This is what makes no sense, the approach being taken is not logical or practical economically.

He freely admits that the normal distribution curve is not accurate in the article. If anything, wouldn't front loading it like he mentions it would more likely occur would be an even worse case scenario?

Fenrir said:

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He freely admits that the normal distribution curve is not accurate in the article. If anything, wouldn't front loading it like he mentions it would more likely occur would be an even worse case scenario?

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His numbers might be off, but at least he has numbers and a metric and limits. The other plot seems like propaganda to get everyone onboard, yet we don't even know what we're shooting for.

I'm not a fan of total lockdown. I don't think it will work in the US with how spread out we are, and our culture. I'm more on board with the UK approach.

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aggierogue said:

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If you are going to keep schools open, you may as well keep everything open. The logic of banning gatherings of 50 or more but green lighting schools is astounding.

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Most students are not high risk, take out the high risk employees and students and let schools continue. The current option of having all non high risk people stop their businesses and go bankrupt is what I find astounding.

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The average age for a Professor at TAMU is 60.0 so there's that. Are you going to take out all the professors from the class room?

https://dars.tamu.edu/Faculty/files/Faculty-Profile-Fall-2018v2.aspx

Yes, take them out or go online Are you going to shut down all of our economy for months on end? Besides, many of them teach worth a crap anyway, and they have their TAs do all the work.

Whats the average age for elementary, middle and high school? Pull out the older ones, compensate them.

Current approach is to shut down everything, that's not viable.

OlSarge92 said:

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Yes, take them out or go online Are you going to shut down all of our economy for months on end? Besides, many of them teach worth a crap anyway, and they have their TAs do all the work.

Whats the average age for elementary, middle and high school? Pull out the older ones, compensate them.

Current approach is to shut down everything, that's not viable.

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Okay - now what do you do about the ones who's families are the primary care givers for elderly relatives? What about the ones who ride a bus driven by an older, at risk driver? What about those who's parents are medical doctors (i.e. will be around those that are fragile and at risk)?

You continue to act as if "low risk" speaks to contracting/spreading vs showing symptoms or becoming critically ill.

And nobody is saying shut down everything - the most I've seen legitimately proposed is to have kids do school online and have bars/restaurants close or go pickup only.

JDCAG (NOT Colin) said:

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OlSarge92 said:

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Yes, take them out or go online Are you going to shut down all of our economy for months on end? Besides, many of them teach worth a crap anyway, and they have their TAs do all the work.

Whats the average age for elementary, middle and high school? Pull out the older ones, compensate them.

Current approach is to shut down everything, that's not viable.

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Okay - now what do you do about the ones who's families are the primary care givers for elderly relatives? What about the ones who ride a bus driven by an older, at risk driver? What about those who's parents are medical doctors (i.e. will be around those that are fragile and at risk)?

You continue to act as if "low risk" speaks to contracting/spreading vs showing symptoms or becoming critically ill.

And nobody is saying shut down everything - the most I've seen legitimately proposed is to have kids do school online and have bars/restaurants close or go pickup only.

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What about, what about. The current plan doesn't have answer for everything either.

No, I am not acting as low risk in this manner, that is your assumption that you made up for some reason, My assumption is that everyone will get this, just like the flu. At the current rate. what is being pushed is effectively shutting down everything but big corporations that are already set up for work from home. The current path will bankrupt local businesses and other industries that can't operate remote.

Drawing this out 8 weeks, with the current hysteria will destroy peoples livelihood, and be a much worse situation.

aggierogue said:

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If you are going to keep schools open, you may as well keep everything open. The logic of banning gatherings of 50 or more but green lighting schools is astounding.

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Again, that's not correct. The kids have already been around each other. Class sizes should be under 30. You can isolate them to their current exposure. Limit class cross exposure, eat lunch with only classmates in the classroom or outside by class. Don't allow outsiders on campus (sports, extra-curriculars, etc.)

Large districts are screwed. Thet can hardly manage normal day to day. Normal mismanagement aside, no chance to mitigate something complex and unique like this.

Lots of smaller schools and districts can while still adequately educating the children while not imposing additional burdens on families and the economy.

AgLA06 said:

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aggierogue said:

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If you are going to keep schools open, you may as well keep everything open. The logic of banning gatherings of 50 or more but green lighting schools is astounding.

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Again, that's not correct. The kids have already been around each other. Class sizes should be under 30. You can isolate them to their current exposure. Limit class cross exposure, eat lunch with only classmates in the classroom or outside by class. Don't allow outsiders on campus (sports, extra-curriculars, etc.)

Large districts are screwed. Thet can hardly manage normal day to day. Normal mismanagement aside, no chance to mitigate something complex and unique like this.

Lots of smaller schools and districts can while still adequately educating the children while not imposing additional burdens on families and the economy.

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Yeah, we'll just agree to disagree.

AgLA06 said:

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aggierogue said:

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If you are going to keep schools open, you may as well keep everything open. The logic of banning gatherings of 50 or more but green lighting schools is astounding.

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Again, that's not correct. The kids have already been around each other. Class sizes should be under 30.You can isolate them to their current exposure. Limit class cross exposure, eat lunch with only classmates in the classroom or outside by class. Don't allow outsiders on campus (sports, extra-curriculars, etc.)

Large districts are screwed. Thet can hardly manage normal day to day. Normal mismanagement aside, no chance to mitigate something complex and unique like this.

Lots of smaller schools and districts can while still adequately educating the children while not imposing additional burdens on families and the economy.

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Lol. At the elementary level maybe. But once you get to middle and high school this goes out the window. Kids change classrooms multiple times a day, classes are larger, they collectively eat lunch in a cafeteria, etc.

I've had classes as big as 36 and there is an algebra class in my district with 50+ kids in a single class

That's what I'm getting at. Every school is different in yet the demand for closures from the public isn't. There are schools that are exactly what I wrote and others that aren't.

That's why the current recommendation is to not close unless there's an actual case in the school.