Are there two strains of SARS-CoV-2 and is it evolving (video)

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Ranger222
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Wanted to highlight this video from Vaughn Cooper, a professor of evolutionary microbiology at Pitt that tries to answer some basic questions. He is one of the best at what he does.



Some quick highlights:
  • Likely originated in bats, close to the original SARS in phylogeny
  • is it mutating? Yes, but at a much lower rate than the seasonal flu. What they are seeing in the genomes is expected based on random mutations
  • Sequencing of genomes is clustering by region, creating a founder effect in that genetic variation in the genome is now associated with geography
  • There is currently no selection of a "milder" strain of SARS-CoV-19 to increase the viral spread
  • Not seeing much adaption ongoing in humans, although one cluster found in Singapore does suggest a deletion in ORF8 which is often associated with mutation in humans in other coronaviruses
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Ranger222 said:

Wanted to highlight this video from Vaughn Cooper, a professor of evolutionary microbiology at Pitt that tries to answer some basic questions. He is one of the best at what he does.



Some quick highlights:
  • Likely originated in bats, close to the original SARS in phylogeny
  • is it mutating? Yes, but at a much lower rate than the seasonal flu. What they are seeing in the genomes is expected based on random mutations
  • Sequencing of genomes is clustering by region, creating a founder effect in that genetic variation in the genome is now associated with geography
  • There is currently no selection of a "milder" strain of SARS-CoV-19 to increase the viral spread
  • Not seeing much adaption ongoing in humans, although one cluster found in Singapore does suggest a deletion in ORF8 which is often associated with mutation in humans in other coronaviruses

Thank you for posting that. Really good stuff.
PatentMike, J.D.
BS Biochem
MS Molecular Virology


cone
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this video didn't really say anything about two strains being something that's happening
cisgenderedAggie
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cone said:

this video didn't really say anything about two strains being something that's happening


That's because it isn't something that's happening. That came from a sloppy paper that used very limited and early sample size and substantially over-interpreted the implications of the result.
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cisgenderedAggie said:

cone said:

this video didn't really say anything about two strains being something that's happening


That's because it isn't something that's happening. That came from a sloppy paper that used very limited and early sample size and substantially over-interpreted the implications of the result.

I've seen the paper from NSR and Oxford saying there are two strains, but I haven't seen anything saying it's a sloppy paper. Do you have a source for that?

https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463#authorNotesSectionTitle
PJYoung
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cisgenderedAggie said:

cone said:

this video didn't really say anything about two strains being something that's happening


That's because it isn't something that's happening. That came from a sloppy paper that used very limited and early sample size and substantially over-interpreted the implications of the result.

Tom Cardy
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Thread title kinda misleading for the content. I don't have enough insight into the credibility of the paper or video to comment.
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cisgenderedAggie said:

cone said:

this video didn't really say anything about two strains being something that's happening


That's because it isn't something that's happening. That came from a sloppy paper that used very limited and early sample size and substantially over-interpreted the implications of the result.
And they had to pull the paper because it was torn to shreds when people started reviewing it.
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94chem
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Azariah said:

cisgenderedAggie said:

cone said:

this video didn't really say anything about two strains being something that's happening


That's because it isn't something that's happening. That came from a sloppy paper that used very limited and early sample size and substantially over-interpreted the implications of the result.

I've seen the paper from NSR and Oxford saying there are two strains, but I haven't seen anything saying it's a sloppy paper. Do you have a source for that?

https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463#authorNotesSectionTitle


Papers don't get published that fast with peer review. Somebody probably slapped it on a server to get an early DOI number. Peer review is often sloppy, too, but it's better than nothing.
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