Data released for New York Fatalities

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The age thing is not quite as consistent. They have a greater prevalence of deaths in the in the younger brackets. 45-64 accounted for over 20% of fatalities.

95% of deaths had underlying illnesses.

Male deaths outnumber female 2-1

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary.pdf


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for those that don't want to read it:

"Underlying illnesses include Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, and GI/Liver Disease."
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Crazy how consistent the male v female seems to be.
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Thanks for posting. My takeaway: half of cases (46%) in the 18-44 cohort but only 3% of deaths (5 total).

This is reassuring when some of the anecdotes from the docs on this board are so terrifying (heart relating complications, severe ARDS, sudden onset, etc).
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Windy City Ag said:

The age thing is not quite as consistent. They have a greater prevalence of deaths in the in the younger brackets. 45-64 accounted for over 20% of fatalities.

95% of deaths had underlying illnesses.

Male deaths outnumber female 2-1

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary.pdf



That is too wide an age range.

I'd like to see 45-50, 50-55, 55-60, 60-64.
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policywonk98 said:

Crazy how consistent the male v female seems to be.
This. Combined with having A- blood I'm surprised I'm not already dead. Worse still I'm left handed which I have to assume makes it even worse.
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Lester Freamon said:

Thanks for posting. My takeaway: half of cases (46%) in the 18-44 cohort but only 3% of deaths (5 total).

This is reassuring when some of the anecdotes from the docs on this board are so terrifying (heart relating complications, severe ARDS, sudden onset, etc).


Anecdotes vs Data.

Every year In every big hospital we have unexplainable deaths from otherwise very healthy people reacting poorly to common illnesses. We've seen perfectly healthy teenagers get the flu and decompensate rapidly to death and no one even has a hypothesis as to why.

Medical science has a long way to go to explain it. Best theories I've seen center on of viruses picking up new human DNA while living on the host cells and mutating into a far more lethal form. The silver lining is that once the host dies it's very difficult for that strain of the virus to infect anyone else. Same reason Ebola was much better contained that COVID where 98-99% of hosts live and spread it.
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is there any data on ethnicity? There should be. I havent seen any of it but I know its being recorded. It has to be.

If there is a major difference between male v female there might be differences in ethnicity.
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Absolutely agree re: power of data vs anecdotes, just hard for the layperson with no practical experience to reconcile a doc's experience (Marcus, Reveille, etc) whom you have respect for with the big picture. Thanks for the perspective on that.
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policywonk98 said:

Crazy how consistent the male v female seems to be.
Aside from environmental factors, some of our immunity is coded on the X-chromosome. Since women have 2 they get more of these genes since men only have 1 X-chromosome. (from an article in Nature that I will have to find again).
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naive CFR per age cohort as of this date

0 - 17 0.00%
18 - 44 0.07%
45 - 64 0.80%
65 - 74 2.50%
75+ 7.57%

all of those numbers will likely go up as the hospitals there are overwhelmed

my suspicion is that the number of actual 18-44 cases is much much larger
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goodAg80 said:

policywonk98 said:

Crazy how consistent the male v female seems to be.
Aside from environmental factors, some of our immunity is coded on the X-chromosome. Since women have 2 they get more of these genes since men only have 1 X-chromosome. (from an article in Nature that I will have to find again).


Most genes on one of the X chromosomes are inactivated. I'm sure reactivation happens occasionally, but it's mostly permanent.

Curiously, ACE2 is On the X. Not sure if that would be relevant, would need gene expression data from infected people.
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I'm betting that most of the deaths in the 45-64 bracket are 55 and over.
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cisgenderedAggie said:

goodAg80 said:

policywonk98 said:

Crazy how consistent the male v female seems to be.
Aside from environmental factors, some of our immunity is coded on the X-chromosome. Since women have 2 they get more of these genes since men only have 1 X-chromosome. (from an article in Nature that I will have to find again).


Most genes on one of the X chromosomes are inactivated. I'm sure reactivation happens occasionally, but it's mostly permanent.

Curiously, ACE2 is On the X. Not sure if that would be relevant, would need gene expression data from infected people.
This is from Washington Post (Google search)

Quote:

But there are also underlying biological differences between men and women that may make covid-19 worse in men, several researchers pointed out. Years of research have found that women generally have stronger immune systems than men and are better able to fend off infections. The X chromosome contains a large number of immune-related genes, and because women have two of them, they gain an advantage in fighting disease, according to a recent study in the journal Human Genomics. Studies have also found that estrogen was protective in female mice infected with the virus that caused the 2003 SARs outbreak. During that epidemic, men had a much higher case fatality rate than women.
Still looking for nature article.
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cisgenderedAggie said:

goodAg80 said:

policywonk98 said:

Crazy how consistent the male v female seems to be.
Aside from environmental factors, some of our immunity is coded on the X-chromosome. Since women have 2 they get more of these genes since men only have 1 X-chromosome. (from an article in Nature that I will have to find again).


Most genes on one of the X chromosomes are inactivated. I'm sure reactivation happens occasionally, but it's mostly permanent.

Curiously, ACE2 is On the X. Not sure if that would be relevant, would need gene expression data from infected people.
Doesn't this occur on a cell by cell basis, so both chromosomes are fully used, just not both in individual cells?
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LOYAL AG said:

policywonk98 said:

Crazy how consistent the male v female seems to be.
This. Combined with having A- blood I'm surprised I'm not already dead. Worse still I'm left handed which I have to assume makes it even worse.
Damn. Same exact thing for me too!


So I woke up with pink eye (conjunctivitis) 3 days ago. Never had it in my life and now I have a stye on my lower eye lid. Still have burning in the affected eye.

Read this morning that 1-3% of patients have conjunctivitis as a symptom of COVID. I'm asymptomatic but your mind does start playing tricks on you the more you read about this stuff!
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Yes. Silencing is typically random early on in embryonic development and is then maintained in subsequent cells. So both X chromosomes are used, just not usually in the same cell, which is dependent on what the cell's predecessor used.

The paper described is interesting. It's a review, not a definitive result, but it describes some interesting hypotheses.

In one instance it's suggesting that there are several immune response-related genes that are in or near pseudoautosomal regions. These are parts of the X that don't get inactivated, presumably because they are similar to what is on the Y Chromosome. Sometimes genes near these regions can escape silencing and have some level of expression, so there's possibility that females overexpress some of these relative to males.

In another instance, it's suggesting that there could be negative selection against cells that contain more defective copies of these genes. As such, females would perhaps have an improved fitness over males due to a lifetime of selecting cells that are genetically more resilient to infection.

It's not an answer to the question, just possible suggestions that might explain a clear bias in the susceptibility.
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PearlJammin said:

LOYAL AG said:

policywonk98 said:

Crazy how consistent the male v female seems to be.
This. Combined with having A- blood I'm surprised I'm not already dead. Worse still I'm left handed which I have to assume makes it even worse.
Damn. Same exact thing for me too!


So I woke up with pink eye (conjunctivitis) 3 days ago. Never had it in my life and now I have a stye on my lower eye lid. Still have burning in the affected eye.

Read this morning that 1-3% of patients have conjunctivitis as a symptom of COVID. I'm asymptomatic but your mind does start playing tricks on you the more you read about this stuff!
Yeah it's easy to go down the rabbit trail. Good luck, hope it's really just pink eye. Never thought you'd say that, did you!?
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Bruce Almighty said:

I'm betting that most of the deaths in the 45-64 bracket are 55 and over.
Absolutely but what do you mean by most? 80%? I wouldn't be shocked to see that.
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Legend said:

for those that don't want to read it:

"Underlying illnesses include Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, and GI/Liver Disease."

Just curious but are they referring to type 1 or type 2 diabetics here? I'm type 1, so hoping this refers to type 2.
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David_Puddy said:

Legend said:

for those that don't want to read it:

"Underlying illnesses include Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, and GI/Liver Disease."

Just curious but are they referring to type 1 or type 2 diabetics here? I'm type 1, so hoping this refers to type 2.
American Diabetes Association COVID-19 FAQ

"In general, we don't know of any reason to think COVID-19 will pose a difference in risk between type-1 and type-2 diabetes."

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LOYAL AG said:

policywonk98 said:

Crazy how consistent the male v female seems to be.
This. Combined with having A- blood I'm surprised I'm not already dead. Worse still I'm left handed which I have to assume makes it even worse.
If you're a redhead I think we're legally allowed to burn you at the stake.
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Good to see my fellow diabetics leading the way again!
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David_Puddy said:

Legend said:

for those that don't want to read it:

"Underlying illnesses include Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, and GI/Liver Disease."

Just curious but are they referring to type 1 or type 2 diabetics here? I'm type 1, so hoping this refers to type 2.
I would assume most of the ones dying are type 2 and have other factors caused by obesity that play a part in why they are dying.
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I'm 59 with COPD, hypertension heart problems, Celiac Disease and very bad immune system.
Not good.
We'll be short one BBQ Judge if I catch it.
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In the HTN club here. Subclass does worse. And I'm on an ARB (losartan). So many unknowns.
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tysker said:

LOYAL AG said:

policywonk98 said:

Crazy how consistent the male v female seems to be.
This. Combined with having A- blood I'm surprised I'm not already dead. Worse still I'm left handed which I have to assume makes it even worse.
If you're a redhead I think we're legally allowed to burn you at the stake.
Oh *****

Seriously I'm dark brown but I had a lot of red in my beard before it all turned gray. My daughter is strawberry blonde so the red is definitely there in the family.

Phew! That was close!
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TXAggie2011 said:

David_Puddy said:

Legend said:

for those that don't want to read it:

"Underlying illnesses include Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, and GI/Liver Disease."

Just curious but are they referring to type 1 or type 2 diabetics here? I'm type 1, so hoping this refers to type 2.
American Diabetes Association COVID-19 FAQ

"In general, we don't know of any reason to think COVID-19 will pose a difference in risk between type-1 and type-2 diabetes."


Are they saying the risk between Type 1 and Type 2 is the same because the risk is if you do not have your blood sugars under control? Is the risk in having a higher than recommended A1C and not necessarily saying you are at risk just because of diabetes?
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policywonk98 said:

Crazy how consistent the male v female seems to be.
not really when you consider evolution.

only need a few males to keep the species going. Stands to reason female immune systems are stronger than males.

Need multiple females an done male to ensure biodiversity.
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Aggiebrewer said:

Red headed daughter?

T&Ps
LOL. She's a great kid with a ton of talent and a monster work ethic. And occasionally her dad's temper, blunt nature and tenacity. It took me learning some self-discipline to get rid of the dust ups.
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