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Please don't let them see grandparents. It is breaking my heart that I have not been able to see my three in a month now. I miss their kisses and hugs and high fives. Facetime is not as good. I missed the birthday for the four year old. However they are are letting them play with the children of their neighbors. I understand it totally but as and over 70 I can't take the risk. I also am alone in my apartment rather than helping either of my children because they are out in the world more than is safe for me. I am so thankful that right now they are all safe and healthy. But I simply can't take the risk of seeing them and I am beyond lonesome.

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3rd Generation Ag said:

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actually given its believed incubation, IF we did a true quarantine for 14 days and shut our borders, we could stop it in its tracks. It would not have new people to spread to. Give it another week for the outliers and it would be gone till the next pandemic.

And a quarantine would mean everyone stay in their house no leaving. No fun. Only outside if you have a back yard. But that would stop it in its tracks.

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Premium said:

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5 and 7 year old. They play by themselves outside but not with friends.

I do think it's a bit crazy - I'd say kids and people under 60 should be able to do what they want as long as they wait at least 5 days before going around elderly people.

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Gizzards said:

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Premium said:

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5 and 7 year old. They play by themselves outside but not with friends.

I do think it's a bit crazy - I'd say kids and people under 60 should be able to do what they want as long as they wait at least 5 days before going around elderly people.

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This is a prime example of a big problem. Making up your own protocol and ignoring the prevailing recommendations. I hope that is not what you are actually doing.

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Capitol Ag said:

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Quito said:

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I have an 8 year old and twins that are 6. I'm sure most of you agree that outdoor play and interaction with other kids is such a wonderful time for kids.

We live in KC and school already canceled till Aug. little League Baseball/softball is delayed...league tentatively making plans to start in May.

Do we think that will happen?

We've been letting our kids play outside with neighbor kids, but not inside and washing hands a ton. Pediatrician neighbor said that was fine.

Are we crazy for doing this?

Anybody else with elementary aged kids have any thoughts?

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No. Honestly, as long as you guys stay relatively self contained and limit or have 0 contact outside of your neighborhood social circle, it's fine. What no one has mentioned in all this debate is that if the same people only have contact with the same people then it's no different then if it happens in one house or one block of homes. Now that changes IF there are those that also visit others in different settings and neighborhoods. It's not the kids or you that are at risk for the most part, it's the elderly or chronically ill or those at high risk that are the ones that need to be avoided by all.

You guys seriously don't think that A&M athletes or any other university's athletes don't have a go to garage where someone has a squat rack, 1,000 lbs of plates and DB's and benches and most of the team isn't hitting that up? One guy probably has a rack, another a few bars and plates etc and they all amass them in one garage. I would have. How many mom's are having "happy hour" in the front yard with their neighbors? Probably a lot. How many people are at the parks and on the paths? A lot. For the most part my neighborhood is "doing their part" but the fact is, we aren't at all quarantining anyone. The idea is to lengthen the time it takes for those that would get it anyway, ie spread that out to handle those that will eventually get sick so that hospitals and handle the incoming patients properly and effectively. Not to stop it cold. The fact is, if the majority of us do stay home, limit our grocery trips and contact with others plus the ones that do have contact just act responsible about it and contain it, it all leads to slowing things down the same, imo. Let them play, but just don't go to other neighborhoods and the like. Keep it "in house" so to speak.

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JDCAG (NOT Colin) said:

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Capitol Ag said:

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Quito said:

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I have an 8 year old and twins that are 6. I'm sure most of you agree that outdoor play and interaction with other kids is such a wonderful time for kids.

We live in KC and school already canceled till Aug. little League Baseball/softball is delayed...league tentatively making plans to start in May.

Do we think that will happen?

We've been letting our kids play outside with neighbor kids, but not inside and washing hands a ton. Pediatrician neighbor said that was fine.

Are we crazy for doing this?

Anybody else with elementary aged kids have any thoughts?

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No. Honestly, as long as you guys stay relatively self contained and limit or have 0 contact outside of your neighborhood social circle, it's fine. What no one has mentioned in all this debate is that if the same people only have contact with the same people then it's no different then if it happens in one house or one block of homes. Now that changes IF there are those that also visit others in different settings and neighborhoods. It's not the kids or you that are at risk for the most part, it's the elderly or chronically ill or those at high risk that are the ones that need to be avoided by all.

You guys seriously don't think that A&M athletes or any other university's athletes don't have a go to garage where someone has a squat rack, 1,000 lbs of plates and DB's and benches and most of the team isn't hitting that up? One guy probably has a rack, another a few bars and plates etc and they all amass them in one garage. I would have. How many mom's are having "happy hour" in the front yard with their neighbors? Probably a lot. How many people are at the parks and on the paths? A lot. For the most part my neighborhood is "doing their part" but the fact is, we aren't at all quarantining anyone. The idea is to lengthen the time it takes for those that would get it anyway, ie spread that out to handle those that will eventually get sick so that hospitals and handle the incoming patients properly and effectively. Not to stop it cold. The fact is, if the majority of us do stay home, limit our grocery trips and contact with others plus the ones that do have contact just act responsible about it and contain it, it all leads to slowing things down the same, imo. Let them play, but just don't go to other neighborhoods and the like. Keep it "in house" so to speak.

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I think the problem is that many people vastly overestimate their ability to keep things within a tight circle.

Suddenly one parent goes out to get some groceries, picks up a to go dinner from a local restaurant, swings by and grabs a prescription and suddenly their "isolated circle" has another 5+ points of contact.

Obviously complete containment just isn't practical, but this thing is likely to continue to spread via people who assume they have a tighter grip on their contacts than they do.

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Capitol Ag said:

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Quito said:

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I have an 8 year old and twins that are 6. I'm sure most of you agree that outdoor play and interaction with other kids is such a wonderful time for kids.

We live in KC and school already canceled till Aug. little League Baseball/softball is delayed...league tentatively making plans to start in May.

Do we think that will happen?

We've been letting our kids play outside with neighbor kids, but not inside and washing hands a ton. Pediatrician neighbor said that was fine.

Are we crazy for doing this?

Anybody else with elementary aged kids have any thoughts?

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No. Honestly, as long as you guys stay relatively self contained and limit or have 0 contact outside of your neighborhood social circle, it's fine. What no one has mentioned in all this debate is that if the same people only have contact with the same people then it's no different then if it happens in one house or one block of homes. Now that changes IF there are those that also visit others in different settings and neighborhoods. It's not the kids or you that are at risk for the most part, it's the elderly or chronically ill or those at high risk that are the ones that need to be avoided by all.

You guys seriously don't think that A&M athletes or any other university's athletes don't have a go to garage where someone has a squat rack, 1,000 lbs of plates and DB's and benches and most of the team isn't hitting that up? One guy probably has a rack, another a few bars and plates etc and they all amass them in one garage. I would have. How many mom's are having "happy hour" in the front yard with their neighbors? Probably a lot. How many people are at the parks and on the paths? A lot. For the most part my neighborhood is "doing their part" but the fact is, we aren't at all quarantining anyone. The idea is to lengthen the time it takes for those that would get it anyway, ie spread that out to handle those that will eventually get sick so that hospitals and handle the incoming patients properly and effectively. Not to stop it cold. The fact is, if the majority of us do stay home, limit our grocery trips and contact with others plus the ones that do have contact just act responsible about it and contain it, it all leads to slowing things down the same, imo. Let them play, but just don't go to other neighborhoods and the like. Keep it "in house" so to speak.

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DadHammer said:

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It's time to get back to work.

Too much damage has already been done. We can't hide in a cubby hole. Get us HCQ, Zpac, zinc and let those who want to work go to work!

Let the rest isolate themselves.

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AggieAuditor said:

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That mass represents the general population who, right now, are supporting the lockdowns regardless of the cost. When that begins to change, the lockdown starts to fail. This isn't some hypothetical thought exercise. This is real and it is happening right now. The initial lockdown was 2 weeks. Now 4 weeks have been added.

Look, I'm not trying to say people are wrong for supporting the lockdown. I'm supporting it. What I'm saying is that at some point we're going to have to start asking the questions about how many 4 week extensions we can take before the damage is too much. I definitely need to work on my delivery. Too much emotion.

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Gizzards said:

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Premium said:

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5 and 7 year old. They play by themselves outside but not with friends.

I do think it's a bit crazy - I'd say kids and people under 60 should be able to do what they want as long as they wait at least 5 days before going around elderly people.

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This is a prime example of a big problem. Making up your own protocol and ignoring the prevailing recommendations. I hope that is not what you are actually doing.

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What protocol am I making up here?

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Aust Ag said:

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How's your curve looking?

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Premium said:

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Gizzards said:

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Premium said:

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Gizzards said:

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Premium said:

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5 and 7 year old. They play by themselves outside but not with friends.

I do think it's a bit crazy - I'd say kids and people under 60 should be able to do what they want as long as they wait at least 5 days before going around elderly people.

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This is a prime example of a big problem. Making up your own protocol and ignoring the prevailing recommendations. I hope that is not what you are actually doing.

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What protocol am I making up here?

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Well, the quote is right there, but I will help you. Waiting 5 days to go around elderly after "doing what they want" has absolutely no science behind it. It is not a part of any guidelines that exist. Most people on these threads need to go back and read staff's GUIDELINES for posting which discussed that this is not the place for simply opinions about how this should be handled. At the beginning of all of this people complained loudly that different agencies or officials weren't doing enough. Now that guidelines and orders exist the criticism is the opposite. As someone who has to potentially put himself in harm's way every single day as a physician, it would be nice if people would listen to the experts. The response has obviously not been ideal and piecemeal at best, but this an evolving and new situation. Policies, treatments, and knowledge regarding this pandemic will continue to change and people should understand and accept that. I am as concerned as anyone about the economic consequences. It's devastating our practice financially. The longer all people don't take this seriously, the longer the problem will last before we can make a recovery.

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Oh, I see, you are equating an idea that would help get our economy back to something that resembles normalcy, to a new protocol that I am recommending and practicing.

Jumptoconclusionsmat.jpg

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ORAggieFan said:

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Premium said:

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Gizzards said:

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Premium said:

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Gizzards said:

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Premium said:

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5 and 7 year old. They play by themselves outside but not with friends.

I do think it's a bit crazy - I'd say kids and people under 60 should be able to do what they want as long as they wait at least 5 days before going around elderly people.

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This is a prime example of a big problem. Making up your own protocol and ignoring the prevailing recommendations. I hope that is not what you are actually doing.

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What protocol am I making up here?

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Well, the quote is right there, but I will help you. Waiting 5 days to go around elderly after "doing what they want" has absolutely no science behind it. It is not a part of any guidelines that exist. Most people on these threads need to go back and read staff's GUIDELINES for posting which discussed that this is not the place for simply opinions about how this should be handled. At the beginning of all of this people complained loudly that different agencies or officials weren't doing enough. Now that guidelines and orders exist the criticism is the opposite. As someone who has to potentially put himself in harm's way every single day as a physician, it would be nice if people would listen to the experts. The response has obviously not been ideal and piecemeal at best, but this an evolving and new situation. Policies, treatments, and knowledge regarding this pandemic will continue to change and people should understand and accept that. I am as concerned as anyone about the economic consequences. It's devastating our practice financially. The longer all people don't take this seriously, the longer the problem will last before we can make a recovery.

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Oh, I see, you are equating an idea that would help get our economy back to something that resembles normalcy, to a new protocol that I am recommending and practicing.

Jumptoconclusionsmat.jpg

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We are in the middle of an F'n pandemic. Our economy will not return to normal until it is over. The fastest way we get over this is doing what we are supposed to. The absolute best thing everyone can do for the economy is listen and convince others to do the same. Anything else will extend the problem.

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