Public schools reopened on May 4?

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In reply to JB!98 • 9:02a, 4/12/20
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The teacher in my house just wants to go back for any short period of time to make sure her kids are OK and to see them one more time. She is of the mindset that 2 weeks would be invaluable to the kids and to the teachers. We can rationalize all of this, but the kids need some sense of normalcy and transition, her opinion.
I agree with this. My kids want to go back (admittedly they're both early elementary so they're not jaded yet). But even for those up through middle school, I think it's a good thing to close out the year. Make them all get closure and feel good about being promoted to the next grade.

And teachers can evaluate which kids actually learned while at home and which need help. Then maybe they can come up with a plan to get the ones who are behind caught up over the summer.
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9:58a, 4/12/20
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The whole idea of shutting it down in the first place is ridiculous. Let high school and college work remotely. Schools age and daycare need to be running to allow work to continue regularly. Elderly and high risk should isolate but everyone needs to be at school and work to create herd immunity among the low risk.
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In reply to Premium • 10:10a, 4/12/20
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Honest question - How many school and Daycare workers are in the "High Risk" group?

My anecdotal observation, having an entire extended family involved in K-9 education (public and private), around 30-40% when you take into account all positions. That includes Teachers, Aids, Para-professionals, Cafeteria Personnel, Bus Drivers, etc. etc.

Is it really realistic to re-open schools with even 25% of personnel staying out?

Again, honest question, I am all for getting back to work - my industry and company are decimated....
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In reply to AgTech88 • 10:13a, 4/12/20
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Honest question - How many school and Daycare workers are in the "High Risk" group?

My anecdotal observation, having an entire extended family involved in K-9 education (public and private), around 30-40% when you take into account all positions. That includes Teachers, Aids, Para-professionals, Cafeteria Personnel, Bus Drivers, etc. etc.

Is it really realistic to re-open schools with even 25% of personnel staying out?

Again, honest question, I am all for getting back to work - my industry and company are decimated....


Excellent point, and I almost made it in my post above, but didn't want to distract from the point.

Maybe class sizes need to be 30% larger until we can get more help. Could they get temp help - like a TA to assist in grading and admin work?
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In reply to Dicky Longstocking • 10:18a, 4/12/20
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Dicky Longstocking said:
Related, but unrelated question given the number of teachers on this thread. Our kids are in Richardson public schools. The teachers have been sending work to our kids with the occasional zoom session. Just curious, but does anyone know why the teachers are unable to teach a live or taped session each day for the kids? I would imagine they could do a pre-taped series of lectures that are released each day so the kids get some "live" instruction. I know this is still early and everyone is trying to adapt, but up to this point, all we've really received is a stack of homework each day without much teaching.
There are a multitudes of reasons

For one, technology. I teach with someone who still uses an overhead projector and transparency sheets.He doesn't have the required tech to teach a live session from home and even if he did I doubt he would be familiar with it. Students don't all have the needed tech or internet capacity at home either.

More than anything else though, Teaching in person just doesn't translate well to teaching via video conference. People that have long championed virtual learning as the next wave in education art starting to figure that out.
Zoom, Microsoft Teams, Google Meet, etc are good for facilitating some meetings but not actually teaching content. My district has limited me to one live teaching session per class, per week. I'll use it as best as I can, but parents also need to understand that this can not and will not be business as usual. The notion that your kid will wake up and attend virtual classes like normal just isn't going to happen on a large scale.
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In reply to Premium • 10:24a, 4/12/20
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AgTech88 said:
Honest question - How many school and Daycare workers are in the "High Risk" group?

My anecdotal observation, having an entire extended family involved in K-9 education (public and private), around 30-40% when you take into account all positions. That includes Teachers, Aids, Para-professionals, Cafeteria Personnel, Bus Drivers, etc. etc.

Is it really realistic to re-open schools with even 25% of personnel staying out?

Again, honest question, I am all for getting back to work - my industry and company are decimated....


Excellent point, and I almost made it in my post above, but didn't want to distract from the point.

Maybe class sizes need to be 30% larger until we can get more help. Could they get temp help - like a TA to assist in grading and admin work?
lol. You serious Clark? Larger class sizes aren't going to help anyone. Lets set aside the idea that larger classes benefit student education in any way. Classrooms aren't built to handle classes of that size.


I have 32 desks and 32 students in my class. That is the max I can physically fit in my classroom. How am I supposed to have another 10 students in that room?

Additionally, state law caps k-4 classes at 22 kids.

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In reply to Premium • 10:26a, 4/12/20
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Again, not being a troll to stir anyone up, but here are the issues I see:

1. I dont think anyone will re-open schools without some effort to reduce exposure, so the push would be to reduce class crowding not increase.
2. What do you do with the ISD employees that do not come back (or are not allowed to come back)? Do they get paid? Even the best school districts in Texas, much less nationally, run somewhat thin budgets. Got to find the $$ to cover everybody out, cost of new hires, cost of extra hires to reduce crowding.
3. TA's - Other than Student Teachers there is no pool of TA's for Texas Public Schools. Parent volunteers are a source of help, but only for the individual schools in more affluent areas. In our district we range from all elementary classes having parents having to "sign up" to volunteer to keep #'s manageable, to having schools with so little parent involvement the PTA has been disbanded....

Just my uneducated observations....
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In reply to Keller6Ag91 • 10:37a, 4/12/20
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Public schools in Texas aren't going to be open again until August barring something unforeseen. Abbott will step in if local districts try and reopen this school year.

And if nothing else restarting in May with 2-4 weeks left is just impractical and largely pointless, and the teachers unions won't allow the districts to extend classes much beyond the normal scheduled end of year dates.


Many people can't get back to work if schools remain closed. They go hand in hand.


So what do all the parents do during the summer? Guessing a huge assumption is summer programs for the Y or swim team or other activities for the kids are operational.
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11:08a, 4/12/20
For two weeks seems the risk vs. reward is no where near worth it, Many multigenerational families in one home in Texas. No dog in this hunt as the wife and I live alone.

FWIW Have heard numerous (neighborhood) families saying they will not let there kids return if schools open in May. If they are penalized in any way they will look for legal remedy. Was a bit taken back by this reaction, not sure if feasible. There are obviously strong emotions on both sides of the issue.
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In reply to ancientag67 • 11:36a, 4/12/20
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I posted yesterday that you just make it optional. No penalty. Stay home and continue on with your online work.
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11:49a, 4/12/20
reopening would be hard school buses would be an issue and having kids in hallways and cafeterias also really bad. It would be better if the students could stay in their homeroom the entire time and have teachers rotate through. Harder to do as kids get older not everyone is taking the same courses. The kids would not like it because unlikely your bffs are in your homeroom it would definitely have some benefits as a return to normalcy
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1:35p, 4/12/20
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Katy ISD already said no finals. Zero reason to restart the spring semester in person.
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Not in Texas (in Colorado) but they announced no in person school the remainder of this semester. Our Spring Break was supposed to be next week but the cancelled that and amended the calendar so the kids are done on 5/22 instead of 6/3.

Kids were super bummed about not going back because they are missing their friends.
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In reply to Dicky Longstocking • 11:32p, 4/12/20
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Dicky Longstocking said:
Related, but unrelated question given the number of teachers on this thread. Our kids are in Richardson public schools. The teachers have been sending work to our kids with the occasional zoom session. Just curious, but does anyone know why the teachers are unable to teach a live or taped session each day for the kids? I would imagine they could do a pre-taped series of lectures that are released each day so the kids get some "live" instruction. I know this is still early and everyone is trying to adapt, but up to this point, all we've really received is a stack of homework each day without much teaching.


My wife teaches 1st grade and she does this for all her lesson plans. She uses our office and sets up a white board and does her math and phonics lessons.
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In reply to Dicky Longstocking • 11:42p, 4/12/20
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Dicky Longstocking said:
Related, but unrelated question given the number of teachers on this thread. Our kids are in Richardson public schools. The teachers have been sending work to our kids with the occasional zoom session. Just curious, but does anyone know why the teachers are unable to teach a live or taped session each day for the kids? I would imagine they could do a pre-taped series of lectures that are released each day so the kids get some "live" instruction. I know this is still early and everyone is trying to adapt, but up to this point, all we've really received is a stack of homework each day without much teaching.


I have been uploading my lessons to YouTube for new content. My students are going to get every standard they would have gotten if we were still i my classroom. Other teachers are using my videos as well.

Just wanted to chime in so everyone doesn't think all teachers are mailing it in.

I'd like to go back this week. Not my call though. I've worked harder at home than at school preparing lessons even though I've been efficient enough to have more time at home and obviously don't have a class full of kids all day.

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In reply to Premium • 11:47p, 4/12/20
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The whole idea of shutting it down in the first place is ridiculous. Let high school and college work remotely. Schools age and daycare need to be running to allow work to continue regularly. Elderly and high risk should isolate but everyone needs to be at school and work to create herd immunity among the low risk.


You make it sound so simple. Just wave a wand.
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In reply to aggierogue • 11:47p, 4/12/20
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Dicky Longstocking said:
Related, but unrelated question given the number of teachers on this thread. Our kids are in Richardson public schools. The teachers have been sending work to our kids with the occasional zoom session. Just curious, but does anyone know why the teachers are unable to teach a live or taped session each day for the kids? I would imagine they could do a pre-taped series of lectures that are released each day so the kids get some "live" instruction. I know this is still early and everyone is trying to adapt, but up to this point, all we've really received is a stack of homework each day without much teaching.


I have been uploading my lessons to YouTube for new content. My students are going to get every standard they would have gotten if we were still i my classroom. Other teachers are using my videos as well.

Just wanted to chime in so everyone doesn't think all teachers are mailing it in.

I'd like to go back this week. Not my call though. I've worked harder at home than at school preparing lessons even though I've been efficient enough to have more time at home and obviously don't have a class full of kids all day.

Are you guys testing at the same level as before or lowering the amount of Level 2/3 questions?
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In reply to Smokedraw01 • 11:55p, 4/12/20
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aggierogue said:
Dicky Longstocking said:
Related, but unrelated question given the number of teachers on this thread. Our kids are in Richardson public schools. The teachers have been sending work to our kids with the occasional zoom session. Just curious, but does anyone know why the teachers are unable to teach a live or taped session each day for the kids? I would imagine they could do a pre-taped series of lectures that are released each day so the kids get some "live" instruction. I know this is still early and everyone is trying to adapt, but up to this point, all we've really received is a stack of homework each day without much teaching.


I have been uploading my lessons to YouTube for new content. My students are going to get every standard they would have gotten if we were still i my classroom. Other teachers are using my videos as well.

Just wanted to chime in so everyone doesn't think all teachers are mailing it in.

I'd like to go back this week. Not my call though. I've worked harder at home than at school preparing lessons even though I've been efficient enough to have more time at home and obviously don't have a class full of kids all day.

Are you guys testing at the same level as before or lowering the amount of Level 2/3 questions?


No. I'm giving online quizzes, but we aren't recording grades.

It allows me to see how they are progressing with the content I'm putting out on my videos. We've been instructed to lessen the student workload by 50 percent. I teach 4th math/science, so I emphasize math and make science activities/lessons optional. My quizzes are not as rigorous, because I'm not teaching the same level of content, and I don't have the resources available to create the quizzes I normally do when I'm at school. But I am making sure that my students are accessing every standard to fulfill fourth grade curriculum.
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In reply to aggierogue • 12:02a, 4/13/20
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Smokedraw01 said:
aggierogue said:
Dicky Longstocking said:
Related, but unrelated question given the number of teachers on this thread. Our kids are in Richardson public schools. The teachers have been sending work to our kids with the occasional zoom session. Just curious, but does anyone know why the teachers are unable to teach a live or taped session each day for the kids? I would imagine they could do a pre-taped series of lectures that are released each day so the kids get some "live" instruction. I know this is still early and everyone is trying to adapt, but up to this point, all we've really received is a stack of homework each day without much teaching.


I have been uploading my lessons to YouTube for new content. My students are going to get every standard they would have gotten if we were still i my classroom. Other teachers are using my videos as well.

Just wanted to chime in so everyone doesn't think all teachers are mailing it in.

I'd like to go back this week. Not my call though. I've worked harder at home than at school preparing lessons even though I've been efficient enough to have more time at home and obviously don't have a class full of kids all day.

Are you guys testing at the same level as before or lowering the amount of Level 2/3 questions?


No. I'm giving online quizzes, but we aren't recording grades.

It allows me to see how they are progressing with the content I'm putting out on my videos. We've been instructed to lesson the student workload by 50 percent. I teach 4th math/science, so I emphasize math and make science activities/lessons optional. My quizzes are not as rigorous, because I'm not teaching the same level of content, and I don't have the resources available to create the quizzes I normally do when I'm at school. But I am making sure that my students are accessing every standard to fulfill fourth grade curriculum.
Gotcha. We're required to give a Minor grade and a homework grade per week plus two test grades per the six weeks. We use Canvas, so we have the ability to work deliver the test/quizzes but I don't have a feel for what my kids know and don't know as well as I would in the classroom, so the tests are bare-bones basics. I teach 8th SS.

Our daily work is supposed to only take 30 minutes per day but planning for that is a *****. 30 minutes for our average kid or the kids who struggle. Whatever.
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12:33p, 4/13/20
Abbott just said expect an announcement regarding schools later this week.
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1:52p, 4/13/20
Looking through comments in the articles posting about Abbott, ALL of the parents who posted said they will NOT let their kids go to school.
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Comment sections are not typically a place for the intelligent and critical thinkers.
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My wife was a teacher and we have 3 young ones. I have been] of obsessed with trying to think of ways that children could go to school in a responsible way that limited exposure. I don't think the only two options should be, everybody stays home every day and everything is completely back to normal.

Some ideas I've thought of would be:
  • Staggering attendance at schools (e.g. a half of the class goes one day, etc. AND/OR these classes go to school Monday and Thursday, these classes go Tuesday and Friday)
  • No switching classes
  • No gatherings
  • Masks required and ritualized hand washing required
  • Staggering start/end times (e.g. Kindergarten starts at 8, 1st Grade at 8:15, etc.) where possible, realizing buses don't have the flexibility
  • Students eat in their classrooms (school lunch kids go get food, bring back to class, wash hands, then eat).

I ultimately realize that in the short term these types of protocols are more trouble than the value that they generate. However, if we are dealing with "2nd wave" issues next fall, stuff like this should be planned and thought out over the summer so it could be put into place. I do think there is some value to an in-person component of going to school, even if it's only once a week.
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My wife was a teacher and we have 3 young ones. I have been] of obsessed with trying to think of ways that children could go to school in a responsible way that limited exposure. I don't think the only two options should be, everybody stays home every day and everything is completely back to normal.

Some ideas I've thought of would be:
  • Staggering attendance at schools (e.g. a half of the class goes one day, etc. AND/OR these classes go to school Monday and Thursday, these classes go Tuesday and Friday)
  • No switching classes
  • No gatherings
  • Masks required and ritualized hand washing required
  • Staggering start/end times (e.g. Kindergarten starts at 8, 1st Grade at 8:15, etc.) where possible, realizing buses don't have the flexibility
  • Students eat in their classrooms (school lunch kids go get food, bring back to class, wash hands, then eat).

I ultimately realize that in the short term these types of protocols are more trouble than the value that they generate. However, if we are dealing with "2nd wave" issues next fall, stuff like this should be planned and thought out over the summer so it could be put into place. I do think there is some value to an in-person component of going to school, even if it's only once a week.
Whatever the answer winds up being, I am confident that schools have until AT LEAST the end of August to figure it out...

I do not see ANY way they allow schools to open back up BEFORE businesses...
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In reply to HotardAg07 • 2:50p, 4/13/20
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My wife was a teacher and we have 3 young ones. I have been] of obsessed with trying to think of ways that children could go to school in a responsible way that limited exposure. I don't think the only two options should be, everybody stays home every day and everything is completely back to normal.

Some ideas I've thought of would be:
  • Staggering attendance at schools (e.g. a half of the class goes one day, etc. AND/OR these classes go to school Monday and Thursday, these classes go Tuesday and Friday)
  • No switching classes
  • No gatherings
  • Masks required and ritualized hand washing required
  • Staggering start/end times (e.g. Kindergarten starts at 8, 1st Grade at 8:15, etc.) where possible, realizing buses don't have the flexibility
  • Students eat in their classrooms (school lunch kids go get food, bring back to class, wash hands, then eat).

I ultimately realize that in the short term these types of protocols are more trouble than the value that they generate. However, if we are dealing with "2nd wave" issues next fall, stuff like this should be planned and thought out over the summer so it could be put into place. I do think there is some value to an in-person component of going to school, even if it's only once a week.
I think you have some good ideas. The hard part is that there is no single solution for all schools. Schools are vastly different depending on age. What would work for elementary isn't going to work in a high school. Even within different districts high schools can differ. (standard vs block scheduling).

I think the best idea is staggered attendance.
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Dicky Longstocking said:
Related, but unrelated question given the number of teachers on this thread. Our kids are in Richardson public schools. The teachers have been sending work to our kids with the occasional zoom session. Just curious, but does anyone know why the teachers are unable to teach a live or taped session each day for the kids? I would imagine they could do a pre-taped series of lectures that are released each day so the kids get some "live" instruction. I know this is still early and everyone is trying to adapt, but up to this point, all we've really received is a stack of homework each day without much teaching.
Chiming in to say that I'm recording videos for each of my classes and holding two Google Meets "live" sessions per day. My district actually requires it, but I'm happy to do it. I've also scheduled several private Meets sessions for students and/or their parents when they had specific questions.
I'm surprised Richardson doesn't have something similar in place for their students.
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My wife was a teacher and we have 3 young ones. I have been] of obsessed with trying to think of ways that children could go to school in a responsible way that limited exposure. I don't think the only two options should be, everybody stays home every day and everything is completely back to normal.

Some ideas I've thought of would be:
  • Staggering attendance at schools (e.g. a half of the class goes one day, etc. AND/OR these classes go to school Monday and Thursday, these classes go Tuesday and Friday)
  • No switching classes
  • No gatherings
  • Masks required and ritualized hand washing required
  • Staggering start/end times (e.g. Kindergarten starts at 8, 1st Grade at 8:15, etc.) where possible, realizing buses don't have the flexibility
  • Students eat in their classrooms (school lunch kids go get food, bring back to class, wash hands, then eat).

I ultimately realize that in the short term these types of protocols are more trouble than the value that they generate. However, if we are dealing with "2nd wave" issues next fall, stuff like this should be planned and thought out over the summer so it could be put into place. I do think there is some value to an in-person component of going to school, even if it's only once a week.
The 'no gatherings' requirements makes most any solution untenable unless there are broader reforms.

If parks, restaurants, bars, movie theaters and gyms can't be open to adults due to social distancing restrictions it's hard to contemplate a scenario whereby open classrooms doesnt seem contradictory.
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Abbott just said expect an announcement regarding schools later this week.

I will be shocked if Abbott does anything other than what the cliff jumpers want.
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4:05p, 4/13/20
Teacher Unions won't allow it!



oh.....there aren't teacher unions? .....


Well...the rest of what I said was spot on!
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In reply to nai06 • 4:12p, 4/13/20
school buses also hard to do safely
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I don't expect to go back for this semester at all. Which sucks, mine are 1st and 4th grade and would love to see their classes and have school activities, even if only for a few weeks. But I don't thing logistically it makes any sense.

I'm wondering what will happen with summer programs. My son was supposed to go to an ESY program that has been extremely good for him previous summers and I wanted them both to take some summer enrichment courses. I'm in Cy Fair - I wonder when they'll decide about those.
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I don't expect to go back for this semester at all. Which sucks, mine are 1st and 4th grade and would love to see their classes and have school activities, even if only for a few weeks. But I don't thing logistically it makes any sense.

I'm wondering what will happen with summer programs. My son was supposed to go to an ESY program that has been extremely good for him previous summers and I wanted them both to take some summer enrichment courses. I'm in Cy Fair - I wonder when they'll decide about those.
I'm wondering the same, I can't go back to the office if I have no where for my kids to go this summer.
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Small sample size, BUT...

My kids have been back in school for 2 weeks. Private school. Majority of parents would be considered essential workers (close to Med Center). Teachers wear masks, kids do not. We bring lunches and snacks...no more catered lunches.
Temps are checked 2x daily.
Common sense is used.
Some parents refuse to let the kids go back, so classes still zoom so kids can see classmates that arent back.
Thankfully...no one has gotten sick.
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jftx04 said:
Small sample size, BUT...

My kids have been back in school for 2 weeks. Private school. Majority of parents would be considered essential workers (close to Med Center). Teachers wear masks, kids do not. We bring lunches and snacks...no more catered lunches.
Temps are checked 2x daily.
Common sense is used.
Some parents refuse to let the kids go back, so classes still zoom so kids can see classmates that arent back.
Thankfully...no one has gotten sick.
That sounds like a great situation.

For reference, I work at a high school that has over 3K students who change classes every 1.5 hours. I think that really illustrates the problem. Elementary schools are much more manageable than junior high and high schools.
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