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Nothing will change. We are in the middle of a once a century global pandemic. People have short memories and aren't going to completely change thousands of years worth of social interaction because 0.00001% of the American population died. There might be a period of 6 months to a year that habits change but we will revert back to normal shortly thereafter. People aren't going to be afraid to interact with people for fear that they may be carrying some unknown virus when there is no pandemic going on.
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1939 said:

Nothing will change. We are in the middle of a once a century global pandemic. People have short memories and aren't going to completely change thousands of years worth of social interaction because 0.00001% of the American population died. There might be a period of 6 months to a year that habits change but we will revert back to normal shortly thereafter. People aren't going to be afraid to interact with people for fear that they may be carrying some unknown virus when there is no pandemic going on.


That assumes no more pandemics in the near future. I don't know that we can assume that with global travel.
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UTExan said:

I think the OP makes some good points:
1.) I hope that social distancing becomes a thing and we can gradually reduce handshaking as well.
2.) the power of home: another hopeful sign is that kids are happy at home with parents and maybe work from distance strategies will pay off.
3.) the importance of real work: no athlete or entertainer is worth any money if they cannot deliver your groceries, parcels, restock the grocery shelves or take your customer service complaint. I hope athletics is relegated back to amateur status and additional financial compensation goes to people in the consumer logistics/supply chain.
4.) the decline of bricks and mortar education: we could save billions by distance teaching and save tons of money to eliminate many administrative and support jobs in the public education system. School sports? Meet at a public park and practice/ play games but don't bleed taxpayer money for what is actually a recreational event.
Just my .02.


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So are you saying people should never travel out of fear that there may be some new pandemic that could break out?
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I think the OP makes some good points:
1.) I hope that social distancing becomes a thing and we can gradually reduce handshaking as well.
Why would you hope this when it's not necessary? For the short term to get through this, sure. Long term, it does nothing. When or why did we need social distancing for the last few hundred years at any point?
2.) the power of home: another hopeful sign is that kids are happy at home with parents and maybe work from distance strategies will pay off.
I'm okay with more jobs being created to be able to work from home, but damn. You should like you want us all sheltered. Being home too much sucks. There's too much this world has to offer to be coup'd up in one spot too much.
3.) the importance of real work: no athlete or entertainer is worth any money if they cannot deliver your groceries, parcels, restock the grocery shelves or take your customer service complaint. I hope athletics is relegated back to amateur status and additional financial compensation goes to people in the consumer logistics/supply chain.
This is entertainment value and the money will always be there whether you like it or not. Outside of the extreme situations like this. It's not realistic long term. The money to fund what you are saying doesn't work that way.
4.) the decline of bricks and mortar education: we could save billions by distance teaching and save tons of money to eliminate many administrative and support jobs in the public education system. School sports? Meet at a public park and practice/ play games but don't bleed taxpayer money for what is actually a recreational event.
So less jobs? Where do those people go? What programs do you put in place to create more jobs for the ones lost?
Just my .02.
Why some of you want so much long term change is beyond me. Do I want a little more funding for medical research, hospitals, etc., in case this happens again? Sure. I want to be better prepared and educated as a country for when/if this happens again.

For our every day life? I hope not a damn thing changes from where we were 3 months ago when all this settles. Well sans being more cleanly.
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1939 said:

So are you saying people should never travel out of fear that there may be some new pandemic that could break out?


Not saying that at all. I plan to travel, go on cruises,etc. but will be much more aware of distancing and careful around people exhibiting respiratory virus symptoms. More attention to hand washing, disinfecting table surfaces and avoiding places with large crowds.
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1939 said:

Nothing will change. We are in the middle of a once a century global pandemic. People have short memories and aren't going to completely change thousands of years worth of social interaction because 0.00001% of the American population died. There might be a period of 6 months to a year that habits change but we will revert back to normal shortly thereafter. People aren't going to be afraid to interact with people for fear that they may be carrying some unknown virus when there is no pandemic going on.
i think this is true if in fact we are in the middle of a 'once in a century' global pandemic.

but i'm not 100% sure that's what we are in.

it seems we may be in a 'once every three decade' or so pandemic of lesser degree, but because our institutions and society have not learned how to cope with the social media/mass information age, we are reacting in unprecedented and destructive ways.

that makes it harder to know what comes next.

to be clear - this is not an argument for any particular viewpoint or indictment of any decision made to date - i'm pretty sure if any of us had been confronted with the same circumstances we'd have made the same decisions. there's a sample size of, oh, 120 countries or so that have come to the almost same conclusions that our leaders have in the face of the same information/social reaction.

i just think extreme social reactions are a new factor when people are confronted with circumstances that are unfamiliar or frightening, especially when 'mainstream' media piles on. it makes our leadership processes and institutions very, very fragile.

i would like to think that we learn something from this disaster and find ways to better cope when it happens again.

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My OP wasnt intend to discuss what we want, rather, it was to discuss what we think will change because of the response to the virus.

I want handshakes to come back. I do not want to wear mask except for during a pandemic.

However, i think there will be a reluctance to go back to a friendly handshake. I think you will see more people wear masks. I even think that should sports come back in the fall, you might see local govt or stadiums require masks to attend.

I think you'll see building codes require items to be hands free. More auto doors, faucets, paper towels and toilets.

Youll see airports adding in temperature scans to the security protocols.

I think you'll see legislation to consolidate power at the govenor level for cases of natural disaster.

Does the green/progressive movment use the slow down to push for the environmental benefits it causes? You already see articles being written about this side effect.

Do progressives get that final push towards more socialism? I think so.

Do schools, particularly at the high school level, adopt more long term distance learning tracts? I think so. There are many benefits to it.

I think more businesses will go to a 4 day work week and/or 4 at office and 1 at the house or a combination thereof.

Does the gig economy get bigger after this or does it shrink?

I dont think any changes are needed in society. Death is a part of life no matter man's desire to defeat it. Exchanging saftey for freedom is a for sure way to kill our country.

That said, this crisis has presented some learning experiences that we could use to make positive changes. For example, move manufacturing out of china where possible. I think that will happen.
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While the environmental benefits of the entire first world shutting down have been remarkable to see, I think this actually makes it much harder long-term to implement "Green New Deal" type climate policy. It's no longer theoretical; shutting down vast swathes of the economy costs billions of dollars and millions of jobs. And the increased reliance on ultra-urban living and public transportation that those policies require are the exact conditions that spread diseases unchecked through the population.

I'm really curious to see if there's any long-term working from home impact. Some people have been able to work effectively from home during this, but a lot of people haven't, because they have their kids at home too and they just can't be fully productive. I can see where companies look at that diminished productivity and blanket apply it to WFH in the future (even once kids are back in school). And this has really reinforced the social aspect of work for many people.

One things that has been striking to me is how this shutdown has been experienced so incredibly differently depending on your occupation and family situation. The difference between being a worker who has been laid off with no source of income and tons of bills, or a business owner standing to lose everything, or a white-collar DINK couple who are bored AF but all about the memes, or the SAHM who is now Intagramming all the crafts she's getting to do with the kids, or someone who is working from home and desperately trying to teach their kids a patched-together curriculum while somehow carrying their weight at work - the experiences are very different. Someone talking about how we'll have to have shutdowns for 12-18 months until we have a vaccine (while comfortably working from home) isn't speaking the same language as someone who is going to lose their restaurant or practice or home if the economy doesn't get started. They're not even the same species, sociologically speaking.

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Motracicletraficificker said:

We can start by shutting down wet markets in China


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UTExan said:

I think the OP makes some good points:
1.) I hope that social distancing becomes a thing and we can gradually reduce handshaking as well.
2.) the power of home: another hopeful sign is that kids are happy at home with parents and maybe work from distance strategies will pay off.
3.) the importance of real work: no athlete or entertainer is worth any money if they cannot deliver your groceries, parcels, restock the grocery shelves or take your customer service complaint. I hope athletics is relegated back to amateur status and additional financial compensation goes to people in the consumer logistics/supply chain.
4.) the decline of bricks and mortar education: we could save billions by distance teaching and save tons of money to eliminate many administrative and support jobs in the public education system. School sports? Meet at a public park and practice/ play games but don't bleed taxpayer money for what is actually a recreational event.
Just my .02.
You do realize your .02 here and responses to other thoughts on this thread is toward the most negative end of possible outlooks. Maybe that's very logical to you and everyone else is Pollyanna in their outlook. It is fair for you to have that opinion but you also have to realize it may be that you are focusing on the negative of the present without memory of the greater historic.

Yes there may be another global pandemic but history shows they only come along every 100 years. So without a consequential recurrence most lessons and reactions will return to the historical. The hope for amateur athletics is a case in point. Pre-WWII baseball was the nations pastime even regularly drawing workers away from their offices even in the middle of the day. Babe Ruth made more money than the president and was infinitely more popular. Along comes a world restructuring war that takes away the attention and value of sports while making heroes of soldiers, industry and political leaders. Surely the world will never return to the frivolities of sports and its other pre-war pursuits such as cinema and social venues.

Nope. War's over and sports, mainly pro-sports, grow to unprecedented levels of focus, value and income along with overvalued entertainment in cinema, television and music.It took no time at all to exceed the pre-war trajectory of mankind's evolution.

So my .02, which is worth exactly the same as your's so we are tied, is that within 12-18 months we will return with the same zeal to our pre-Covid pursuit of athletic and social entertainment that man has always valued over more significant pursuits such as intellectual growth, spiritual renewal and unselfish service to our fellow man.All it will take is a reasonable development of a solution to the effects of this virus or a vaccine that makes it inconsequential to the masses.

None of that is to say that some functional and experiential methods won't change but I do think society gonna social like always and always. So consider the historic trek of man and decide whether your think it can really change that much so fast simply because a totally inconsequential, non-impacting number of the world population passes away a few years or even months earlier than they would have anyway.
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agsalaska said:

I would like to think, and I know this will not happen en mass, but I hope that some people at least learn a lesson from it and figure out a way to live within their means.

I got laid off in 2014 from a company I had been with for 15 years(since graduation). We were bought out and told to get gone. I had a nice salary and a big house in Grapevine. And two car payments. And credit cards etc.

My wife and I learned a lesson from that. When we moved to Central Texas we bought a home for maybe a quarter of what we were approved for. It's a nice home and a great place to raise our children. We bought our last two cars outright. We own our boat outright. We have no credit card debt. Etc. Etc. We decided that we should be able to survive on two ten dollar an hour jobs. And we could if we absolutely had too.

That's not to say we dont spend money. We do. The four of us went to Alaska last year and rented an RV for 8 days. We went skiing, Vegas, etc. And we have our investments and land and what not. We pretty much do what we want. And we certainly don't try to earn to our lifestyle. We are hoping to grow our new business into a monster. But that business could make me a million dollars a year or be a bust. Either way it will not change our daily lives.

Considering what we are going thru right now and our business is non essential, I am feeling pretty good about the decisions we made. I hope others learn to do the same thing. I could not imagine going thru this right now worried about the things I was worried about in 2014.
I agree about the importance of living within your means. I am also non essential. As a commission only sales person I have chosen to take calls even while on vacation because someone would answer the phone if I didn't and I would lose income. Used to be my favorite vacations were places there was no cell service because I wasn't out in that position of not being able to turn off.

Because I have lived responsibly (mostly ), this great pause has been great, freeing even. None of my competitors can be working either so I am able to relax and breath. I hope everyone has found something in this slow down to embrace. My desire to make the best of a bad situation has turned it into an incredible opportunity to enjoy my life. I wish you all the same.
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Capitol Ag said:

bay fan said:

I personally won't shoot my hand out when I meet someone anymore. It seems common sense we adapt and form a new custom, a slight head bow perhaps. Hugs and hand shakes will be reserved for close friends and family.

I hope the lesson we learn from this great pause isn't fleeting. I have thoroughly enjoyed this time with my 26 year old son. I soft toss him in the batting cage, something I haven't done in years. We cook together, enjoy a drink out back in the evenings and play games. We've always been close but this last month has been amazing and I think will be time we both look back on our whole lives fondly.

I feel this last month provided a reset from the rat race and pressure I've felt most of my adult life. I intend to simplify going forward and I hope others get that chance too.


Great points. Sunday, I sat outside and realized I had nothing that is was worried about in the background. Just enjoying my kids and wife. I get to experience my kiddos while young and it's been a blessing. Also, I've taken stock in what real direction I want to take going forward in terms of career. Why do crap I hate without at least a real game plan to get to what I do love doing to make money. Sure, work at "a job" to save up money to be able to do what I want. Without the grind going on filling up my mind I can think a little clearer than normal.
I understand completely the difference there is in our ability to take stock and enjoy our every day life without the "background noise", always something we should be doing other then relaxing with those we love. Incredibly well said.
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bay fan said:

Capitol Ag said:

bay fan said:

I personally won't shoot my hand out when I meet someone anymore. It seems common sense we adapt and form a new custom, a slight head bow perhaps. Hugs and hand shakes will be reserved for close friends and family.

I hope the lesson we learn from this great pause isn't fleeting. I have thoroughly enjoyed this time with my 26 year old son. I soft toss him in the batting cage, something I haven't done in years. We cook together, enjoy a drink out back in the evenings and play games. We've always been close but this last month has been amazing and I think will be time we both look back on our whole lives fondly.

I feel this last month provided a reset from the rat race and pressure I've felt most of my adult life. I intend to simplify going forward and I hope others get that chance too.


Great points. Sunday, I sat outside and realized I had nothing that is was worried about in the background. Just enjoying my kids and wife. I get to experience my kiddos while young and it's been a blessing. Also, I've taken stock in what real direction I want to take going forward in terms of career. Why do crap I hate without at least a real game plan to get to what I do love doing to make money. Sure, work at "a job" to save up money to be able to do what I want. Without the grind going on filling up my mind I can think a little clearer than normal.
I understand completely the difference there is in our ability to take stock and enjoy our every day life without the "background noise", always something we should be doing other then relaxing with those we love. Incredibly well said.


That's great that you can feel that way, but there are a lot more people worried if they are going to get a paycheck next month or if their business that they have put their entire lives into is going to go bankrupt because of media driven hysteria. So in my opinion that's a pretty stupid and selfish way to feel.
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1939 said:

bay fan said:

Capitol Ag said:

bay fan said:

I personally won't shoot my hand out when I meet someone anymore. It seems common sense we adapt and form a new custom, a slight head bow perhaps. Hugs and hand shakes will be reserved for close friends and family.

I hope the lesson we learn from this great pause isn't fleeting. I have thoroughly enjoyed this time with my 26 year old son. I soft toss him in the batting cage, something I haven't done in years. We cook together, enjoy a drink out back in the evenings and play games. We've always been close but this last month has been amazing and I think will be time we both look back on our whole lives fondly.

I feel this last month provided a reset from the rat race and pressure I've felt most of my adult life. I intend to simplify going forward and I hope others get that chance too.


Great points. Sunday, I sat outside and realized I had nothing that is was worried about in the background. Just enjoying my kids and wife. I get to experience my kiddos while young and it's been a blessing. Also, I've taken stock in what real direction I want to take going forward in terms of career. Why do crap I hate without at least a real game plan to get to what I do love doing to make money. Sure, work at "a job" to save up money to be able to do what I want. Without the grind going on filling up my mind I can think a little clearer than normal.
I understand completely the difference there is in our ability to take stock and enjoy our every day life without the "background noise", always something we should be doing other then relaxing with those we love. Incredibly well said.


That's great that you can feel that way, but there are a lot more people worried if they are going to get a paycheck next month or if their business that they have put their entire lives into is going to go bankrupt because of media driven hysteria. So in my opinion that's a pretty stupid and selfish way to feel.
I don't think it's a stupid or selfish way to feel - any more than wanting to get back to work is stupid or selfish. But it is a luxury to be able to see this as a chance to simplify and enjoy the peace it brings. Many people don't have that luxury; they're desperately scrambling for unemployment, to keep or find health insurance, to teach their kids, to keep their businesses afloat whether as owners or employees. For them it's been an unmitigated nightmare, and it won't get better anytime soon.
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Right. How is that any more selfish than not worrying about who dies because you are not in that demographic?

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As someone who has worked from home for 20+ years, WFH when your kids are at school during the day is MUCH easier then having kids quarantined in the house with you.
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I hope people stay the hell out of the ER like they have
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Pumpkinhead said:

As someone who has worked from home for 20+ years, WFH when your kids are at school during the day is MUCH easier then having kids quarantined in the house with you.
Absolutely. I worked form home for 5+ years before I went back to being a W2 employee - with full-time childcare. There's no comparison. Add in the fact that the district is expecting me to teach them for a couple of hours a day on top of the general mayhem of having bored kids with limited outside opportunities and it becomes very challenging.

The reason it impacts WFH opportunities once we get back to normal is that a boss or manager won't really get that unless they're doing it themselves. What they see is the limited productivity and I can see a lot of companies deciding that WFH ends once all this is over.
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Pumpkinhead said:

As someone who has worked from home for 20+ years, WFH when your kids are at school during the day is MUCH easier then having kids quarantined in the house with you.
Peter, this is a big problem and something I hope the gov't takes into consideration. I think alot of folks w/o kids are forgetting this part of the solution.
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1939 said:

Nothing will change


This. Maybe we wash our hands more but that is about it.
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I think there could be a shift in our economic thinking in determining compensation. As indicated earlier, sports and entertainment industries have proved to be marginal. They may produce income, but their venues require large crowds to provide the atmosphere for games, whether televised or not. Large crowds are not healthy. Additionally, the celebrity economy which dominated so much social media has largely been diminished as well. We now recognize the important people in our lives: grocery store employees, delivery drivers, OTR truck drivers, first responders and of course, medical people. I hope that we recognize their sacrifices in tangible, financial ways.
I do understand people wanting to return to their old ways of earning income, but the post Covid 19 economy has tremendous potential. I see interviews with out of work people who are hoping for financial assistance when supermarkets and delivery companies have huge needs for people and are paying premium wages. As a previous poster indicated, this is a chance to reset psychologically and find new opportunities in an economy where people return to the basics of life, not the unnecessary luxuries.
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UTExan said:

I think there could be a shift in our economic thinking in determining compensation. As indicated earlier, sports and entertainment industries have proved to be marginal. They may produce income, but their venues require large crowds to provide the atmosphere for games, whether televised or not. Large crowds are not healthy. Additionally, the celebrity economy which dominated so much social media has largely been diminished as well. We now recognize the important people in our lives: grocery store employees, delivery drivers, OTR truck drivers, first responders and of course, medical people. I hope that we recognize their sacrifices in tangible, financial ways.
I do understand people wanting to return to their old ways of earning income, but the post Covid 19 economy has tremendous potential. I see interviews with out of work people who are hoping for financial assistance when supermarkets and delivery companies have huge needs for people and are paying premium wages. As a previous poster indicated, this is a chance to reset psychologically and find new opportunities in an economy where people return to the basics of life, not the unnecessary luxuries.


The reason I don't see this happening mostly is because sports and movies are entertainment that are escapism. In America, due to a more globalized economy, we've essentially pushed the average work week from 40 hours to 45-50 hours. Before a more globalized economy, more people could knock off at 5pm and not worry about having to call Asia at 8pm that evening, As good as technology is, back then, people weren't getting a call at 8pm from their boss to fix a small emergency by popping open their computer for 30 minutes.

As long as the work culture in America is to trend toward being available and blurring the lines more and more between work and home, sports and movies/entertainment will be an industry people will seek some refuge in. Further, athletics and the movies/theater have been a part of human existence for centuries. I Just don't see this pandemic stamping that out.
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CastleRock said:

agsalaska said:

I would like to think, and I know this will not happen en mass, but I hope that some people at least learn a lesson from it and figure out a way to live within their means.

I got laid off in 2014 from a company I had been with for 15 years(since graduation). We were bought out and told to get gone. I had a nice salary and a big house in Grapevine. And two car payments. And credit cards etc.

My wife and I learned a lesson from that. When we moved to Central Texas we bought a home for maybe a quarter of what we were approved for. It's a nice home and a great place to raise our children. We bought our last two cars outright. We own our boat outright. We have no credit card debt. Etc. Etc. We decided that we should be able to survive on two ten dollar an hour jobs. And we could if we absolutely had too.

That's not to say we dont spend money. We do. The four of us went to Alaska last year and rented an RV for 8 days. We went skiing, Vegas, etc. And we have our investments and land and what not. We pretty much do what we want. And we certainly don't try to earn to our lifestyle. We are hoping to grow our new business into a monster. But that business could make me a million dollars a year or be a bust. Either way it will not change our daily lives.

Considering what we are going thru right now and our business is non essential, I am feeling pretty good about the decisions we made. I hope others learn to do the same thing. I could not imagine going thru this right now worried about the things I was worried about in 2014.


It's a nice fantasy to afford 2 cars, a boat and a house and take multiple vacations on a $10/hr job.


He said they bought them outright, as in no monthly payment - why couldn't they keep them on a $10/hr job? He's not saying they could afford to buy 2 cars and a boat on a $10/hr jo. That's his point about living within the means they currently have and prepare a budget for if they had to scale down. The $10/hr job is a way to budget for all of the other stuff - the mortgage (assuming house isn't paid off), food, insurance, and other living expenses given an event that causes them to go into that scenario.
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1939 said:

bay fan said:

Capitol Ag said:

bay fan said:

I personally won't shoot my hand out when I meet someone anymore. It seems common sense we adapt and form a new custom, a slight head bow perhaps. Hugs and hand shakes will be reserved for close friends and family.

I hope the lesson we learn from this great pause isn't fleeting. I have thoroughly enjoyed this time with my 26 year old son. I soft toss him in the batting cage, something I haven't done in years. We cook together, enjoy a drink out back in the evenings and play games. We've always been close but this last month has been amazing and I think will be time we both look back on our whole lives fondly.

I feel this last month provided a reset from the rat race and pressure I've felt most of my adult life. I intend to simplify going forward and I hope others get that chance too.


Great points. Sunday, I sat outside and realized I had nothing that is was worried about in the background. Just enjoying my kids and wife. I get to experience my kiddos while young and it's been a blessing. Also, I've taken stock in what real direction I want to take going forward in terms of career. Why do crap I hate without at least a real game plan to get to what I do love doing to make money. Sure, work at "a job" to save up money to be able to do what I want. Without the grind going on filling up my mind I can think a little clearer than normal.
I understand completely the difference there is in our ability to take stock and enjoy our every day life without the "background noise", always something we should be doing other then relaxing with those we love. Incredibly well said.


That's great that you can feel that way, but there are a lot more people worried if they are going to get a paycheck next month or if their business that they have put their entire lives into is going to go bankrupt because of media driven hysteria. So in my opinion that's a pretty stupid and selfish way to feel.
You must have missed the part where I said I am a commission only independent contractor. I don't get a pay check either. If you think me embracing this pause rather then fighting something I can't change is stupid and selfish, well, i can't help you there.
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TXAggie2011 said:

Keegan99 said:

Much more probable this came from the nearby lab that was doing research on novel bat coronaviruses than the wet market.
More probable based on what? That sure as heck isn't where the science is pointing.


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