Stadium expansion

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LOYAL AG said:

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I'm being selfish but I hope they don't ever expand to the point of reseating because I have 0 faith in the 12th Man Foundation not screwing over fans that have had same seats 10+ years.

If the expansion happens, I think there will 100% be a re-seating. They must take into account length of term for season ticket holders in addition to PP points, imo. But they could easily say baseball season ticket holders got fat by not making donations to the TMF since they didn't have to and punish them by re-seating based on PP.
They will have to reseat in order to give the big donors a reason to pony up. What I don't want to see is someone who has a high priority thanks to football donations edge out longtime season ticket holders just because they can. So, what I would do, as a compromise, is to do reseating in two phases. Phase One would be for major donors to the expansion project, setting a threshold like $500,000 or so, and existing season ticket holders. There would be a lot of movement but no one who has seats now would be pushed out. Then, Phase Two would be everyone based on priory points.


If they expand but don't do anything to the existing seats what's the justification for reseating? With Kyle they could argue that they tore down the entire west side so your seats didn't exist anymore. I don't think the plan they floated a couple of years ago included anything that drastic so I just don't see how they justify it. I've said for years if I get a chance to buy my existing tickets and can't afford them I'm fine but if I get forced out for someone with more priority points I'll politely decline and find something else to do with my time and money. They won't miss me but I've sat in that basic spot for 31 years and that should matter. If it doesn't so be it.
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Bondag said:

12th Man Ag said:

twk said:

12th Man Ag said:

Bondag said:

I'm being selfish but I hope they don't ever expand to the point of reseating because I have 0 faith in the 12th Man Foundation not screwing over fans that have had same seats 10+ years.

If the expansion happens, I think there will 100% be a re-seating. They must take into account length of term for season ticket holders in addition to PP points, imo. But they could easily say baseball season ticket holders got fat by not making donations to the TMF since they didn't have to and punish them by re-seating based on PP.
They will have to reseat in order to give the big donors a reason to pony up. What I don't want to see is someone who has a high priority thanks to football donations edge out longtime season ticket holders just because they can. So, what I would do, as a compromise, is to do reseating in two phases. Phase One would be for major donors to the expansion project, setting a threshold like $500,000 or so, and existing season ticket holders. There would be a lot of movement but no one who has seats now would be pushed out. Then, Phase Two would be everyone based on priory points.

Agreed. This is how it SHOULD be done, but the Kyle Field re-seating showed us they don't always make the best choices.

There will still be some season ticket holders burned by that process because even in the first wave, there will be some season ticket holders who came to the party late, but have significant priority points from football that will displace some long-term season ticket holders who have exceptional lower level seats. I don't think they will simply give existing season ticket holders the right of first refusal. They will still be ranked by Priority points, even though they get to select before non-season ticket holders.


I have season tix in big 3 but know some around me don't. I really just don't want to have to move out of shade.
. I'm happy in section 102 even when it is day game during May or June. I don't want to lose these seats.
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Tex100 said:

LOYAL AG said:

twk said:

12th Man Ag said:

Bondag said:

I'm being selfish but I hope they don't ever expand to the point of reseating because I have 0 faith in the 12th Man Foundation not screwing over fans that have had same seats 10+ years.

If the expansion happens, I think there will 100% be a re-seating. They must take into account length of term for season ticket holders in addition to PP points, imo. But they could easily say baseball season ticket holders got fat by not making donations to the TMF since they didn't have to and punish them by re-seating based on PP.
They will have to reseat in order to give the big donors a reason to pony up. What I don't want to see is someone who has a high priority thanks to football donations edge out longtime season ticket holders just because they can. So, what I would do, as a compromise, is to do reseating in two phases. Phase One would be for major donors to the expansion project, setting a threshold like $500,000 or so, and existing season ticket holders. There would be a lot of movement but no one who has seats now would be pushed out. Then, Phase Two would be everyone based on priory points.


If they expand but don't do anything to the existing seats what's the justification for reseating? With Kyle they could argue that they tore down the entire west side so your seats didn't exist anymore. I don't think the plan they floated a couple of years ago included anything that drastic so I just don't see how they justify it. I've said for years if I get a chance to buy my existing tickets and can't afford them I'm fine but if I get forced out for someone with more priority points I'll politely decline and find something else to do with my time and money. They won't miss me but I've sat in that basic spot for 31 years and that should matter. If it doesn't so be it.
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I've had season tickets for 31 years in the same area. Today I'm a few feet from where I was in 1996 when I first purchased them. I attended every home game of the 2000 season where we ended on like a 20 game losing streak and kept paying for them when my kids schedules meant I got to 5-6 games a year. I've earned some loyalty from the program and forcing me out of seats I've had for three decades isn't that. Loyalty is a two way street. If that bothers you i don't care.
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redsquirrelAG said:

Could anyone answer where we stand on season ticket availability and stadium expansion options?

I used to split my donations between the football excellence fund and the baseball excellence fund. I called the 12th Man Foundation in December 2025 and asked when plans for BBP expansion would be on any agenda, and was told there has been NO discussion and all focus was on the Player Development Facilities.

As such, I re-allocated 100% of my donations to the Football Excellence Fund, and informed the 12th Man Foundation I would re-allocate monies to Baseball when the University/Athletic Dept prioritized expanded seating.
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Well, they aren't going to do that until there are funds soooooooooooo
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trouble said:

Well, they aren't going to do that until there are funds soooooooooooo

Give me a plan and put it on an agenda for discussion to show you're serious about it, and I'll open the wallet, so . . . . . . . .
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gravy028 said:

trouble said:

Well, they aren't going to do that until there are funds soooooooooooo

Give me a plan and put it on an agenda for discussion to show you're serious about it, and I'll open the wallet, so . . . . . . . .

The plan is when the big donors write the check they'll expand. They just got those guys to pay for playerfacility which everyone said where more important than more seating
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Complete lack of vision when they built BB.

We leave so much money on the table with lack of capacity / premium seating …
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Leander - Ag said:

Complete lack of vision when they built BB.

We leave so much money on the table with lack of capacity / premium seating …

If there was money to be made by expanding, we would have done it a long time ago. Whatever we build will not pay for itself. That's why we haven't built anything in the way of fan amenities, yet. Until we have enough money donated for this project, it's not happening.
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cypress-ag said:

Extend seats along first and third base and add some permanent seats on outfield fence and cut the temporary seats. All the surveys were about club seats and exclusive seating. Not everyone cashed out of an ownership position of an oil and gas company. The berms are the WORST

bleachers arent much better
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A is A said:

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So, cheap seats are needed... But cheap seats suck?

The berms fill a real niche which is why hundreds of stadiums in college and MiLB use them.


Not even close. Consider where College Station is located, and you're never going to have casual fans drive between 1 and 3 hours to watch a game from a grass berm, assuming they'll find a comfortable spot.


Never? I bring my family of 5 to a game (sometimes two if sports anlign) every year and love the berm experience. Wish there was more berm! Need an outfield berm.


I absolutely despise the berms. I stand in the concourse just behind the yellow line before I sit in the berm areas. Been doing it for years now. I'd be all in for season tickets or even single game GA down the expanded first and third base lines, if ever created. Of course, I'm not the one writing a colossal check for expansion.
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Too bad Mr Aplin is not a baseball fan, could upgrade it to Bluebell Park/Buc-ee's Field and make it better than Miss States,
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Leander - Ag said:

Complete lack of vision when they built BB.

We leave so much money on the table with lack of capacity / premium seating …


That's not fair. Blue Bell happened a year before the SEC move was announced. At that time tickets weren't as in demand as they are now so the decision was made to reduce capacity but make the overall experience nicer. I think if we make the decision a year later we probably build 2500 additional permanent seats.
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Buford T. Justice said:

The bleachers along the right field line were typically, and largely empty unless it was a big series.
We also didn't play in the SEC.
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Bluebell is not expanding anytime soon.

It's a pretty nice place compared to lets say.....REED ARENA
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Dr. Horrible said:

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We can't fill up for our own regional elimination game. Don't need to expand…


Again not remotely relevant and it's frustrating people are giving stars to posts that don't demonstrate any understanding of the topic at hand. Every game the Ags played last weekend was busting at the seems except the Monday night "if necessary" game and that's your indictment of the fanbase? More to the topic of expansion thats your measure of demand for tickets?

Demand for season tickets at Olsen far outpaces supply even as prices go up annually. Thats a simple truth thats proved multiple times a year when people ask this exact question. There are people that have been waiting for years to get season tickets to A&M Baseball with no luck. It's almost certainly the hardest ticket in the athletic department. Demand is there, that's undeniable.

Demand for season tickets does not equate to demand for going to most baseball games. People want season tickets to guarantee they can go to the few most popular games a year that have the highest demand. They don't want season tickets to go to the whole season as evidenced by the rest of the season, and that's not a good reason for stadium expansion. If you want to talk about better ways to get unused seats into the hands of people that want them, I'm all for it, that is a legit problem. But we don't need a bigger stadium to have more empty seats for the vast majority of the games, there just isn't support for it across the whole season. And once there is, I'll be the first one in line banging the drum for expansion. I want nothing more than us consistently selling out a 15k stadium, because I love this team and this sport that much, but expansion means we need more fans to make this a commitment rather than a convenience.


I've been a season ticket holder for football since 2014 and I can't get a sniff at season tickets at baseball. I ask and I'm told there are none available
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Dr. Horrible said:

LOYAL AG said:

Dr. Horrible said:

We can't fill up for our own regional elimination game. Don't need to expand…


Again not remotely relevant and it's frustrating people are giving stars to posts that don't demonstrate any understanding of the topic at hand. Every game the Ags played last weekend was busting at the seems except the Monday night "if necessary" game and that's your indictment of the fanbase? More to the topic of expansion thats your measure of demand for tickets?

Demand for season tickets at Olsen far outpaces supply even as prices go up annually. Thats a simple truth thats proved multiple times a year when people ask this exact question. There are people that have been waiting for years to get season tickets to A&M Baseball with no luck. It's almost certainly the hardest ticket in the athletic department. Demand is there, that's undeniable.

Demand for season tickets does not equate to demand for going to most baseball games. People want season tickets to guarantee they can go to the few most popular games a year that have the highest demand. They don't want season tickets to go to the whole season as evidenced by the rest of the season, and that's not a good reason for stadium expansion. If you want to talk about better ways to get unused seats into the hands of people that want them, I'm all for it, that is a legit problem. But we don't need a bigger stadium to have more empty seats for the vast majority of the games, there just isn't support for it across the whole season. And once there is, I'll be the first one in line banging the drum for expansion. I want nothing more than us consistently selling out a 15k stadium, because I love this team and this sport that much, but expansion means we need more fans to make this a commitment rather than a convenience.

I don't think you understand, but there are a lot of season ticket holders who are happy with just attending a few games a year, but purchase the entire season. This is why they came up with the half season ticket option. Empty seats doesn't mean unsold tickets, as season tickets have been sold out for years now.
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oldarmyag95 said:

Bluebell is not expanding anytime soon.

It's a pretty nice place compared to lets say.....REED ARENA


You know this or are you speculating?
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Angry Beaver said:

Dr. Horrible said:

LOYAL AG said:

Dr. Horrible said:

We can't fill up for our own regional elimination game. Don't need to expand…


Again not remotely relevant and it's frustrating people are giving stars to posts that don't demonstrate any understanding of the topic at hand. Every game the Ags played last weekend was busting at the seems except the Monday night "if necessary" game and that's your indictment of the fanbase? More to the topic of expansion thats your measure of demand for tickets?

Demand for season tickets at Olsen far outpaces supply even as prices go up annually. Thats a simple truth thats proved multiple times a year when people ask this exact question. There are people that have been waiting for years to get season tickets to A&M Baseball with no luck. It's almost certainly the hardest ticket in the athletic department. Demand is there, that's undeniable.

Demand for season tickets does not equate to demand for going to most baseball games. People want season tickets to guarantee they can go to the few most popular games a year that have the highest demand. They don't want season tickets to go to the whole season as evidenced by the rest of the season, and that's not a good reason for stadium expansion. If you want to talk about better ways to get unused seats into the hands of people that want them, I'm all for it, that is a legit problem. But we don't need a bigger stadium to have more empty seats for the vast majority of the games, there just isn't support for it across the whole season. And once there is, I'll be the first one in line banging the drum for expansion. I want nothing more than us consistently selling out a 15k stadium, because I love this team and this sport that much, but expansion means we need more fans to make this a commitment rather than a convenience.

I don't think you understand, but there are a lot of season ticket holders who are happy with just attending a few games a year, but purchase the entire season. This is why they came up with the half season ticket option. Empty seats doesn't mean unsold tickets, as season tickets have been sold out for years now.

I understand perfectly, since I sit there game in and game out with all these empty seats around me while people complain about not being able to go to games. I feel like you're making the same point. How about something like "if you don't scan in 75% of your tickets, or at least list them for sale or give back to TMF for resale, then you can't renew your season tickets", I'd be game for something like that before we expand so that more people buy season tickets to go to 5 games a year… then if we prove we are filling up consistently, we can really talk about expansion and I'll be first in line to do it!
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Jaxson11 said:

oldarmyag95 said:

Bluebell is not expanding anytime soon.

It's a pretty nice place compared to lets say.....REED ARENA


You know this or are you speculating?

Why do think it's happening soon? We don't have any plans, a budget or donations lined up to pay for it. I mean I guess they might be keeping it secret.

Anytime soon to me means in the next 2 years

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BQ_90 said:

Jaxson11 said:

oldarmyag95 said:

Bluebell is not expanding anytime soon.

It's a pretty nice place compared to lets say.....REED ARENA


When A&M wins a natty all this will change. Tennessee talked about expansion for years. Once the Natty was secured, big donor money arrived, and it was done within 9 months. Sadly, the "If you build it, they will come" mentality only works in the movies. Today, it's more of what have you done for me lately.

You know this or are you speculating?

Why do think it's happening soon? We don't have any plans, a budget or donations lined up to pay for it. I mean I guess they might be keeping it secret.

Anytime soon to me means in the next 2 years


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It says "NOT expanding anytime soon"
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i don't know what orange is responding to. And i was asking the poster i replied to a question. Why does anyone think we're expanding. Many on here seem to think we are
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i don't know what orange is responding to. And i was asking the poster i replied to a question. Why does anyone think we're expanding. Many on here seem to think we are

I think it was after the 2024 season, TMF sent out a survey asking about a lot of different expansion scenarios including clubs in the outfield and all kinds of different options. I think that made a lot of people assume expansion was imminent if they were that far along in the planning to be able to send out the scenarios that were being considered.
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but it's been repeated on here over and over and over again there aren't any hard plans. People keep showing the same renderings that never have been approved.
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I wish we would have just lumped turning the LF berm into permanent seating into the current projects. It couldn't have added more than $1M to the overall cost.

Sitework and concrete to stairstep the berm on a 4,000 SF area, I would be shocked if it ran more than $50/SF, assume 900 seats at $500 per for seat and hardware - $450,000.

My back of the napkin math would have that at $650K and it would make the stadium look so much better versus the temporary bleachers we have now. I'm sure we spend more than $100K/year to rent the temp bleachers.
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The bleachers look awful.
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There won't be any expansion Blue Bell Park for at least the next 5 years because we don't have the budget or donations prepared for it.
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Nothing is going to happen until Jimbo is off of the ledger. I do think they need to extend lower level seating down both foul lines.
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Dr. Horrible said:

BQ_90 said:

i don't know what orange is responding to. And i was asking the poster i replied to a question. Why does anyone think we're expanding. Many on here seem to think we are

I think it was after the 2024 season, TMF sent out a survey asking about a lot of different expansion scenarios including clubs in the outfield and all kinds of different options. I think that made a lot of people assume expansion was imminent if they were that far along in the planning to be able to send out the scenarios that were being considered.


Yeah that was a survey to ask how much they could raise ticket prices, at least that was my conclusion when I got my 2025 renewal. I remember being asked how much I was willing to pay for seats in various locations. I chose like $1200/seat for 103 which was the highest and lo and behold that was the price for 2025.
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I remember my answer being something like "yeah, I'm not paying more money for worse seats just to say its a 'club environment'".

That and whatever renovation we eventually end up doing, I really hope we can keep visibility to the train and Aggie Alley.
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Dr. Horrible said:

I remember my answer being something like "yeah, I'm not paying more money for worse seats just to say its a 'club environment'".

That and whatever renovation we eventually end up doing, I really hope we can keep visibility to the train and Aggie Alley.


With you there. I just want to stay in 103. I have been very consistent here in that I won't renew at all if they basically kick me out of 103 without even the choice to pay more for them. In other words if they reseat based on priority points and I'm told my new seats are in left field I'll just stop going. If they tell me it's now $5k/seat or I can move that's fine, I'll make a decision at that time. 31 years old n the same spot deserves the right to make that decision.
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I was informed he was off the ledger.
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