U.S.S Theodore Roosevelt

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What do you do with this ship?
Try to bring supplies on board?

https://twitter.com/DavidLarter/status/1244975396619198465?
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when was the ship last in port and where? How did the virus get "on board"?
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From the underlying article, they are not sure:

Gilday told reporters last week it was unclear if sailors became infected following the ship's previous port of call in early March to Da Nang, Vietnam. Gilday said they debated whether to go on with the Vietnam visit, but at the time there were only 16 coronavirus cases in northern Vietnam and the port was in the central part of the country.
Sailors were screened prior to returning on board. The first three sailors tested positive 15 days after leaving Vietnam, officials said.


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Man the comments below it. Twitter and social media really are a cesspool
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It would be interesting to hear from people on this board who may have some insight.

I'm assuming by going public like this, the captains career is over.

I am just trying to figure out what the series of circumstances were that brought us here.
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Update from the Navy, guess the Captain's public plea sped things up at a minimum. Gotta respect a guy who is willing to risk his career for his men.

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/03/us-navy-evacuating-aircraft-carrier-infected-coronavirus/164254/?fbclid=IwAR2yuh7rx4QHYwOMxXV-cg6MzxcU46GN1_-zSv2RNcdfF96IW3dO3QKwoq8
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Bankeraggie said:

It would be interesting to hear from people on this board who may have some insight.

I'm assuming by going public like this, the captains career is over.

I am just trying to figure out what the series of circumstances were that brought us here.
I respect a man who would put his sailors above his own career.
Shaun Shaikh '07
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If the navy left these sailors out to dry, then it's other folks that need to be fired, not the captain.
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My nephew is on that ship. They have a decent plan in place under the circumstances.
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HotardAg07 said:

Bankeraggie said:

It would be interesting to hear from people on this board who may have some insight.

I'm assuming by going public like this, the captains career is over.

I am just trying to figure out what the series of circumstances were that brought us here.
I respect a man who would put his sailors above his own career.


Me too. Probably how he got to be captain of an aircraft carrier.
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https://apnews.com/cabbd6ade631320d515b365a6cb4c971

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Aaaannndddd...

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Pretty disappointing, if you read the full thread of the twitter post above, although I have a feeling we haven't heard the end of this.
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HotardAg07 said:

Bankeraggie said:

It would be interesting to hear from people on this board who may have some insight.

I'm assuming by going public like this, the captains career is over.

I am just trying to figure out what the series of circumstances were that brought us here.
I respect a man who would put his sailors above his own career.
The sailors do too.





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From the Navy's official response, found in the last update to the article in this link:

"When the Commanding Officer of the USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT decided to write his letter of 30 March 2020 that outlined his concerns for his crew in the midst of a COVID-19 outbreak, the Department of the Navy had already mobilized significant resources for days in response to his previous requests. On the same date marked on his letter, my Chief of Staff had called the CO directly, at my request, to ensure he had all the resources necessary for the health and safety of his crew."

"The CO told my Chief of Staff that he was receiving those resources, and was fully aware of the Navy's response, only asking that the he wished the crew could be evacuated faster. My Chief of Staff ensured that the CO knew that he had an open line to me to use at any time. He even called the CO again a day later to follow up. At no time did the CO relay the various levels of alarm that I, along with the rest of the world, learned from his letter when it was published two days later."

"Once I read the letter, I immediately called the Chief of Naval Operations, ADM Gilday, and the Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet, ADM Aquilino. ADM Gilday had just read the letter that morning as well, and ADM Aquilino had it the day before. We had a teleconference within minutes of my reading of that article, including the Commander, SEVENTH Fleet, VADM William Merz, ADM Aquilino, ADM Gilday, the Department of the Navy's Surgeon General, RADM Bruce Gillingham, and others. That evening, we held another teleconference with the entire chain of command."

"The next day, I spoke with the CO of the THEODORE ROOSEVELT myself, and this morning, I have spoken to the TR's Carrier Strike Group Commander, RDML Stuart Baker. RDML Baker did not know about the letter before it was sent to him via email by the CO. It is important to understand that the Strike Group Commander, the CO's immediate boss, is embarked on the Theodore Roosevelt, right down the passageway from him. The letter was sent over non- secure, unclassified email even though that ship possesses some of the most sophisticated communications and encryption equipment in the Fleet."

"it was sent outside the chain of command, at the same time the rest of the Navy was fully responding. Worse, the Captain's actions made his Sailors, their families, and many in the public believe that his letter was the only reason help from our larger Navy family was forthcoming, which was hardly the case."

"Command is a sacred trust that must be continually earned, both from the Sailors and Marines one leads, and from the institution which grants that special, honored privilege."

"As I learned more about the events of the past week on board USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT (CVN-71), including my personal conversations with the Strike Group Commander, Commander, SEVENTH Fleet, Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet, the Chief of Naval Operations, and CAPT Crozier himself, I could reach no other conclusion than that Captain Crozier had allowed the complexity of his challenge with COVID breakout on the ship to overwhelm his ability to act professionally, when acting professionally was what was needed most. We do, and we should, expect more from the Commanding Officers of our aircraft carriers."

"I did not come to this decision lightly. I have no doubt in my mind that Captain Crozier did what he thought was in the best interests of the safety and well-being of his crew. Unfortunately, it did the opposite. It unnecessarily raised alarms with the families of our Sailors and Marines with no plan to address those concerns. It raised concerns about the operational capabilities and operational security of the ship that could have emboldened our adversaries to seek advantage, and it undermined the chain of command who had been moving and adjusting as rapidly as possible to get him the help he needed."

"For these reasons, I lost confidence in his ability to lead that warship as it continues to fight through this virus, get the crew healthy, so that it can continue to meet its national security requirements. In my judgement relieving him of command was in the best interests of the United States Navy and the nation in this time when the nation needs the Navy to be strong and confident in the face of adversity. The responsibility for this decision rests with me. I expect no congratulations for it, and it gives me no pleasure in making it. CAPT Crozier is an honorable man, who despite this uncharacteristic lapse of judgment, has dedicated himself throughout a lifetime of incredible service to our nation."
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Not surprised they removed him and threw him under the bus in doing so.
Always possible there is more to the story, but can't imagine a man with his experience, standing, and understanding of the chain of command (not to mention politically what it would mean to him) wouldn't have tried everything he could within the chain of command before taking that route.


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Are they saying that he personally sent the letter to the paper, and not to the navy? It was my understanding that he sent that letter to the navy and someone (who might have been Crozier) leaked it to the paper.
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Just to clear up a point....
Presidents don't select ship commanders. That is a board process within the Navy.
Maroon and White always! EKU/TAMU
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I don't know any more of this than anyone else here, but it's possible that the Navy is unhappy that he notified the entire world that a significant military nuclear asset was vulnerable and undermanned. I'm sure his motivations were entirely honorable, to help his crew out, but if I were Secretary of the navy I'd be pretty unhappy about that.
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I'm guessing deployments from now on will start with a 14 day quarantine.
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Squadron7 said:

I'm guessing deployments from now on will start with a 14 day quarantine.
And no stopping at any port during the deployment.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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jenn96 said:

I don't know any more of this than anyone else here, but it's possible that the Navy is unhappy that he notified the entire world that a significant military nuclear asset was vulnerable and undermanned. I'm sure his motivations were entirely honorable, to help his crew out, but if I were Secretary of the navy I'd be pretty unhappy about that.


I believe this is correct. I also believe that the Captain knew this before he acted and understood what the consequences of his actions would be.

Agree or disagree with what he did, tip your hat he has courage and conviction.
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Agree. I think he was following his conscience and felt that his crew was in danger And knew it would mean his career. But I can also see where the brass want to make sure that other captains think twice about going public about fleet vulnerabilities.
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Pooh Ah said:

jenn96 said:

I don't know any more of this than anyone else here, but it's possible that the Navy is unhappy that he notified the entire world that a significant military nuclear asset was vulnerable and undermanned. I'm sure his motivations were entirely honorable, to help his crew out, but if I were Secretary of the navy I'd be pretty unhappy about that.


I believe this is correct. I also believe that the Captain knew this before he acted and understood what the consequences of his actions would be.

Agree or disagree with what he did, tip your hat he has courage and conviction.
conviction yes; courage = not really
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I am a former military service member that worked with heavy nuclear asserts. There is nothing worse you can do as either a commander or grunt than use non secure communications to signal to the world that you are a ship in distress. No excuse for it. There are protocols in place for a debilitating illness while on any nuclear asset. You have to follow them to the letter. Even if your own crew has to suffer until help arrives.

I have no sympathy for the Captain of this ship. He informed command and he should have waited for instructions and then carried them out. Not to belay the fact, but he had a flag officer aboard the ship who was copied on the unauthorized email. The captain is lucky all he received was termination of command.

In reference to the Sailors cheering him as he left, I am fine with that. That shows he had the respect of the crew. Problem was he tossed it all by hitting send on an email that I guarantee he wishes he didn't.

Expect all the MSM opinion and ?news? shows to have conversations with the Captain and others making it sound like he was a hero for what he did.

Walk softly and carry a big stick! Make sure the big stick makes big boom noises and flashy bright lights.
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Hopefully they immediately drew blood on everyone to hold for antibody testing. Huge science value on a test population of subjects.

You can't test 350M Americans, but it would be good to know the proportion of those sailors were infected etc
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Rapier108 said:

Squadron7 said:

I'm guessing deployments from now on will start with a 14 day quarantine.
And no stopping at any port during the deployment.
According to Trump and a Navy admiral in the press conference a couple days ago, all deployments will start after quarantine, there will routine health checks on board vessels, and nobody will be let off at ports. Not sure if that means not stopping altogether or just stopping for limited purposes but keeping people on.
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Hammerheadjim said:

I am a former military service member that worked with heavy nuclear asserts. There is nothing worse you can do as either a commander or grunt than use non secure communications to signal to the world that you are a ship in distress. No excuse for it. There are protocols in place for a debilitating illness while on any nuclear asset. You have to follow them to the letter. Even if your own crew has to suffer until help arrives.

I have no sympathy for the Captain of this ship. He informed command and he should have waited for instructions and then carried them out. Not to belay the fact, but he had a flag officer aboard the ship who was copied on the unauthorized email. The captain is lucky all he received was termination of command.

In reference to the Sailors cheering him as he left, I am fine with that. That shows he had the respect of the crew. Problem was he tossed it all by hitting send on an email that I guarantee he wishes he didn't.

Expect all the MSM opinion and ?news? shows to have conversations with the Captain and others making it sound like he was a hero for what he did.


I agree - nothing worse than that. It was my first thought when I saw it in the news. You can't have a nuclear asset in trouble right next door to the Chinese. I think the fear of the virus overtook him. He knew he had it.
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Here's a startling new update. One thing is clear, the Navy is seriously pissed and believes the CO deceived it and unprofessionally broke discipline. Read it all the way thru before commenting: FURIOUS!!
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74OA said:

Here's a startling new update. One thing is clear, the Navy is seriously pissed and believes the CO deceived it and unprofessionally broke discipline. Read it all the way thru before commenting: FURIOUS!!
From your link:
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The acting Secretary of the Navy is done. I wouldn't expect him to last the rest of the week.
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jenn96 said:

Agree. I think he was following his conscience and felt that his crew was in danger And knew it would mean his career. But I can also see where the brass want to make sure that other captains think twice about going public about fleet vulnerabilities.

That thought shouldn't even cross their mind.
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law-apt-3g said:

jenn96 said:

Agree. I think he was following his conscience and felt that his crew was in danger And knew it would mean his career. But I can also see where the brass want to make sure that other captains think twice about going public about fleet vulnerabilities.

That thought shouldn't even cross their mind.

And yet....
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aginresearch said:

The acting Secretary of the Navy is done. I wouldn't expect him to last the rest of the week.
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