The OK Governor was slow to impose a modified "shelter in place" and closing non-essential businesses. He just did it late this afternoon - and ONLY for OK counties that have at least one positive case. Area wise, I'd guess half the state hasn't had a case yet. The "modified" shelter in place is because it only applies to the elderly and those with health issues.

So what did our Governor get for his sensible approach prior to late this afternoon? OK was on a msm list of seven states that were far behind in taking necessary steps to stop the virus. But when that list was published, OK had 44 cases and 2 deaths. Three days later (today) we now have 106 cases and 3 deaths. But our state and Governor were sullied and criticized by the msm as being woefully out of step.

I'm sure they will now complain that not all counties are included and the "shelter in place" is limited to elderly and health problems.

Just more virtue signaling

NormanAg said:

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The OK Governor was slow to impose a modified "shelter in place" and closing non-essential businesses. He just did it late this afternoon - and ONLY for OK counties that have at least one positive case. Area wise, I'd guess half the state hasn't had a case yet. The "modified" shelter in place is because it only applies to the elderly and those with health issues.

So what did our Governor get for his sensible approach prior to late this afternoon? OK was on a msm list of seven states that were far behind in taking necessary steps to stop the virus. But when that list was published, OK had 44 cases and 2 deaths. Three days later (today) we now have 106 cases and 3 deaths. But our state and Governor were sullied and criticized by the msm as being woefully out of step.

I'm sure they will now complain that not all counties are included and the "shelter in place" is limited to elderly and health problems.

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So you object to the facts being reported? Why? If your governor was correct it will become obvious he did the right thing. If he didn't, it will also be obvious. Why blame the MSM for reporting what is factual?

buildingchampions said:

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What is even the point then?

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I would say the point is to continue to work, but don't spend your leisure time outside the home. Go to work, come home, stay home.

It's a bit counter-intuitive, because if all jobs are essential, does that include the movie theater when people are told not to go out? I get the point though, go about your business, just avoid interacting with a lot of people, which means stay home.

Because the msm doesn't have a clue what is going on in OK? We are a very rural state, have only 19 out of 77 counties that have had at least one positive test, only 109 cases and 3 deaths as of yesterday. Governor Stitt only imposed the latest restrictions on those 19 counties, but every county that gets their first positive will be added to the list.

Just using statistics to make a point without investigating the underlying dynamics BEHIND those statistics is just lazy reporting. One side does not fit all.

Governor Stitt has and is doing what is necessary in our state while letting our many small towns that have had no exposure to keep their mom and pop stores and eating establishments open. Our state economy is suffering mightily from the double whammy of the virus and the crazy low oil prices. We don't need to shut down the entire state economy if we can help it. I applaud our Governor for using common sense in this crisis.

A list of those that are far behind in taking steps is a very subjective list. The list can be debated, which means it is geared more towards someone's opinion instead of fact.

Frisco sits right on the border between Denton and Collin County, with about half of the city in each. When Denton and Collin County put their ordinances into effect yesterday, Frisco decided to enforce Denton County's ordinance on the entire city. They decided that Denton County's more explicit definition of "Essential Personnel" was how they wanted to proceed.

Flounder Dorfman said:

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A list of those that are far behind in taking steps is a very subjective list. The list can be debated, which means it is geared more towards someone's opinion instead of fact.

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Hindsight will be telling one way or another. Not sure taking steps is subjective in my opinion, you either take them or you don't which seems black and white. If it's the right decision the OK governor will be lauded and proven right.

Do you agree with Gov Cuomo's pleas that Trump should impose "shelter in place" for the ENTIRE COUNTRY? I sure as hell don't. (Trying to keep this "non-political", but as I posted last night, that can be a very fine line that's very easy to cross.)

FarmerAg01 said:

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I live in Collin County and support the decision. The county judge stated you should practice social distancing and get up, go to work, and go home. No socializing in between.

I own a small company and it would be hard for me to keep my employees if they are forced to stay at home and not work.

We have very few outside customers and we sanitize our door and conference room before and after each customer. I think comparable in qty of people, Collin has done a great job in controlling the pandemic. We are fortunate to have lots of hospitals per capita as well.

The judge's point was that all jobs are essential for the financial well being of the county. Unless you are a business owner and have to worry about payroll, I don't think you understand the strain it puts on a company and the employees that work for you.

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This is great and all, but does nothing different. How can everyone go to work when so much is cut out? If you just simply get up, go to work, then go home, all types of businesses suffer. Therefore no point in many of them going to work.

So yeah, basically the same thing just in reverse order. It slowly cuts out the non-essential businesses rather than just enforcing the cut out of the non-essential businesses. Only one might argue that it does this slower and less effectively because some still don't follow the rules. The point is, people will typically go one step OVER what is enforced. Meaning breaking the rule just a little bit. Here, if nothing is specifically cut out, you'll still have the few morons who think it's a great idea to sit in a movie theater, or go to a crowded restaurant, etc.

It's really not that different than the Harris County memorandum. By the time you read through the business exemptions they really just require some retail closures. The orders are trying to connect with the people that are cruising around doing errands like nothing is going on. At this point I don't think they will ever get it.

That's not black and white for me. On one had, yes I do because in Northern Ca we have been SIP for 8 days and our curve appears to be flattening based upon early data. If other people continue to spread the virus and safeguards loosen up, it's only a matter of time before it is spread back here and our sacrifices for naught. I can not work. I do not have a pay check. I am good with that for the greater good but don't want it extended by some one traveling to visit family from an area not taking these precautions.

Though I see your point and actually agree that in areas without cases extreme measures are not warranted but I hope for quick action when (not if, but when)those areas report cases.

We are only as strong as the weakest link in this situation.

24 hours later, still sitting at 3 hospitalizations for a county of nearly 1,000,000.

willtackleforfood said:

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24 hours later, still sitting at 3 hospitalizations for a county of nearly 1,000,000.

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Looks like we flattened the curve. Everybody, no need to worry here. The laws of science, medicine, math and statistics do not apply in Collin County.

aggiehawg said:

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SIPO in place for 6 weeks.
Specifically calls out churches as non-essential.
Publishes $1,000 fines for people that gather more than 10 in essential areas or gather in non-essential.

So in practice:
A group of 11 people gather in a church in Richardson. Fined $1,000 a piece.

A group of 11 people gather in a law office in Richardson. No fines.

Collin County sends the right measured response as dictated by current circumstances with a reassessment happening in 7 days. That clear and without a heavy hand.

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I am quite uncomfortable with any government at any level interfering with the free exercise of religion. We couldn't and didn't shut down mosques after 9/11 even those the authorities identified as harboring terrorists.

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Shutting down a mosque during a terrorism threat and shutting down a church during a pandemic are two completely different things.

Hell, you could probably make the case that keeping a mosque open during a terrorism threat is probably a better idea for monitoring purposes.

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Hell, you could probably make the case that keeping a mosque open during a terrorism threat is probably a better idea for monitoring purposes.

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Not when the feds can't get authority to bug it, it isn't.

beerad12man said:

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FarmerAg01 said:

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I live in Collin County and support the decision. The county judge stated you should practice social distancing and get up, go to work, and go home. No socializing in between.

I own a small company and it would be hard for me to keep my employees if they are forced to stay at home and not work.

We have very few outside customers and we sanitize our door and conference room before and after each customer. I think comparable in qty of people, Collin has done a great job in controlling the pandemic. We are fortunate to have lots of hospitals per capita as well.

The judge's point was that all jobs are essential for the financial well being of the county. Unless you are a business owner and have to worry about payroll, I don't think you understand the strain it puts on a company and the employees that work for you.

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This is great and all, but does nothing different. How can everyone go to work when so much is cut out? If you just simply get up, go to work, then go home, all types of businesses suffer. Therefore no point in many of them going to work.

So yeah, basically the same thing just in reverse order. It slowly cuts out the non-essential businesses rather than just enforcing the cut out of the non-essential businesses. Only one might argue that it does this slower and less effectively because some still don't follow the rules. The point is, people will typically go one step OVER what is enforced. Meaning breaking the rule just a little bit. Here, if nothing is specifically cut out, you'll still have the few morons who think it's a great idea to sit in a movie theater, or go to a crowded restaurant, etc.

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I live in Collin County. As far as I know, movie theaters are closed and restaurants are still take out only. Gyms are still closed as well, as I work at one. What I can do and hope to continue to do (honestly, will continue to do as it's easy to hide in my gym as its dark plus even the strictest SiP rules allow for people to visit offices that are closed as it's essential to ensure no vandals have damaged anything and no pipes have broken or other issues have happened. Plus I live right by it so I can walk there) is go to the gym by myself to do some office work, clean and get in a good training session. I am working on also potentially doing virtual session from the gym for clients and members. I am at risk, so I get the issues there. But I am the only one visiting my gym, so I have 0 contact with any humans.

Point is, there'd be a lot of people angry that I'm doing what I'm doing b/c they lump all of us in to one group, even though I don't go shopping or have any human contact except with my family. But just like the situation with rural areas, there are different needs for different regions, states, counties and cities. And it probably should be handled that way.

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It's really not that different than the Harris County memorandum. By the time you read through the business exemptions they really just require some retail closures. The orders are trying to connect with the people that are cruising around doing errands like nothing is going on. At this point I don't think they will ever get it.

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This is a great point. Read these SiPs. Even the strictest are full of loopholes really. Again, if my gym were in Dallas and anyone even noticed I was there and asked me, as an employee by myself in a closed facility, they'd leave me be. From what I've read in the other cities as well, this seems to be the case. And since everyone is still allowed to hit grocery stores, etc, there are still people out. So in the end, what's to stop people from getting out and about? Really not much unless they set up road block check points everywhere. But we do not have the manpower to do that.

I'm trying to be as sociably responsible as I can, especially since I'm considered at risk. So I send the wife out on grocery runs etc. And our family is following the rules. No gatherings, over 6 feet when speaking to others, and staying home.

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So I live on a golf course, and golfers are still coming by. I think that is a great thing... Means I can still go play golf. I know all the guys up there, we chatted earlier, and they are doing full wipe downs of carts with alcohol and sending out 1 person per cart...

My question is I want to go fish, how is that bass boat behind my truck going to look and if I am by myself, what is the harm?

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Well, there isn't a better place for social distancing as far as I am concerned than being by yourself on a body of water. So fish away!