https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/04/15/cdc-fema-have-created-a-plan-to-reopen-america-heres-what-it-says/

Thanks. That's the exact same article. Hopefully everyone can read that one. Lots to digest there....

I couldn't agree more.

Gordo14 said:

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Jack Boyett said:

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Govt planning and "insight" was the driving force behind this disaster. Open it up and let the free market work. Central planning is what we thought it was.

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Is that why nobody is flying planes? Because there are still a lot of flights even after most of the fleet of aircraft are idled and they are almost completely empty. People's behavoir has changed since the virus has infected our society. You could call that a free market impact of this virus.

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It's not a free market though. One of the reasons people aren't flying is because wherever they fly to is most likely shut down. Can't do anything touristy or even go to a restaurant.

I mean I have a beach rental set for Florida in June. I can't even say the beaches will be open by then, let alone any restaurants or equipment rental vendors/fishing.

I could go all internet tough guy and say it can't touch me I'm invincible hurrdurrhurrdurr, but what's the point if you set two toes on sand and the cops run you off?

Player To Be Named Later said:

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Because right now I don't think it's the intelligent thing to do. But that's my opinion and why I wonder what people think about a Tiered approach. It is somewhere in the middle of "keep it locked down" and "Open everything".

Of course, nobody in this country seems to have any ability to compromise on anything or have legitimate and honest discussions these days, so I don't really expect any. One can keep hoping we learn those abilities again though.

This forum, when initially opened, was great. Then every polarized opinion made its way here and it's gone to hell, like about everything else lately.

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Yep. I thought this forum was Covid and not partisan.
Thoughts on re-opening: restaurants might be trickiest due to distancing and masking protocols but it could theoretically be done. What is at issue is a restaurant's ability to prosper since most depend on high volume business. Longer hours of service? Who knows because this could change the restaurant business for a long time.

I have been thinking a lot about this and agree with the premise there needs to be some "tiered" system that correlates with that particular region's current infection and hospitalization rate. However I would propose that the tiered system involve sizes of gatherings or persons per square feet.

For instance, the current guidelines are < 10 people. That is essentially our "tier" now. Within the next couple weeks and certainly by mid-May I would like to see those guidelines relaxed but in a "stepped" pattern. You would automatically advance to the next tier unless current positives or hospitalizations reaches/passes a set threshold that decreases your tier or keeps you at the current one. For example this pattern

May 1: < 15
May 5: < 20
May 10: < 25
May 15: < 40
May 20: < 60

That way we are slowly opening things back up but still being able to test and know what's going on in that "incubation" period between contracting the virus and first sign of symptom onset which is reportedly 3-7 days. If the community appears to be handling larger gatherings well, then you can proceed. If infections start to spike again, then you keep at current levels or start going back down.

This keeps social distancing measures somewhat intact while we flatten the curve, opens businesses up but still keeps some control in case adjustments need to be made for specific regions since everyone is on a different timeline.

May 1st- 10 people
May 15th- 50 people
June 1st- 1/2 fire code
June 15th- Full fire code

I think a tiered response will be almost impossible to manage or enforce.

Millions of people are already pissed at the ambiguous "essential" business labels, selective enforcement of social distancing policy, and just tired or being home.

A tiered response will require a more draconian enforcement policy at the city, county and state level. Otherwise you will not get participation.

If the govt starts picking who can open up when i think there will be trouble.

agenjake said:

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May 1st- 10 people
May 15th- 50 people
June 1st- 1/2 fire code
June 15th- Full fire code

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It's funny to go back and read optimism like this.

notex said:

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agenjake said:

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May 1st- 10 people
May 15th- 50 people
June 1st- 1/2 fire code
June 15th- Full fire code

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It's funny to go back and read optimism like this.

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Why? Seem to be a full capacity almost everywhere I have been. My gym is packed, retail doesn't seem to be too limited outside of a few stores that are choosing to limit capacity. Restaurants are limited but a lot of people are getting delivered or to go. We knew there would be spikes along the way going forward. I do think its a "what can a person stomach" type of thing no doubt. Until there is a vaccine, this is going to have to be a situation where we focus on treatment more then on containment.

Capitol Ag said:

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notex said:

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agenjake said:

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May 1st- 10 people
May 15th- 50 people
June 1st- 1/2 fire code
June 15th- Full fire code

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It's funny to go back and read optimism like this.

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Why? Seem to be a full capacity almost everywhere I have been. My gym is packed, retail doesn't seem to be too limited outside of a few stores that are choosing to limit capacity. Restaurants are limited but a lot of people are getting delivered or to go. We knew there would be spikes along the way going forward. I do think its a "what can a person stomach" type of thing no doubt. Until there is a vaccine, this is going to have to be a situation where we focus on treatment more then on containment.

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We surely aren't fully open even in Texas, and yes, restaurants/bars are still taking a financial thrashing.

The bigger picture, both nationally and globally, is that the post I quoted was, at the time, a realistic expectation, yet in many places (such as, oh, California/Michigan/Biden-land), we are hearing things like Xmas has to be cancelled this year, probably take another year to open everything back up etc.

If I'd had a semblance of how they'd play this for years, I'd have refused to ever wear or buy a mask.

notex said:

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Capitol Ag said:

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notex said:

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agenjake said:

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May 1st- 10 people
May 15th- 50 people
June 1st- 1/2 fire code
June 15th- Full fire code

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It's funny to go back and read optimism like this.

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Why? Seem to be a full capacity almost everywhere I have been. My gym is packed, retail doesn't seem to be too limited outside of a few stores that are choosing to limit capacity. Restaurants are limited but a lot of people are getting delivered or to go. We knew there would be spikes along the way going forward. I do think its a "what can a person stomach" type of thing no doubt. Until there is a vaccine, this is going to have to be a situation where we focus on treatment more then on containment.

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We surely aren't fully open even in Texas, and yes, restaurants/bars are still taking a financial thrashing.

The bigger picture, both nationally and globally, is that the post I quoted was, at the time, a realistic expectation, yet in many places (such as, oh, California/Michigan/Biden-land), we are hearing things like Xmas has to be cancelled this year, probably take another year to open everything back up etc.

If I'd had a semblance of how they'd play this for years, I'd have refused to ever wear or buy a mask.

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I hear you. I think I misunderstood you at first. Yes, I amazed to see how locked down other states are and how willing way too many of those states' citizens have been ok with it. Obviously there has been protest and anger in certain places, like Michigan, but its beyond ridiculous to see the level of shut down we see in California, Michigan, NY, Pennsylvania etc.

Texas needs to open restaurants fully. At this point, let the citizens be the deciding factor and work on ensuring there is enough resources available to treat those that are ill.

I agree with with your statement about knowning the future. I'll admit I was for a 2 week slow down. 4 weeks tops. But now I realize that the shut down has had a lot to do with how people view the virus and why many are still too scared to leave their homes. It's given that element who has control in certain cities and states the excuse to keep things closed. More than the masks to me, its the whole thing. Being in TX, we can easily forget what its like to still have no gyms, restaurants shut down, etc. My friends who moved here from California are so glad they are here. They show me their FB "friends" shunning others who leave their houses or get together. It's sad.