I was reading the NYC doctor that has been leading the charge and noticed that said that they are not doing autopsies but at this rate they do not have time. So with that the CDC has confirmed or presumed COVID deaths. I know they live on top of each other but may explain why NYC has almost half of the US deaths.

Really just wanted to see actual numbers of who, what, when, and where was happening.

CDC info

Total deaths - 9681
New York City alone - 4168
New York - 1493
Next closest state is New Jersey 593
So New York accounts for over 58% of the deaths and almost 10 times as high as any another state. Dang that place must be a huge cluster right now.

California has the most deaths from everything at 56,682 but only 349 COVID deaths compared to NYC at 18991 dead with 4168 COVID related. So 22% of those who died presumed to have died from COVID

Out of 9681 deaths only 12 people under 24 have died so 0.12%. Thankfully this is not like the Spanish flu that knocked out a lot of 18-35 year olds

Almost 60% of deaths are male, not a shocker here.

A little over 10% of deaths have occurred at nursing homes. With roughly 4.5% of the population living in nursing homes that is a huge percentage.

From this count the deaths by race are below
Asian - 5%
Black - 32%
Latino - 14%
White - 46%
Other - 3%

Compare that to race overall and you see this thing is hitting the black community hard, a few studies have shown 10-18% of the black population to have diabetes which may contribute to this. Compare that to 7-8% of white.
White - 76.5%
Black - 13.4%
Asian - 5.9%
Latino - 18.3%

I was just doing some quick searching but if anyone has information on obesity, hypertension, etc. that would be something else to add. I would say smokers but I know a ton of people that lie that they don't smoke to doctors.

While I get sort of defensive when people from Europe try to suggest the US has the worst situation in the world, because we have the most deaths and cases, because on a per capita basis we are better than most places in the world, I have to admit that it is striking that NY State would have the highest per capita death total in the world by a decent margin if it was it's own country. It's significantly younger than Italy and Spain in terms of median age, too.

PJYoung said:

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Yikes for Chicago, Detroit, Boston, and Philly. Those are some scary slopes.

So that means New York has over twice as many deaths as the rest of the country COMBINED since I am seeing over 10,000 deaths there with the addition of 3700+?. That puts NY with a population of 8.4 million rating fifth in the world for deaths of all countries (leaving the rest of the US in there). I know NY is ahead of the curve but with Young graphing these they are just a huge outlier that makes it hard to believe.

HotardAg07 said:

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While I get sort of defensive when people from Europe try to suggest the US has the worst situation in the world, because we have the most deaths and cases, because on a per capita basis we are better than most places in the world, I have to admit that it is striking that NY State would have the highest per capita death total in the world by a decent margin if it was it's own country. It's significantly younger than Italy and Spain in terms of median age, too.

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If we're going to pull out individual areas of countries, then the Lombardy region of Italy still has a healthy lead on New York state. The death rate there is about 50% above New York, plus there are all kinds of news stories of an undercount of COVID deaths around Milan and Bergamo.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1099389/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/

It's hard to make sense out of how much harder hit the number make NYC appear when compared to Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago. How did this start in China and hit Italy so hard so fast. It's very interesting to watch. Italy has large tourist traffic, but doesn't Greece as well? This seems to almost entirely have skipped Greece.

Complete Idiot said:

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It's hard to make sense out of how much harder hit the number make NYC appear when compared to Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago. How did this start in China and hit Italy so hard so fast. It's very interesting to watch. Italy has large tourist traffic, but doesn't Greece as well? This seems to almost entirely have skipped Greece.

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Northern Italy has a lot of manufacturing funded and run by the Chinese. Add that to their hug a Chinese person day and there you go. Around 10 years ago we started seeing a lot of Italian companies make copies of American products and we could not figure it out until we went to visit, a lot of Chinese workers that are all in the same industrial area. They have a lot more travel between the Chinese and northern Italy manufacturing center than tourist.

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Complete Idiot said:

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It's hard to make sense out of how much harder hit the number make NYC appear when compared to Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago. How did this start in China and hit Italy so hard so fast. It's very interesting to watch. Italy has large tourist traffic, but doesn't Greece as well? This seems to almost entirely have skipped Greece.

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Northern Italy has a lot of manufacturing funded and run by the Chinese. Add that to their hug a Chinese person day and there you go. Around 10 years ago we started seeing a lot of Italian companies make copies of American products and we could not figure it out until we went to visit, a lot of Chinese workers that are all in the same industrial area. They have a lot more travel between the Chinese and northern Italy manufacturing center than tourist.

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That's very interesting - thanks for the education!

This is a great chart to put on a semi log scale. I think you'd see less difference between the major metro areas.

Good to know, I am more familiar with the industrial side and know there is a ton of them in the northern area.

pocketrockets06 said:

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This is a great chart to put on a semi log scale. I think you'd see less difference between the major metro areas.

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It's from the briefing on Monday the 13th. Dr. Birx talked about it.

Have there been any comparisons to typical mortality rates vs current in some of these high risk areas? I feel like that could tell us a lot about whether or not those deaths are linked to COVID-10.

I can't find the article at the moment, but there was a story a few weeks ago talking about how while many think deaths have been overstated there's also evidence the other way. There was the mayor of a small Italian town who'd only had 150 or so COVID related deaths, but their mortality rate for the last few months was 3 or 4x their typical average.