New MLB Draft Rules Proposal

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WhoopN06
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Very intriguing.
greg.w.h
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Removing high school students is like the NBA possibly with a G League alternative one year after high school.

The rest is buying a salary cap from the MLBPA…
RED AG 98
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LOVE -- HS players not draft-eligible

HATE -- college players draft eligible after 2 years

NET -- I need more time to think but initial reaction is I'm not a fan.
LB12MEEN
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So basically the pros want HS players to get two more years maturer before having to deal with them. Thus not waste time on scouting HS players. Just scout college in the US.

Baseball is finally learning from football it appears.

At first glance, I like it bc I don't watch minor league baseball and keeping all the talent in college will be nice.
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sounds like a bad idea for the truly elite high school players

it would make them wait 2 years for their big payday

and a lot can happen in 2 years

kind of pushing the cost down to the colleges for those guys
WhoopN06
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I wonder if they will lower the number of years that MLB teams own the rights of players in conjunction with this? If not it really reads as a way for them to reduce potential career earnings for players.
WhoopN06
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Exactly.
LB12MEEN
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Yes

As I a said. Baseball is learning from football. Makes total sense for them. Doubt the players side will go for it though.
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AgRyan04
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It'll make the counting records more and more unbreakable if it pushes back the average MLB debut age
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I hate that the union (run by more senior players) negotiates under FMV deals for new players so free agents (typically with 6+ years) can be grossly overpaid. I understand younger players are represented by the union, but potential draft picks are not and there is only 1 entity (MLB) competing for their services.

I'm also not sure how the minimum draft age of 20 is legal. My recollection is age restrictions are only legal if there are physical demands that prevent a young person from doing the job (like the NFL). We literally had a 19 year old make his debut this season, less than 2 years after graduating HS.

The current system isn't broken. Owners are just trying to cut costs and the easiest way to do it is to squeeze money out of future players that don't have a seat at the table and have no negotiating power. I realize MLB has an antitrust exemption, but they shouldn't and BS like this will make them lose it.
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I wish they would do the same for NBA, or at least make them have 3 years of college ball. Would make college basketball awesome.
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W said:

sounds like a bad idea for the truly elite high school players

it would make them wait 2 years for their big payday

and a lot can happen in 2 years

kind of pushing the cost down to the colleges for those guys
Wouldn't they make a ton of money in college?
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Looks like it probably won't happen.

W
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Bobby Witt jr signed for $7.7 MM as the 2nd overall pick in the 2019 draft

maybe Tech would give him a 2-year $8 MM NIL equivalent deal
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Ag1188 said:

W said:

sounds like a bad idea for the truly elite high school players

it would make them wait 2 years for their big payday

and a lot can happen in 2 years

kind of pushing the cost down to the colleges for those guys
Wouldn't they make a ton of money in college?

More than likely, many will make more money. Treated much more like mlb players in relation to travel, diet and facilities. Two or 3 years of physical and mental maturity makes it easier on all parties.
But I can't see university programs or fans going for the 2 years.
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how large of an NIL budget can a non-revenue sport have?

we're talking $3 MM or $4 MM or $5 MM per year for one elite HS player

top programs currently spend that amount for their entire roster

a smart A.D. wants that kind of money spent on the football team
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RED AG 98 said:

LOVE -- HS players not draft-eligible

HATE -- college players draft eligible after 2 years

NET -- I need more time to think but initial reaction is I'm not a fan.


I like it. Brauny had said every freshman we lost on the draft is doing well in the minors. Also I think there will be less transfer portal reliance. It will shift back to HS recruiting mattering a lot more than it does now.

We'll get Lash Henderson on campus next year. #1 player in the state by some publications.

But if 5 for 5 is passed there will be more leverage years. It will be easy for a stud sophomore to come back.
LB12MEEN
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MLB must be hurting for them to want to make this change. It will be interesting to see where things end up.
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LB12MEEN
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I think a stud sophomore would easily be gone.

Assuming stud means a 1st round pick.
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LB12MEEN said:

I think a stud sophomore would easily be gone.

Assuming stud means a 1st round pick.

That scenario, yes. But in a shortened draft all rounds have more value. Even if you did 50/50 in terms of position players and pitchers it's still just 6 rounds for both.

What would international players do? That I don't know, but they aren't being drafted currently. Have a separate draft for them? I don't know. I'm not heavy into the draft. I just follow what it does to our incoming freshman class.
Rudyjax
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This will dramatically improve the play of college baseball.
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If this happens, college baseball is going to have to re-evaluate roster limits. This is crazy to think about the ripple effect through all levels.
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I don't think we'll like the results. Now, college baseball players are in college because they want to be. Unlike football and basketball players, many of whom attend college because it's their only their pathway to the pros. We see the difference in the culture of college baseball vs football/basketball.
Wicked Good Ag
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Puts the money on alumni of schools instead of MLB. I can see why they want that
AggieEP
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Everything about this proposal is trash. MLB is counting on fans to just think... oh this will make college baseball amazing, I like it.

But as mentioned, this is nothing but a wild attempt by the owners to control and reduce costs. They'd be able to fire most of their area scouts and drastically reduce the cost of talent acquisition by consolidating amateur talent in major colleges and shrinking the amateur bonus pool almost by half.

Also, despite their claims, it almost assuredly would mean most players would not debut until later on average which would reduce the potential career earnings of all future players.

This is just another PR stunt by them to try and get public opinion on their side for the coming battle with the player's union.
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MLB fans won't care. They only care when the player hits the majors not some HS kid in a ball
AggieEP
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I can agree that your typical MLB fan doesn't care if a kid is in A ball or a freshman at UCLA if that is what you are getting at.

However there is a ton of crossover between college baseball fans and MLB fans, and the owners are putting this out there because they think that it'll win over a few more fans to their side in the coming battle with the union as your typical college baseball fan would probably favor having all of the top prep baseball players be forced to go to college.

The owners now are saying they are negotiating for "competitive balance" and "improving amateur baseball" and all kinds of other BS when their true objective is pretty clear.

This is going to be a very public battle between the owners and players, and the owners have been on the offensive with these dumb proposals which are ostensibly addressed to the players, but which are being released to the public in an obvious attempt to use public support for their proposals as a negotiating tactic against the players. I strongly feel that these negotiations should be private between the two parties because it's incredibly unfair for the players to have to defend their right to make money off of their skills in the public sphere. The owners hide in their suites, but the players are the faces of these franchises and will be the ones who endure public ridicule when the strike happens.
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themissinglink said:



I'm also not sure how the minimum draft age of 20 is legal.
My recollection is age restrictions are only legal if there are physical demands that prevent a young person from doing the job

The current system isn't broken. Owners are just trying to cut costs and the easiest way to do it is to squeeze money out of future players that don't have a seat at the table and have no negotiating power. I realize MLB has an antitrust exemption, but they shouldn't and BS like this will make them lose it.


Professional sports have Players unions because it allows for things that would otherwise be not allowed.
What Professional Teams do would not be allowed in a traditional work environment
for example: drafting a player , having his exclusive rights where he could only work for you or trading a persons rights to another team would not be allowed in a traditional work environment.

The CBA between ownership and players solves all of those problems

Yes they are trying to cut costs but I Think it is going to be through cutting scouting personnel, possibly eliminating 1 level of minor league ball and eliminating the occasional high draft pick bust

Anti Trust I don't think is an issue because this is player unions and CBA related stuff like the leagues have

Players who have actual MLB careers will make about the same amount of money. The losers will be players that went straight to the minors as a high pick and did not pan out. Those guys will be making NIL at an SEC school which currently is less than what high picks get as a signing bonus
LB12MEEN
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Yeah, it would be horrible if decisions were made in interest of the fans.
Gig ‘Em Baby!
AggieEP
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I'm not sure I understand your sarcasm here. If you were in a negotiation over work conditions and compensation with your employer you would welcome your employer to run a psyops campaign to undermine your negotiating position by using propaganda to rile up fans to put pressure on you to accept the employers terms?

If the answer is yes, you are just the kind of simple man the owners are looking for as they try to bully the players.
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Shot down already by MLBPA. At least initial pass.

Miles Finch
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W said:

sounds like a bad idea for the truly elite high school players

it would make them wait 2 years for their big payday

and a lot can happen in 2 years

kind of pushing the cost down to the colleges for those guys

College or Professional overseas leagues (Japan/Korea).
milner79
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Wicked Good Ag said:

Puts the money on alumni of schools instead of MLB. I can see why they want that


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