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Did you not get the point that she would have ultimately died once she contracted the virus? As will many healthcare providers. Me included. It's the field I chose and I accept the risk.

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Maybe. Or we continue to find better treatment options and she doesn't die whenever her inevitable infection comes along.

I was going to respond like you did but realized likely that individual doesn't see rational thought.

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Yup ... you can want the economy to get going all you want ... Until you shore up the hospitals with enough PPE/Ventilators/etc, the economy is not coming back no matter what you do ... panic/fear is not going away

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So if it takes 6 months to "shore up" the hospitals, you think the economy, and the people, will be just fine? Just stay inside and hope?

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Yup ... you can want the economy to get going all you want ... Until you shore up the hospitals with enough PPE/Ventilators/etc, the economy is not coming back no matter what you do ... panic/fear is not going away

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That may be true in NY or other hot spots, but there are plenty of places in the country where that is not a reality. In those places we can resume business with proper social distancing and protocols to keep it under control. No different then how Soith Korea is managing it.

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Yup ... you can want the economy to get going all you want ... Until you shore up the hospitals with enough PPE/Ventilators/etc, the economy is not coming back no matter what you do ... panic/fear is not going away

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That may be true in NY or other hot spots, but there are plenty of places in the country where that is not a reality. In those places we can resume business with proper social distancing and protocols to keep it under control. No different then how Soith Korea is managing it.

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That sounds great until one guy in the small town gets it and shows signs 10 days later after he's infected a third of the town...who will then go infect the other two thirds.

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AggieJosh2002 said:

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Yup ... you can want the economy to get going all you want ... Until you shore up the hospitals with enough PPE/Ventilators/etc, the economy is not coming back no matter what you do ... panic/fear is not going away

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That may be true in NY or other hot spots, but there are plenty of places in the country where that is not a reality. In those places we can resume business with proper social distancing and protocols to keep it under control. No different then how Soith Korea is managing it.

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That sounds great until one guy in the small town gets it and shows signs 10 days later after he's infected a third of the town...who will then go infect the other two thirds.

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Except that's not hapening in South Korea. Again, they are managing it without shutting everything down.

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AggieJosh2002 said:

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Yup ... you can want the economy to get going all you want ... Until you shore up the hospitals with enough PPE/Ventilators/etc, the economy is not coming back no matter what you do ... panic/fear is not going away

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So if it takes 6 months to "shore up" the hospitals, you think the economy, and the people, will be just fine? Just stay inside and hope?

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I didnt say we will be just fine ... my point is that the economy is probably screwed either way. We have been ill-prepared for something like this despite numerous warnings about the possibility (not just this administration but previous ones as well) and now we are paying the price.

I don't know what the right answer is, but just going on living life to save the economy is probably not realistic even if you want to do it ... people are not going to be flying, going to restaurants, movies, etc until and unless they feel they are going to get care if it is needed and if hospitals get worse than Italy, I believe the panic/fear from that will destroy the economy on its own ... dont know what the short term solution is but right now I have not heard a plan going forward that I believe is actually going to save the economy

IMO ... If we can get better testing/antibody tests/etc in the next couple of weeks then I think there is hope to get people back more towards normalcy to a degree on a shorter time span. I also do agree the whole country doesnt need to be on a one-size fits all plan. NYC is going to need different restrictions than Montana

Dont know what the answer is, but "I'm willing to risk my life for the economic future of the country" is a noble gesture, but I don't think it is necessarily that simple no matter how much we wish it was.

I think most agree that the virus does affect (or has the potential to affect) everybody. I think most also would agree that there are folks out there much more likely to be affected than other folks (based on age, health condition and other factors). I also thank most people are very thankful to the incredible job the health care workers are doing to combat this virus. All that said other people are making enormous sacrifices as well. People are losing their businesses and jobs out there. People's day to day lives have dramatically changed and for some might not ever fully recover

It's not a black or white issue as to how to respond to a pandemic of this nature. A lot of people from all walks of life are making enormous sacrifices and those folks have the right to have their voice heard as well.

Not trying to be insensitive, what happened to her is a tragedy just like everyone affected by this. I will say healthcare workers know they are at risk everyday they show up to their job. Yes that risk is higher now than ever before but they are trained on PPE and a vast majority will go about their day with no issues. That being said if anyone in the world is hoarding medical supplies they should spend the rest of their lives behind bars. Our medical professionals NEED those items.

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Not trying to be insensitive, what happened to her is a tragedy just like everyone affected by this. I will say healthcare workers know they are at risk everyday they show up to their job. Yes that risk is higher now than ever before but they are trained on PPE and a vast majority will go about their day with no issues. That being said if anyone in the world is hoarding medical supplies they should spend the rest of their lives behind bars. Our medical professionals NEED those items.

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They are trained on PPE that they do not have .. they have not been training their whole life to re-use masks every day. Yes they know the risks, but the assumption has always been that as a country, we would make sure they have what they need to minimize that risk. We have failed the healthcare community as a country.

Football players know the risks associated with playing football, but that doesn't mean they want to go out there without pads and helmets.

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Yup ... you can want the economy to get going all you want ... Until you shore up the hospitals with enough PPE/Ventilators/etc, the economy is not coming back no matter what you do ... panic/fear is not going away

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That may be true in NY or other hot spots, but there are plenty of places in the country where that is not a reality. In those places we can resume business with proper social distancing and protocols to keep it under control. No different then how Soith Korea is managing it.

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That sounds great until one guy in the small town gets it and shows signs 10 days later after he's infected a third of the town...who will then go infect the other two thirds.

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Except that's not hapening in South Korea. Again, they are managing it without shutting everything down.

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Right, because they've been testing the hell out of people and opened hundreds of testing centers. They were shipping thousands of test kits a few weeks after their first infection. They identified a primary source of infection very early and locked that area down. When someone gets infected they trace back that person's contacts and isolate people as necessary. And their people cooperated with social distancing early on.

So yeah, except for us doing none of the things that they've done, I don't see why our cases would be any different.

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We are ramping up testing in short order. There will be at home testing kits available soon and drive through sites all over the country in walmarts, targets, CVS, etc... NY is already testing at volumes per capita that surpass South Korea. No reason we can't get there in short order. It may take longer to open up NY, but the rest of the country need not be held hostage waiting for that hot spot to be under control.

I agree with you, except that there's a decent chance we have a couple of other hotspots by week's end.

I'm not against the "isolate only the areas that need isolating and open up the rest of the country" approach. But we need to first take a couple of weeks to determine how many hotspots we truly have and if NYC is just a large outlier or if a lot of other areas are just lagging a week or two behind.

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Yup ... you can want the economy to get going all you want ... Until you shore up the hospitals with enough PPE/Ventilators/etc, the economy is not coming back no matter what you do ... panic/fear is not going away

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That may be true in NY or other hot spots, but there are plenty of places in the country where that is not a reality. In those places we can resume business with proper social distancing and protocols to keep it under control. No different then how Soith Korea is managing it.

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That sounds great until one guy in the small town gets it and shows signs 10 days later after he's infected a third of the town...who will then go infect the other two thirds.

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Except that's not hapening in South Korea. Again, they are managing it without shutting everything down.

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Right, because they've been testing the hell out of people and opened hundreds of testing centers. They were shipping thousands of test kits a few weeks after their first infection. They identified a primary source of infection very early and locked that area down. When someone gets infected they trace back that person's contacts and isolate people as necessary. And their people cooperated with social distancing early on.

So yeah, except for us doing none of the things that they've done, I don't see why our cases would be any different.

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South Korea sounds like a wonderful place to live, with an amazing hands on government that takes good care of their citizens. Amazing that more Americans don't want to move there.

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AggieJosh2002 said:

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Yup ... you can want the economy to get going all you want ... Until you shore up the hospitals with enough PPE/Ventilators/etc, the economy is not coming back no matter what you do ... panic/fear is not going away

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That may be true in NY or other hot spots, but there are plenty of places in the country where that is not a reality. In those places we can resume business with proper social distancing and protocols to keep it under control. No different then how Soith Korea is managing it.

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That sounds great until one guy in the small town gets it and shows signs 10 days later after he's infected a third of the town...who will then go infect the other two thirds.

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Except that's not hapening in South Korea. Again, they are managing it without shutting everything down.

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Right, because they've been testing the hell out of people and opened hundreds of testing centers. They were shipping thousands of test kits a few weeks after their first infection. They identified a primary source of infection very early and locked that area down. When someone gets infected they trace back that person's contacts and isolate people as necessary. And their people cooperated with social distancing early on.

So yeah, except for us doing none of the things that they've done, I don't see why our cases would be any different.

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We are ramping up testing in short order. There will be at home testing kits available soon and drive through sites all over the country in walmarts, targets, CVS, etc... NY is already testing at volumes per capita that surpass South Korea. No reason we can't get there in short order. It may take longer to open up NY, but the rest of the country need not be held hostage waiting for that hot spot to be under control.

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More testing is a great start, but missing that early window is why we're in the place we're in and why our cases are still steadily increasing. (Not to mention not doing all the other things.)

Doing things several weeks later is better than not at all, but it's silly to think the rate of spread won't be affected. It' also remains to be seen if the non hot spots stay that way, we can hope they do but it only takes one case to dramatically change that. And the amount of people who seem to think that social distancing doesn't apply to them aren't helping.