher seed the "tougher" seed as determined by the committee's rankings of the 2-seeds.

Most pre-brackets I saw had Kentucky as a 3-seed and Liberty as a 2-seed going to a nearby region in North Carolina or South Carolina. But, when the committee chose to make SEC Kentucky a 2-seed, that prevented UK from being sent to A&M and instead sent to Clemson where Liberty would have been a drive-in. The committee most likely ranked Liberty around #32 and they had to be flown somewhere.

The committee could just have easily sent Central Florida to College Station and Liberty to Austin, or Liberty to Norman, OK and California to College Station as all those 3 schools had to be flown somewhere.
Yes, I assumed travel is taken into account. But like you said, Cal and UCF both had to fly to their regional like Liberty did. I wonder what the reasoning was to send 30 RPI to #6 seed tu and 28 RPI to OU. Is it just random that we got 26 RPI Liberty?

Liberty: 26 RPI, 47-12, conference champions
Cal: 28 RPI, 35-19, 9th in the ACC
UCF: 30 RPI, 33-22, 7th in Big 12

Yes, we should have beaten Liberty, but it seems we got the toughest out the 3 travelling 2 seeds.

Winners and great coaches focus on beating who is in front of you and not who team X gets to play. If a coach starts complaining about who they have to play or making excuses for unacceptable losses, it is time to move on from that coach. Trisha Ford has done none of that. She realizes what happened and will come back with a vengeance next season.
We're in violent agreement about Coach Ford. She's a great coach and I'm sure she's not focused on what team goes where. That's what fans (like us) are for. We can wonder about things and that won't have any impact on the results. Wonder about things like RPI 30 UCF (33-22) going to Austin as the 2 seed, and 26 RPI Liberty (42-17) coming to the #1 overall seed's region.
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4:33p, 5/19/25
You don't have the best record in the nation against ranked opponents unless you are an elite team. They choked. Nothing more, nothing less.
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In reply to Wabs • 5:36p, 5/19/25
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The difference between RPI 26, 28, and 30 is pretty negligible.

OU run ruled their opponent. A true 1 should have done the same.
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In reply to 1876er • 6:10p, 5/19/25
1876er said:
The difference between RPI 26, 28, and 30 is pretty negligible.

OU run ruled their opponent. A true 1 should have done the same.


People are still trying to misplace blame? We lost because the coaches failed
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In reply to Blonde Coffee Beans • 6:37p, 5/19/25
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1876er said:
The difference between RPI 26, 28, and 30 is pretty negligible.

OU run ruled their opponent. A true 1 should have done the same.


People are still trying to misplace blame? We lost because the coaches failed
are you ever happy ?? at least regarding Aggie sports because i would suggest finding a new team to root for or give up college sports for a while

you are miserable about Aggie Athletics....it seems to define you
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In reply to Wicked Good Ag • 6:47p, 5/19/25
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Aggie Dad 26 said:
1876er said:
The difference between RPI 26, 28, and 30 is pretty negligible.

OU run ruled their opponent. A true 1 should have done the same.


People are still trying to misplace blame? We lost because the coaches failed
are you ever happy ?? at least regarding Aggie sports because i would suggest finding a new team to root for or give up college sports for a while

you are miserable about Aggie Athletics....it seems to define you
1000% troll or attention seeking. Ignore the muppet like the rest of us or you give her what she wants.
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In reply to Wicked Good Ag • 6:58p, 5/19/25
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I think we should fine our coaches when they pull choke jobs like this.

If you can't even make super regional as overall #1, you deserve some loss in pay, absolutely embarrassing. If I don't do my job, I get punished.

Should apply to all coaches, if you can't make post season definitely should lose pay. There has to be an incentive to perform. None of these coaches seem to care because they're still making in huge paychecks regardless of winning or losing.


You need to step away from the ledge my friend.

You are saying we should fire the coach who had us number one in the country because we lost two games to a good team

I hope you never make a mistake at work in someone else's eyes or using your philosophy you need to look for another job because you would be fired under your system.

Step away from the keyboard forget your password spend time outside
Never said to Fire her.
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In reply to Bucketrunner • 8:34p, 5/19/25
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Escobar is the best Rise Ball pitcher we had seen all year. I would venture she's the best in the country.
Gig'em, Ole Army Class of '70
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In reply to Wabs • 8:40p, 5/19/25
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What I have been saying. #One National seed and we get the toughest #2 seed. To be the #1 National seed usually draws the easiest Regional because they have earned it.
Gig'em, Ole Army Class of '70
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In reply to Mark Fairchild • 9:03p, 5/19/25
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What I have been saying. #One National seed and we get the toughest #2 seed. To be the #1 National seed usually draws the easiest Regional because they have earned it.


We didn't get the toughest 2 seed necessarily, but we certainly got a tougher one than OU, Florida and sip (the #6 seed),
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9:09p, 5/19/25
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Probably shouldn't fire her, but I know this, Ford is never going to be able to overcome this epic failure. This is what she will be known for.

Kind of like UVA being the only 1 seed to lose to a 16 seed in basketball. However, like in the case of UVA, the only way to get rid of that career ending stink is to win a natty. That will never happen at A&M, never.

So what will end up happening is either Ford can stick it out here and be mediocre for years, maybe make it to one CWS, or go to another SEC school and start fresh. She'd probably be more succesful at another SEC school than here.
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In reply to Mark Fairchild • 9:33p, 5/19/25
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What I have been saying. #One National seed and we get the toughest #2 seed. To be the #1 National seed usually draws the easiest Regional because they have earned it.

I don't think you're getting what "toughest" 2-seed meant to the committee. It's not just based on RPI ranking.

The non-SEC 2-seeds who were not drive-ins to nearby regionals and had to be flown somewhere included:

- Virginia Tech: RPI 14; 5-6 versus RPI Top 25 -- Sent to #15 Alabama
- Stanford: RPI 16; 2-8 versus RPI Top 25 -- Sent to #16 Oregon
- Nebraska: RPI 25; 2-8 versus RPI Top 25 -- Sent to #10 LSU
- Liberty: RPI 26; 1-5 versus RPI Top 25 -- Sent to #1 A&M
- California: RPI 28; 2-11 versus RPI Top 25: Sent to #2 Oklahoma
- Central Fla.: RPI 30; 5-11-1 versus RPI Top 25 -- Sent to #6 Texas

Most likely, the committee did not like Liberty's 1-5 record against RPI Top 25 teams and ranked them lower than the other teams listed above who had more wins against RPI Top 25 teams (which is a criterion the committee uses).

There was only one Regional which did not include a team (other than the host) from a Power 4 conference, and it was College Station.


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10:37p, 5/19/25
Of all of our coaches to go after, she would be way, way down the line.
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In reply to 91AggieLawyer • 5:56a, 5/20/25
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Ford is a definite upgrade over Evans. She's improved the program every year since she's been here.

With that said, this regional was horrific. Not just bad, but horrific. There is no excuse for this team not being in the WCWS. Had they lost there in the semis, it would have been a decent to good season; finals loss, fine. 2 and done would have been, at best, disappointing. Had we lost next week, it would have been bad. But not getting to next week is inexcusable.

However, I don't think you burn the program down after one bad series. I do think there needs to be some fact finding from outside the softball program (AD) and some changes within from the coaches themselves -- identify clearly what went wrong this weekend and fix it. Going with "we didn't perform" or "didn't pitch well" or "weren't clutch" isn't going to cut it. Do away with the catch phrases and figure out what happened. Lack of external (scouting) prep; lack of practice/physical prep; lack of mental prep. Were there injuries that we didn't have personnel to fill in and overcome? Whatever it was -- and I can't answer that -- it MUST be figured out and not glossed over or we're looking at another Childress situation where regionals and super regionals are the norm and the occasional C(W)WS appearance is a decade apart.
We didn't pitch well.
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In reply to WC87 • 7:28a, 5/20/25
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Elite recruiter. Elite evaluator of talent.

Subpar in game management. Lets pitchers go way too far before pulling them. Doesn't use challenges effectively.


Yes, she has been evaluated. She is a hell of a coach. Keep her.
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WC87 said:
Elite recruiter. Elite evaluator of talent.

Subpar in game management. Lets pitchers go way too far before pulling them. Doesn't use challenges effectively.


Yes, she has been evaluated. She is a hell of a coach. Keep her.
Absolutely correct.
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8:48a, 5/20/25
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Our main pitcher choked when the bright lights were on her.

This is not baseball. To win you need one elite arm delivering. You don't need much depth. But you need that one arm delivering. She didn't. A&M is out. Sucks for her, the coaches, and everyone on the team.
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Thus making it and 98% of the other ideas on this and other threads totally preposterous.
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In reply to Monywolf • 5:23p, 5/20/25
That is one of many things we didnt do well.

baserunning errors, errors, walks, walks, walks, walks, two out walks, HBP's, failing to turn DP in first liberty game cost us that game and led to that big inning.

We didnt deserve to win and Ford not pitching Leavitt until the last game is boggling especially putting in Sparks who is just not any good and leftover from Jo. Liberty isnt beating Oregon they are a good team who took advantage of our sloppy play.

To further the pitching point its always easier hitting when the count is in your favor. 2-1, 3-1, first pitch groove ball such as what Sparks did just lobbing up meat balls.

Ford is a great coach what she has done in a short time is amazing in the best league.
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9:09a, 5/21/25
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Coach Ford's weakness was Emiley Kennedy when behind. It has been all year. Everyone knew she was going to force Lefty when it mattered, good or bad. She doesn't pull Lefty. And you had an absolute legend in Dot Richardson who knew it, prepared for it very well, and shut it down. Were there other issues, sure, but you've overcome them when Lefty is doing her thing. Liberty took her out of it.

Maybe need some reflection and improvement needed in game management. But Coach Ford is still a fantastic coach, and a flat out winner.

Do you "evaluate" her? Hell no. You go buy her a real Ace pitcher
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