I have seen ideas like this kicked around and wondering what thoughts are on this. I don't know exactly how they would be broken down, but something like:

Tier 0 - Shelter in Place rules, much like we are currently
Tier 1 - Cases / Deaths decreasing in your county, more restrictions lifted
Progressing to Tier 4 or so, Fully opened.

The status in a county would be continuously monitored and a County can go up or down the Tier Status based on current situation in that county. This would leave a lot of the responsibility on us as citizens to behave responsibly in order to gradually re-open everything.

Want to be a "Murrica, but muh rights" type and refuse to follow basic social distancing, wear a mask, etc and see cases climb in your county? Great, you just dipped back to Tier 0 and SIP. Act responsibly as a county and see cases decline, awesome, move up a Tier and see more places opening up. IMO, how responsibly we act to curb cases should be rewarded in our particular County. I use counties only because I don't think it's feasible to break it down by municipality, etc. Also is better than every rural county being subjected to the situation going on in Dallas, Harris, Bexar, etc.

I cant believe this is where we are.

I'll take that as you believe we should open everything immediately?

Player To Be Named Later said:

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I'll take that as you believe we should open everything immediately?

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Take it however you please.

I think there are many states that could open immediately.

Well, since you don't feel like giving a real thought on how we should proceed, folks will be left to just guess. But thanks for the drive-by "insight"

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I think there are many states that could open immediately.

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Agree. Places like Wyoming probably don't need to be shut down.

Because right now I don't think it's the intelligent thing to do. But that's my opinion and why I wonder what people think about a Tiered approach. It is somewhere in the middle of "keep it locked down" and "Open everything".

Of course, nobody in this country seems to have any ability to compromise on anything or have legitimate and honest discussions these days, so I don't really expect any. One can keep hoping we learn those abilities again though.

This forum, when initially opened, was great. Then every polarized opinion made its way here and it's gone to hell, like about everything else lately.

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Well, since you don't feel like giving a real thought on how we should proceed, folks will be left to just guess. But thanks for the drive-by "insight"

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Anytime,

Edit: will add one item to consideration: Economic devastation to the county. Number of layoffs, etc.

Also, The idea on the shutdown was to not overrun the healthcare system. We got away from that narrative and...

"I cant believe this is where we are at"

I don't have the ability to compromise on thinking that some should have their business forced to be closed while other businesses that may or may not even be more "essential" are still open, especially when many are open on loopholes. That's probably where quite a few of us lie.

I do have the ability to compromise on the rules/regulations those should have to abide by in order to be open and/or out in public to keep us under the breaking point for hospitals.

So I think the tier should be opposite. You are in tier 4 with strict rules and regulations, meaning any business can be open under those laid out rules and regulations. Breaking those rules lead to lowering a tier and/or a forced shut down for breaking the rules. Not the opposite of having to earn your way up. We just need to come up with the best set of rules that everyone has to abide by that can keep America running while also preventing us from being overwhelmed in the medical community. To me, that is far better than mandatory shut downs for millions of Americans and now we've gone to the point where it's about saving every life to some when that was never realistic.

Most of this would naturally work itself out, meaning in areas like New York shutting things down out of fear/lack of people going out. But at least then it's not mandatory and everyone had a fighting chance.

Govt planning and "insight" was the driving force behind this disaster. Open it up and let the free market work. Central planning is what we thought it was.

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to that approach either. Although, given the number of people who seem dead set on behaving as if this is all a joke in my county, I'd see us falling down a couple of tiers in very short order.

If we had the ability to act intelligently on our own, many of these orders wouldn't be in place now. IMO, they only became more strict because people are in large part pretty stubborn and stupid.

The strictness came because we were all shocked at what the models predicted.

You are quick to not have a discussion.

For discussion purposes why do think it is not intelligent?

Sorry, in my county/city that is pretty accurate. And I started this thread so we could try to have a discussion on how we open things.

But like everything else in this day and age people are clinging hard to their polar opposites and not willing to budge.

sbs said:

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I think there are many states that could open immediately.

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Like South Dakota was just a day ago? Would you open it today?

mccjames said:

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You are quick to not have a discussion.

For discussion purposes why do think it is not intelligent?

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Because I don't think that we are quite ready to just open everything up. We haven't even reach the projected peak in Texas and we are thinking we should just go back to 100% normal before then?

barnyard1996 said:

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Player To Be Named Later said:

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Well, since you don't feel like giving a real thought on how we should proceed, folks will be left to just guess. But thanks for the drive-by "insight"

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Anytime,

Edit: will add one item to consideration: Economic devastation to the county. Number of layoffs, etc.

Also, The idea on the shutdown was to not overrun the healthcare system. We got away from that narrative and...

"I cant believe this is where we are at"

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That's my biggest gripe. The original goal was to prevent the overrun of the hospitals. That worked and I can live with that goal. But it morphed so fast into save every life which means this can never end.

Jack Boyett said:

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barnyard1996 said:

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Player To Be Named Later said:

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Well, since you don't feel like giving a real thought on how we should proceed, folks will be left to just guess. But thanks for the drive-by "insight"

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Anytime,

Edit: will add one item to consideration: Economic devastation to the county. Number of layoffs, etc.

Also, The idea on the shutdown was to not overrun the healthcare system. We got away from that narrative and...

"I cant believe this is where we are at"

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That's my biggest gripe. The original goal was to prevent the overrun of the hospitals. That worked and I can live with that goal. But it morphed so fast into save every life which means this can never end.

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That's still my goal. But I think if we 100% opened everything tomorrow we would still be in a place that we risk over running hospitals. Some disagree and think the hospitals would be fine if we went back to complete normalcy, and that' fine. I just don't think we're there yet.

Misled from the start with terrible projections by "smart" people who love "discussions". Now OP suggests we get our country back based on a conduct grade.

WTF?

https://www.omaha.com/money/owner-of-nebraska-crossing-outlets-plans-to-reopen-mall-this-month-amid-pandemic/article_f603e94f-87db-585b-8933-fd56b99a6865.html

We're going to get a good test case at an outlet mall just outside of Omaha, Nebraska. Interesting, it's already becoming very political, as we received a biased poll asking if we were "embarrassed by Pete Ricketts" for not preventing the opening. Certainly hope it goes well...

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I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to that approach either. Although, given the number of people who seem dead set on behaving as if this is all a joke in my county, I'd see us falling down a couple of tiers in very short order.

If we had the ability to act intelligently on our own, many of these orders wouldn't be in place now. IMO, they only became more strict because people are in large part pretty stubborn and stupid.

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People going to work, the grocery store. home repair stores and walking in the parks are 'taking this all a joke?' Not everyone gets the luxury of judging others while perched upon their ivory tower. From my admittedly limited experience (as we've barely left the neighborhood in the last month, because we don't have to) it seems to me a vast majority of people, even casually, are taking this very seriously even if only due to social pressures and keeping up appearances of social distancing. Yes there are some families that are breaking social distancing norms but at least in my neighborhood it seems to be the same families/friends over and over again. But then again maybe we're both suffering from observer bias.

barnyard1996 said:

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Misled from the start with terrible projections by "smart" people who love "discussions". Now OP suggests we get our country back based on a conduct grade.

WTF?

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It isn't necessarily "Conduct Grade". Not sure why you can't really see that. It would depend largely on whether cases began to drastically climb in each area. Maybe that depends on how we act, maybe it doesn't. But I think if people could carry about their lives with at least some common sense and not rush back to acting like nothing is going on, we would be able to avoid that situation.

We all want, or should want, the same two things..... for businesses to be open and people working and to be as safe as we can while accomplishing that.

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sbs said:

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I think there are many states that could open immediately.

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Like South Dakota was just a day ago? Would you open it today?

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South Dakota is still not projected to exceed their medical resources.

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mccjames said:

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You are quick to not have a discussion.

For discussion purposes why do think it is not intelligent?

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Because I don't think that we are quite ready to just open everything up. We haven't even reach the projected peak in Texas and we are thinking we should just go back to 100% normal before then?

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To me, if we just throw a switch and say go go go it will almost immediately undo everything we gained from this shut down. All will be for naught if we just return to life as normal only with more cases out in the public then we started with.

I think it will need to be titrated back to normal and there will be pauses and even crack downs over many months. Personally I would like to know if a continued strict shut down through May would knock the number of cases down and allow us to get back up to open at full strength more quickly then what seems will be a largely disorganized rush to open. Likely this disorganized approach will lead to the extension of the problem rather then the solution.

Jack Boyett said:

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Govt planning and "insight" was the driving force behind this disaster. Open it up and let the free market work. Central planning is what we thought it was.

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Is that why nobody is flying planes? Because there are still a lot of flights even after most of the fleet of aircraft are idled and they are almost completely empty. People's behavoir has changed since the virus has infected our society. You could call that a free market impact of this virus.

Jack Boyett said:

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barnyard1996 said:

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Player To Be Named Later said:

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Well, since you don't feel like giving a real thought on how we should proceed, folks will be left to just guess. But thanks for the drive-by "insight"

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Anytime,

Edit: will add one item to consideration: Economic devastation to the county. Number of layoffs, etc.

Also, The idea on the shutdown was to not overrun the healthcare system. We got away from that narrative and...

"I cant believe this is where we are at"

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That's my biggest gripe. The original goal was to prevent the overrun of the hospitals. That worked and I can live with that goal. But it morphed so fast into save every life which means this can never end.

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Hospitals can still be overrun. Guess what happens ~3 weeks from now if the virus spreads as quickly as it was before. The only way to prevent hospital overruns in the future is to get current infected count down to a manageable number so that we can limit it's spread.

But again there's plenty of evidence that controlling this virus is the most important variable for the health and recovery of our economy as well.

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barnyard1996 said:

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Misled from the start with terrible projections by "smart" people who love "discussions". Now OP suggests we get our country back based on a conduct grade.

WTF?

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It isn't necessarily "Conduct Grade". Not sure why you can't really see that. It would depend largely on whether cases began to drastically climb in each area. Maybe that depends on how we act, maybe it doesn't. But I think if people could carry about their lives with at least some common sense and not rush back to acting like nothing is going on, we would be able to avoid that situation.

We all want, or should want, the same two things..... for businesses to be open and people working and to be as safe as we can while accomplishing that.

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Its wasnt about "cases" in the beginning. it was about "hospitalization rates".

The irony, We have laid off thousands of healthcare workers.