Surely none of those graphs can be right. I don't see homicide by firearm on any of them and pretty sure we're told it's a epidemic.
Graphic of COvID related deaths compared to all other causes by day.
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Big shtick with numbers: As you can see BlackGoldAg2011 has numbers showing COVID will have a race to the bottom of rankings with circa 30% lead taking out the >70yo's across the board.BlackGoldAg2011 said:exactly. in 2017 & 2018 there were a combined 5,589,903 confirmed deaths in the US. Of that group roughly 3,628,973 were >70 (i say roughly because i just split the 65-74 age group in half). so roughly 65% of ALL DEATHs in the USA are >70 yo'sfig96 said:Take them out and you also see massive drops in numbers across flu, stroke, heart disease, Alzheimers, etc.law-apt-3g said:Take out >70yo's and never reach leading cause or any ranking of significance.5StarShield said:
Link in tweet for graphic
Edit to say it is comparing the daily number to the average daily number of leading causes of death.
How many days until it is the leading cause?
Your schtick gets old really quickly.
Now put down the MSM news pipe scaring your ass off.
i'm glad you are in law and not a STEM field because you are clearly bad at math. as of the last release i could find which appears to be data through 3/28/2020, >70 accounted for 1492 of 2214 total COVID deaths in the USA. or roughly 67%. This tells me that if you excluded >70 from both data sets the total death rates across ALL Causes would drop by roughly 65% but their relative rankings would stay roughly the same. looking at that list of causes, accidents and suicides would be the only two i wouldn't expect to be affected as much removing that demographic, but that is just conjecture and i have no data to back that up.law-apt-3g said:Big shtick with numbers: As you can see BlackGoldAg2011 has numbers showing COVID will have a race to the bottom of rankings with circa 30% lead taking out the >70yo's across the board.BlackGoldAg2011 said:exactly. in 2017 & 2018 there were a combined 5,589,903 confirmed deaths in the US. Of that group roughly 3,628,973 were >70 (i say roughly because i just split the 65-74 age group in half). so roughly 65% of ALL DEATHs in the USA are >70 yo'sfig96 said:Take them out and you also see massive drops in numbers across flu, stroke, heart disease, Alzheimers, etc.law-apt-3g said:Take out >70yo's and never reach leading cause or any ranking of significance.5StarShield said:
Link in tweet for graphic
Edit to say it is comparing the daily number to the average daily number of leading causes of death.
How many days until it is the leading cause?
Your schtick gets old really quickly.
Now put down the MSM news pipe scaring your ass off.
This is interesting data. We are running 1500 less cases of pneumonia per week. Is that due to reclassifying mortality case as COVID instead, or our behavioral (shutting down economy). My guess is some of both - and even so, indicates we are likely materially over attributing COVID mortality cases.BadMoonRisin said:
This is interesting as well.
Growing delta from the start of the year to the past trendlines in Pneumonia CoDs as the cases of coronavirus grows
Is a positive SARS-COV-2 test required to count toward being a COV19 death?
I've read that the CDC is instructing that it is not the case...so are some people dying of pneumonia maybe not COV19 deaths? Or would these people died of pneumonia anyway and are just being counted differently?
... while government at every level tells people not to drive and most folks comply.ABATTBQ11 said:LesterHaze said:
Notice that accidents remained unchanged. Obviously inaccurate data because almost nobody is driving. This is a very serious health situation with for sure. I'm not down playing the fact. However over 100,000 people die world wide every MONTH in auto accidents and that's not even close to happening right now.
Just pointing out there was an agenda, at least to the point of compromising part of the data when posting that tweet.
When is the last time weekly deaths from auto accidents increased by a factor of 100 in only 3 weeks?
On one hand, it's a shame that there's no way to accurately measure how many more infections and deaths there'd be right now without social distancing.
On the other hand, research has shown that when people, even very smart people, are presented with factual data that refutes their preconceived notions, they tend to dismiss it and stick to their opinion.
There is zero doubt this is happening. Here in Brazos County, the first two of the three deaths the patients were already in Hospice care at the time of contracting Covid-19, their deaths have been classified as Covid deaths. That's just one example, but it's happening on a massive scale across the country.SamjamAg said:This is interesting data. We are running 1500 less cases of pneumonia per week. Is that due to reclassifying mortality case as COVID instead, or our behavioral (shutting down economy). My guess is some of both - and even so, indicates we are likely materially over attributing COVID mortality cases.BadMoonRisin said:
This is interesting as well.
Growing delta from the start of the year to the past trendlines in Pneumonia CoDs as the cases of coronavirus grows
Is a positive SARS-COV-2 test required to count toward being a COV19 death?
I've read that the CDC is instructing that it is not the case...so are some people dying of pneumonia maybe not COV19 deaths? Or would these people died of pneumonia anyway and are just being counted differently?
The opposite might very well be true as well.SamjamAg said:This is interesting data. We are running 1500 less cases of pneumonia per week. Is that due to reclassifying mortality case as COVID instead, or our behavioral (shutting down economy). My guess is some of both - and even so, indicates we are likely materially over attributing COVID mortality cases.BadMoonRisin said:
This is interesting as well.
Growing delta from the start of the year to the past trendlines in Pneumonia CoDs as the cases of coronavirus grows
Is a positive SARS-COV-2 test required to count toward being a COV19 death?
I've read that the CDC is instructing that it is not the case...so are some people dying of pneumonia maybe not COV19 deaths? Or would these people died of pneumonia anyway and are just being counted differently?
There's a town in Italy, for example, that reported something like 30 deaths attributed to Covid-19 as of a few weeks ago. However, they've also had like 4x the average number of deaths for that time period (not including those Covid cases). Those deaths weren't directly attributed to Covid, but it seems pretty likely that there could be some correlation.
In the US we might see this effect in lower income areas in particular where folks are less likely to go to a hospital.
Data will evolve strongly showing for <70yo's the COVID is not a big deal. COVID is a big deal and awful for the >70 but so is EVERY OTHER cause of death.BlackGoldAg2011 said:i'm glad you are in law and not a STEM field because you are clearly bad at math. as of the last release i could find which appears to be data through 3/28/2020, >70 accounted for 1492 of 2214 total COVID deaths in the USA. or roughly 67%. This tells me that if you excluded >70 from both data sets the total death rates across ALL Causes would drop by roughly 65% but their relative rankings would stay roughly the same. looking at that list of causes, accidents and suicides would be the only two i wouldn't expect to be affected as much removing that demographic, but that is just conjecture and i have no data to back that up.law-apt-3g said:Big shtick with numbers: As you can see BlackGoldAg2011 has numbers showing COVID will have a race to the bottom of rankings with circa 30% lead taking out the >70yo's across the board.BlackGoldAg2011 said:exactly. in 2017 & 2018 there were a combined 5,589,903 confirmed deaths in the US. Of that group roughly 3,628,973 were >70 (i say roughly because i just split the 65-74 age group in half). so roughly 65% of ALL DEATHs in the USA are >70 yo'sfig96 said:Take them out and you also see massive drops in numbers across flu, stroke, heart disease, Alzheimers, etc.law-apt-3g said:Take out >70yo's and never reach leading cause or any ranking of significance.5StarShield said:
Link in tweet for graphic
Edit to say it is comparing the daily number to the average daily number of leading causes of death.
How many days until it is the leading cause?
Your schtick gets old really quickly.
Now put down the MSM news pipe scaring your ass off.
So back to the point: Just take <70 out of the graph to show it's bunk, misleading and fear mongering. Never coming close to the leading cause of death for 95%+ of the population <70 yo,
Expecting decisions without factoring 95%+ of the population will yield bad results, but that is just conjecture too.
Starting COVID 23 weeks after the things it's being compared against... I guess that technically is another way to look at it...
Sure can. And some presentations of the data are useful and helpful, while others are completely misleading (either deliberately or ignorantly)..
BlackGoldAg2011 said:
Sure can. And some presentations of the data are useful and helpful, while others are completely misleading (either deliberately or ignorantly)..
Completely agree, glad we see eye to eye
DeWrecking Crew said:BlackGoldAg2011 said:
Sure can. And some presentations of the data are useful and helpful, while others are completely misleading (either deliberately or ignorantly)..
Completely agree, glad we see eye to eye
Glad you agree that Robert Michael's graphs, while perhaps factually accurate at the time of their creation, are incredibly misleading in how they present the underlying data. So much so that I am forced to conclude that he is either ignorant in the areas of data analysis and presentation or is being deliberately misleading to push an agenda with people who don't know any better.
BlackGoldAg2011 said:DeWrecking Crew said:BlackGoldAg2011 said:
Sure can. And some presentations of the data are useful and helpful, while others are completely misleading (either deliberately or ignorantly)..
Completely agree, glad we see eye to eye
Glad you agree that Robert Michael's graphs, while perhaps factually accurate at the time of their creation, are incredibly misleading in how they present the underlying data. So much so that I am forced to conclude that he is either ignorant in the areas of data analysis and presentation or is being deliberately misleading to push an agenda with people who don't know any better.
As is the original graph...cherry picking data doesn't help anyone
Another way the data could be sliced is "expected life years lost".
That is, a an 18 year old dying in a car accident loses, maybe, 60 years of life.
An 88 year old dying from COVID loses, maybe, 5 years of life?
Both are sad, but a young person dying is especially tragic.
One of my Facebook contacts keeps using Vietnam as a benchmark. It's a fallacious comparison for just that reason. Vietnam was horrific, as are all wars, because entire lifetimes were lost.
That is, a an 18 year old dying in a car accident loses, maybe, 60 years of life.
An 88 year old dying from COVID loses, maybe, 5 years of life?
Both are sad, but a young person dying is especially tragic.
One of my Facebook contacts keeps using Vietnam as a benchmark. It's a fallacious comparison for just that reason. Vietnam was horrific, as are all wars, because entire lifetimes were lost.
we have all read the reports and heard from Dr. Fauci and Birx that they are being very liberal with classifying a death as due to CV.5StarShield said:
Link in tweet for graphic
Edit to say it is comparing the daily number to the average daily number of leading causes of death.
How many days until it is the leading cause?
I wish we could find out how many were actually due to CV and how many were not!
I think this is a lot easier said than done, go read any of the CDC influenza reports and you'll notice that they report something like "deaths due to flu or flu complications".Carnwellag2 said:we have all read the reports and heard from Dr. Fauci and Birx that they are being very liberal with classifying a death as due to CV.5StarShield said:
Link in tweet for graphic
Edit to say it is comparing the daily number to the average daily number of leading causes of death.
How many days until it is the leading cause?
I wish we could find out how many were actually due to CV and how many were not!
I'd be interested to hear perspective on this from some of the medical professionals here.
Just another thread with a bunch or dead-ass wrong in it.
How they're counting the presumed Covid-19 deaths is not different than how they count other causes of death.
Nothing is perfect, but all those causes of death are "playing with the same rules", so to speak.
Nothing is perfect, but all those causes of death are "playing with the same rules", so to speak.
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