Richardson extends lock down until April 30th

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Richardson City Council ratified a disaster declaration March 23 that includes a mandatory shelter-in-place order for residents citywide. The order will remain in effect until April 30.

The order generally bars all public or private gatherings of any number of people occurring outside of one's residence. Exceptions include essential business operations and government work. Restaurants may remain open for takeout and delivery services only.

https://communityimpact.com/dallas-fort-worth/richardson/coronavirus/2020/03/23/breaking-richardson-issues-mandatory-shelter-in-place-order-through-april-30/?fbclid=IwAR0zbvFeH9QBCt8-2PNl_VLb2_30vMeBN6_I2k9N2xHth16s4_gTw9RokWA

My office is in Richardson.
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Why is Richardson extending their order 2-3 weeks beyond its other larger neighboring counties? I believe they mentioned in their press conference they could abate the order if warranted, but it seems their shutdown is more aggressive than everyone else in the state.
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Wow. So a total of 5 weeks? Or did it start prior to Monday?

I understand the need but I just don't think this is sustainable that long. The financial impact is going to be absolutely devastating.
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They are all going to do this. 2 weeks here, 3 weeks there, 5 week extensions.

Folks, this is going to last for 6 months minimum and it's terrifying.
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No way the economy can survive 6 months of lockdown. Nor can people deal with it mentally or emotionally.

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AggieAuditor said:

They are all going to do this. 2 weeks here, 3 weeks there, 5 week extensions.

Folks, this is going to last for 6 months minimum and it's terrifying.
Six months isn't possible. There won't be a country left after six months or you will basically have mass rebellion.
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I'm no expert, but it will not last for 6 months. I'm sure we'll see some reasonable restrictions in harder hit areas of the country, but I'm willing to bet that business gets back to some semblance of normal much sooner than that.
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My company has everyone working from home until April 3rd. HR is sticking with the April 3rd date despite Richardson's mandate. /shrug, we'll see how it plays out.
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Seems to be a little extreme given where we are now.

6 months of lock down would never happen.
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Their strategy appears to be to make the point of how serious this is and how serious they are about it.

Hopefully they and everyone else with longer timelines can remove those restrictions earlier.
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AggieAuditor said:

They are all going to do this. 2 weeks here, 3 weeks there, 5 week extensions.

Folks, this is going to last for 6 months minimum and it's terrifying.


It won't last 6 weeks much less 6 months.
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I've personally been in the 6-8 weeks camp (starting back when all sports/schools were shutdown) before things start moving towards 'better' instead of 'worse' on this...IF the majority of the American public generally follows the social distancing advice/rules and the nation as a whole has a reasonably coherent strategy that it is following. If a large segment of the population is just blowing off any restrictions or our country's strategy seems really disjointed because of politics or divisiveness, who knows.
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oglaw said:

AggieAuditor said:

They are all going to do this. 2 weeks here, 3 weeks there, 5 week extensions.

Folks, this is going to last for 6 months minimum and it's terrifying.


It won't last 6 weeks much less 6 months.

I've said 2 months starting back like 10 days ago.

But yeah, I don't see how we could be locked down for 6 months.
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I don't see how 2 months is a viable option. Even large businesses still operating are struggling to cope with the drain on resources this is causing. It's not a sustainable way of life.
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AggieAuditor said:

They are all going to do this. 2 weeks here, 3 weeks there, 5 week extensions.

Folks, this is going to last for 6 months minimum and it's terrifying.
I think the responses that will follow your 6 month proclamation will illustrate why it's being announced in smaller chunks. I don't believe it will be 6 months but I do believe 3 months is not out of the question.
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bay fan said:

AggieAuditor said:

They are all going to do this. 2 weeks here, 3 weeks there, 5 week extensions.

Folks, this is going to last for 6 months minimum and it's terrifying.
I think the responses that will follow your 6 month proclamation will illustrate why it's being announced in smaller chunks. I don't believe it will be 6 months but I do believe 3 months is not out of the question.
3 months and you're talking about 30%+ unemployment and a similar rate of bankruptcy among anything below the mid-market with even major corporations facing challenges. We're talking $2-3 trillion at that point. Worse than the Great Depression.

No chance this lasts through mid-to-late-June without a revolt.
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Buck, with deaths piling up it will be very hard to resume business as usual until this is managed. My personal opinion is it will be managed more quickly with less loss of life and economically if we crack down now.

The worst thing that can happen is a half assed approach either way.
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Buck Compton said:

bay fan said:

AggieAuditor said:

They are all going to do this. 2 weeks here, 3 weeks there, 5 week extensions.

Folks, this is going to last for 6 months minimum and it's terrifying.
I think the responses that will follow your 6 month proclamation will illustrate why it's being announced in smaller chunks. I don't believe it will be 6 months but I do believe 3 months is not out of the question.
3 months and you're talking about 30%+ unemployment and a similar rate of bankruptcy among anything below the mid-market with even major corporations facing challenges. We're talking $2-3 trillion at that point. Worse than the Great Depression.

No chance this lasts through mid-to-late-June without a revolt.
Good thing we wont see crime increase during the same time considering the dramatic unemployment and lots of young adult males with nothing to do for looooong periods of time. And good thing the police will be vigilant in their verification of essential workers and making sure kids and parents are not playing in public parks.
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bay fan said:

Buck, with deaths piling up it will be very hard to resume business as usual until this is managed. My personal opinion is it will be managed more quickly with less loss of life and economically if we crack down now.

The worst thing that can happen is a half assed approach either way.

I know you're being impacted psychologically by someone with no "identified" comorbidities that you know dying, but step back and address points logically.

Why would this possibly ever take 3 months of "crack down" to solve? And for most of the country, where are the deaths "piling up"? What do the next 3 months look like for the unemployed and furloughed.

In the end, Middle-aged people will take their relatively low risk of the virus killing them vs. the economic certainty of starvation, eviction, etc. if they can't work. If you don't let them work, they will take what they need.

You can suspend eviction for now, but they'll still fall behind. You can delay credit card processing. You can try to send out cash, but it won't put a dent on it.

You can't be locked down for 3 months. You can't.

This isn't about the stock market, it's about cash flow for about 70% of our society. I've yet to hear any economic recovery plan or argument that would work in that scenario. I'm waiting for someone to do it, and I'll listen. I really will. I don't want all this death, either, but we can't make emotional decisions.

This is the right short term approach, but you'll start to see serious degradation of society when May rent is due if people aren't back at work.

My goal would be to have things start to come back online by mid April. Call April 20th as a target date within my business before we have to consider layoffs. We're weathering the storm right now using WFH, but we need clients to keep the cash flow.
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bay fan said:

Buck, with deaths piling up it will be very hard to resume business as usual until this is managed. My personal opinion is it will be managed more quickly with less loss of life and economically if we crack down now.

The worst thing that can happen is a half assed approach either way.



Deaths aren't "piling up". You're either not paying attention or not paying attention to the correct, truthful data.
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You can ignore data and experience from other countries as well as the advice of the most highly educated, best able to guide us experts but the reality is without employing social distancing and shelter in place depending on where you are the deaths will stack up, simply from hospital overwhelm.
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bay fan said:

You can ignore data and experience from other countries as well as the advice of the most highly educated, best able to guide us experts but the reality is without employing social distancing and shelter in place depending on where you are the deaths will stack up, simply from hospital overwhelm.
.......YOU'RE the one ignoring the data/experience.

I suggest you read the stickied topic up top. You will learn a lot.

Also, stop hoarding groceries and TP... all of the experts are telling you to stop that as well.
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preface by saying any death is horrific and impossible to be nonchalant about. but it is equally true that public policy is a balancing act ALWAYS. healthcare policy decisions always result in impacts to death rates - from who gets insurance to who gets vaccinated, all have direct outcomes in mortality.

those worrying that we are out of balance have a valid concern.

- normal death rate in the USA every year us just under 0.9% of the total population.

- projecting death rate of COVID has to take out overlap of a portion who were sick/pre-existing condition at risk given the demographic that is most affected by this virus.

- it took from the crash of 1929 until 1933 to achieve peak unemployment in the US of 25%. on current course we may reach similar levels of unemployment in a few short months. people who disregard this concern are disproportionately salaried and not exposed to the downside so many (over 50% of the population) are facing.

- small businesses that close up will not all just 'reopen'. working capital and simple 'desire' to re-start a business will discourage many from trying. anybody who has launched and run an enterprise knows how hard it is to do, and to have to shut down then restart from scratch requires a huge commitment. once this is 'over', you cannot just flip a switch and have everybody go back to work.

- for all the evidence to the contrary over the past two decades, the US government is not a perpetual money machine. we cannot print our way out of this indefinitely - a sudden collapse like we are experiencing is unprecedented and will cause localized extreme violence, looting, social upheaval, and rifts that will take decades to repair. people asking questions about the tradeoffs we are making are not 'uncaring' or unfeeling.

i am grateful i'm not faced with making decisions about the public policy dilemma we are facing - it is the most difficult decision process our country has ever faced outside of declaring war. serious loss of life and societal upheaval will happen either way.



We're from North California, and South Alabam
and little towns all around this land...
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What I said was I don't believe "3 months is out of the question". I did not say I thought that should happen.

What I think should happen is we should seriously shelter in place for 3 weeks and re evaluate. What is useless is people thinking they don't need to follow these instructions if they are under them and undermining the effort of the rest of us. The economy will be decimated because the population centers that drive the economy are shut down and taking this seriously but the virus will still be spreading because individuals refuse to do what is necessary. Lose/lose. This will only slow the process.
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Bull***** Politicians always ****ing things up. Hopefully they can resend this if it gets better. How about a wait and see attitude instead of just extending it arbitrarily a ****ing month.
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I think most of the US will be back to normal by end of May. Texas will probably happen even sooner. From what I've read, a lot of people think this will slow down quite a bit as the weather gets warmer but no one really knows.
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Probably should see how things play out a bit longer before planning things so far out in the future. Weird to me people are doing this.
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rak1693 said:

I think most of the US will be back to normal by end of May. Texas will probably happen even sooner. From what I've read, a lot of people think this will slow down quite a bit as the weather gets warmer but no one really knows.
I think UAE, India, and Saudi will be good studies in this. All three have had tons of travelers before the outbreak and its about to get really really hot in those 3 places in the next 30 days.
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AggieAuditor said:

They are all going to do this. 2 weeks here, 3 weeks there, 5 week extensions.

Folks, this is going to last for 6 months minimum and it's terrifying.


Stop this tripe! Fomenting hysteria does not provide balance. You're not a seer.
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rak1693 said:

I think most of the US will be back to normal by end of May. Texas will probably happen even sooner. From what I've read, a lot of people think this will slow down quite a bit as the weather gets warmer but no one really knows.
Live in Panama (Tropical climate), and I have seen nothing here that indicates warm weather slows this thing down. I think that is a false hope. It seems to be pretty dang contagious regardless. The temperature is in high 80s/low 90s here year around. I'm going to bump the Panama thread I started with the updated numbers. We are currently in Day 16 here since the first case confirmed on March 8th.
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Pumpkinhead said:

rak1693 said:

I think most of the US will be back to normal by end of May. Texas will probably happen even sooner. From what I've read, a lot of people think this will slow down quite a bit as the weather gets warmer but no one really knows.
Live in Panama (Tropical climate), and I have seen nothing here that indicates warm weather slows this thing down. I think that is a false hope. It seems to be pretty dang contagious regardless. The temperature is in high 80s/low 90s here year around. I'm going to bump the Panama thread I started with the updated numbers. We are currently in Day 16 here since the first case confirmed on March 8th.



You seem to be adamant that temperature has nothing to do with the spread in both threads, but if everyone is staying in climate-controlled buildings, what would it matter the temperature outside.

I'm pretty confident that warmer climates do have something to do with it, but you aren't measuring multiple variables, just the control.
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Baba Booey said:

Pumpkinhead said:

rak1693 said:

I think most of the US will be back to normal by end of May. Texas will probably happen even sooner. From what I've read, a lot of people think this will slow down quite a bit as the weather gets warmer but no one really knows.
Live in Panama (Tropical climate), and I have seen nothing here that indicates warm weather slows this thing down. I think that is a false hope. It seems to be pretty dang contagious regardless. The temperature is in high 80s/low 90s here year around. I'm going to bump the Panama thread I started with the updated numbers. We are currently in Day 16 here since the first case confirmed on March 8th.

You seem to be adamant that temperature has nothing to do with the spread in both threads, but if everyone is staying in climate-controlled buildings, what would it matter the temperature outside.

I'm pretty confident that warmer climates do have something to do with it, but you aren't measuring multiple variables, just the control.
All I can mostly say is I live in a really hot place where this thing showed up, and it has seemed to spread pretty well here. I've posted the day-by-day numbers in that other thread.

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Pumpkinhead said:

Baba Booey said:

Pumpkinhead said:

rak1693 said:

I think most of the US will be back to normal by end of May. Texas will probably happen even sooner. From what I've read, a lot of people think this will slow down quite a bit as the weather gets warmer but no one really knows.
Live in Panama (Tropical climate), and I have seen nothing here that indicates warm weather slows this thing down. I think that is a false hope. It seems to be pretty dang contagious regardless. The temperature is in high 80s/low 90s here year around. I'm going to bump the Panama thread I started with the updated numbers. We are currently in Day 16 here since the first case confirmed on March 8th.

You seem to be adamant that temperature has nothing to do with the spread in both threads, but if everyone is staying in climate-controlled buildings, what would it matter the temperature outside.

I'm pretty confident that warmer climates do have something to do with it, but you aren't measuring multiple variables, just the control.
All I can mostly say is I live in a really hot place where this thing showed up, and it has seemed to spread pretty well here. I've posted the day-by-day numbers in that other thread.




I read both posts. I'm just saying, if everyone is quarantined indoors, what difference does where you live make?
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Baba Booey said:

Pumpkinhead said:

Baba Booey said:

Pumpkinhead said:

rak1693 said:

I think most of the US will be back to normal by end of May. Texas will probably happen even sooner. From what I've read, a lot of people think this will slow down quite a bit as the weather gets warmer but no one really knows.
Live in Panama (Tropical climate), and I have seen nothing here that indicates warm weather slows this thing down. I think that is a false hope. It seems to be pretty dang contagious regardless. The temperature is in high 80s/low 90s here year around. I'm going to bump the Panama thread I started with the updated numbers. We are currently in Day 16 here since the first case confirmed on March 8th.

You seem to be adamant that temperature has nothing to do with the spread in both threads, but if everyone is staying in climate-controlled buildings, what would it matter the temperature outside.

I'm pretty confident that warmer climates do have something to do with it, but you aren't measuring multiple variables, just the control.
All I can mostly say is I live in a really hot place where this thing showed up, and it has seemed to spread pretty well here. I've posted the day-by-day numbers in that other thread.


I read both posts. I'm just saying, if everyone is quarantined indoors, what difference does where you live make?
During the first several days, Just like the folks in Southern Cal and Florida, apparently, a lot of Panamanians were still hitting the beaches and having 'quarantine' parties (particularly the younger invulnerable types) and filling the parks playing soccer and basketball. Over time though, the lockdown by the authorities has become more and more aggressive. I got no idea though the cases caused by outdoor versus indoor contact. That data isn't available.
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Pumpkinhead said:

Baba Booey said:

Pumpkinhead said:

Baba Booey said:

Pumpkinhead said:

rak1693 said:

I think most of the US will be back to normal by end of May. Texas will probably happen even sooner. From what I've read, a lot of people think this will slow down quite a bit as the weather gets warmer but no one really knows.
Live in Panama (Tropical climate), and I have seen nothing here that indicates warm weather slows this thing down. I think that is a false hope. It seems to be pretty dang contagious regardless. The temperature is in high 80s/low 90s here year around. I'm going to bump the Panama thread I started with the updated numbers. We are currently in Day 16 here since the first case confirmed on March 8th.

You seem to be adamant that temperature has nothing to do with the spread in both threads, but if everyone is staying in climate-controlled buildings, what would it matter the temperature outside.

I'm pretty confident that warmer climates do have something to do with it, but you aren't measuring multiple variables, just the control.
All I can mostly say is I live in a really hot place where this thing showed up, and it has seemed to spread pretty well here. I've posted the day-by-day numbers in that other thread.


I read both posts. I'm just saying, if everyone is quarantined indoors, what difference does where you live make?
During the first several days, Just like the folks in Southern Cal and Florida, apparently, a lot of Panamanians were still hitting the beaches and having 'quarantine' parties (particularly the younger invulnerable types) and filling the parks playing soccer and basketball. Over time though, the lockdown by the authorities has become more and more aggressive. I got no idea though the cases caused by outdoor versus indoor contact. That data isn't available.


Well right, isn't that kind of the point of my questioning though? I'm not saying you're wrong in your statement, I'm saying there is not enough data to conclude that warmer weather has/does not have effect on COVID-19. That's all.

I appreciate your time posting the data, and no way was I questioning that, just curious how you came to your determination.
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