https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/17/politics/greg-abbott-texas-coronavirus/index.html

" Plans for opening businesses will be announced on April 27, depending on whether the state has been able to contain the coronavirus, but schools will be closed for the remainder of the school year. Abbott, a Republican, stressed that the framework would be determined by "data and by doctors" and continued adherence to social distancing guidelines."

Regardless of if you agree with what he's doing, it's nice to end the speculation and vagueness of it all and finally at least have something close to a timeframe.

I am sticking by my prediction that this is too early and we will be closed again by October.

Still seems pretty vague. Does Texas have the testing and contact tracers in place to keep this thing under control or is reopening putting us right back to the middle of March?

Duncan Idaho said:

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I am sticking by my prediction that this is too early and we will be closed again by October.

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That all depends how presidential polling is going.

This is a one shot deal

People will revolt if a shutdown is ordered anytime in the near future, second wave or not

I will go against your prediction and say the new norm will be social distancing and facemask, but business as usual.

Duncan Idaho said:

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I am sticking by my prediction that this is too early and we will be closed again by October.

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NP. We'll stand with our prediction of telling you "I told you so" when that doesn't happen.

Duncan Idaho said:

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I am sticking by my prediction that this is too early and we will be closed again by October.

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Take a look at the NY data. The virus poses basically no risk to healthy people under 45 for sure, and probably more like under 60. You could do a much more targeted recommendation for older people to social distance, isolate, etc. which would be almost as effective as a total lockdown but which wouldn't destroy what's left of the economy by Oct.

People in their 20s and 30s would jam pack every bar in town tomorrow night if they were reopened

They're not opening tomorrow so....
He didn't say anything remotely close to that.

TexasAggie008 said:

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People in their 20s and 30s would jam pack every bar in town tomorrow night if they were reopened

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That's not a good thing?

Crocs said:

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/17/politics/greg-abbott-texas-coronavirus/index.html

" Plans for opening businesses will be announced on April 27, depending on whether the state has been able to contain the coronavirus, but schools will be closed for the remainder of the school year. Abbott, a Republican, stressed that the framework would be determined by "data and by doctors" and continued adherence to social distancing guidelines."

Regardless of if you agree with what he's doing, it's nice to end the speculation and vagueness of it all and finally at least have something close to a timeframe.

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Sorry. Abbott's "plan" is anything but a plan, and is vague as all get out.

It is a good thing

I was saying that in response to the comment about social distancing being "the new normal"

The idea people are going to be skittish about going to restaurants / bars / stadiums is way off base

Aren't you a Debbie Downer

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Crocs said:

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/17/politics/greg-abbott-texas-coronavirus/index.html

" Plans for opening businesses will be announced on April 27, depending on whether the state has been able to contain the coronavirus, but schools will be closed for the remainder of the school year. Abbott, a Republican, stressed that the framework would be determined by "data and by doctors" and continued adherence to social distancing guidelines."

Regardless of if you agree with what he's doing, it's nice to end the speculation and vagueness of it all and finally at least have something close to a timeframe.

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Sorry. Abbott's "plan" is anything but a plan, and is vague as all get out.

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Did you watch the news conference? What type of detail were you expecting out of this process? Below is a decent re-cap and in addition all schools are closed from the remainder of the 19-20 calendar year.

The first phase came in a series of executive orders issued Friday. One order allows for product pickup at retail stores what Abbott described as "retail-to-go" that will begin April 24. Outlets will be allowed to bring orders straight to customers' cars in a manner similar to how many restaurants are currently offering curbside pickup.
Another order, which goes into effect 11:59 p.m. Tuesday, will allow a limited amount of nonessential surgeries at hospitals, as long as those surgeries don't deplete the hospitals' supplies of personal protective equipment and allow the facilities to keep at least 25% of their capacity available for the treatment of patients with COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus.
A third order will allow state parks to open Monday. Visitors to parks will be required to wear masks and keep a safe distance from people outside their households.
Additional openings will be announced April 27 "after further input from medical staff," Abbott said.

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Crocs said:

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/17/politics/greg-abbott-texas-coronavirus/index.html

" Plans for opening businesses will be announced on April 27, depending on whether the state has been able to contain the coronavirus, but schools will be closed for the remainder of the school year. Abbott, a Republican, stressed that the framework would be determined by "data and by doctors" and continued adherence to social distancing guidelines."

Regardless of if you agree with what he's doing, it's nice to end the speculation and vagueness of it all and finally at least have something close to a timeframe.

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Sorry. Abbott's "plan" is anything but a plan, and is vague as all get out.

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Did you watch the news conference? What type of detail were you expecting out of this process? Below is a decent re-cap and in addition all schools are closed from the remainder of the 19-20 calendar year.

The first phase came in a series of executive orders issued Friday. One order allows for product pickup at retail stores what Abbott described as "retail-to-go" that will begin April 24. Outlets will be allowed to bring orders straight to customers' cars in a manner similar to how many restaurants are currently offering curbside pickup.
Another order, which goes into effect 11:59 p.m. Tuesday, will allow a limited amount of nonessential surgeries at hospitals, as long as those surgeries don't deplete the hospitals' supplies of personal protective equipment and allow the facilities to keep at least 25% of their capacity available for the treatment of patients with COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus.
A third order will allow state parks to open Monday. Visitors to parks will be required to wear masks and keep a safe distance from people outside their households.
Additional openings will be announced April 27 "after further input from medical staff," Abbott said.

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I watched the first part. Sam Houston (or a Texas leader in his spirit) would have said Texas is ready to get on with it, and will be open for business starting May 1. There could be some nuance and phasing to it, but the clear message would be: 1. the virus is under control; 2. Texas is getting back to business.

Instead, Abbott started rattling off all these people he's put on this committee (aka strike force) to make recommendations. This thing jumped the shark a week or 2 ago (at least), and Abbott didn't do near enough to get it back on track.

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TexasAggie008 said:

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People in their 20s and 30s would jam pack every bar in town tomorrow night if they were reopened

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That's not a good thing?

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for the economy, its a great thing.

for preventing spread of the disease? its a bad thing.

Texas is predicted to peak around 30 April.

Reopening the state in early May at peak infection seems like a major gamble.

Duncan Idaho said:

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I am sticking by my prediction that this is too early and we will be closed again by October.

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I say stay open even if there's a spike. Just my opinion and I won't win humanitarian awards for it, but find the greater evil would be closing back up. Given that the vast majority will be fine if the even catch Covid-19, I'm not really worried about it. Being at risk, I'll take the precautions necessary to eliminate my risk, which in turn will eliminate the risk others around might have.

It would be if our "peak" was close to healthcare capacity. It's not. We've flattened the curve well and now need to think about how to open back while still stay well under that capacity.

Hopefully this lets the youngsters get out on the field and play sports this summer.

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Texas is predicted to peak around 30 April.

Reopening the state in early May at peak infection seems like a major gamble.

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Every day we leave it closed is a major gamble.

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JesusQuintana said:

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Crocs said:

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/17/politics/greg-abbott-texas-coronavirus/index.html

" Plans for opening businesses will be announced on April 27, depending on whether the state has been able to contain the coronavirus, but schools will be closed for the remainder of the school year. Abbott, a Republican, stressed that the framework would be determined by "data and by doctors" and continued adherence to social distancing guidelines."

Regardless of if you agree with what he's doing, it's nice to end the speculation and vagueness of it all and finally at least have something close to a timeframe.

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Sorry. Abbott's "plan" is anything but a plan, and is vague as all get out.

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Did you watch the news conference? What type of detail were you expecting out of this process? Below is a decent re-cap and in addition all schools are closed from the remainder of the 19-20 calendar year.

The first phase came in a series of executive orders issued Friday. One order allows for product pickup at retail stores what Abbott described as "retail-to-go" that will begin April 24. Outlets will be allowed to bring orders straight to customers' cars in a manner similar to how many restaurants are currently offering curbside pickup.
Another order, which goes into effect 11:59 p.m. Tuesday, will allow a limited amount of nonessential surgeries at hospitals, as long as those surgeries don't deplete the hospitals' supplies of personal protective equipment and allow the facilities to keep at least 25% of their capacity available for the treatment of patients with COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus.
A third order will allow state parks to open Monday. Visitors to parks will be required to wear masks and keep a safe distance from people outside their households.
Additional openings will be announced April 27 "after further input from medical staff," Abbott said.

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I watched the first part. Sam Houston (or a Texas leader in his spirit) would have said Texas is ready to get on with it, and will be open for business starting May 1. There could be some nuance and phasing to it, but the clear message would be: 1. the virus is under control; 2. Texas is getting back to business.

Instead, Abbott started rattling off all these people he's put on this committee (aka strike force) to make recommendations. This thing jumped the shark a week or 2 ago (at least), and Abbott didn't do near enough to get it back on track.

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He didn't do near enough based on what exactly...your opinion? What did you realistically expect him to do? I am pretty sure he is attempting to manage the situation with the input of professionals in multiple fields hence the task force...which is the same thing the POTUS is and has done. We all want things to get back to normal, but having some expectation that we would go from shelter in place to attending astros games and packing lupe tortilla on friday night is unrealistic.

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I watched the first part. Sam Houston (or a Texas leader in his spirit) would have said Texas is ready to get on with it, and will be open for business starting May 1.

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You mean the Sam Houston that methodically and patiently took his time after the Alamo to strike at the right time much to the displeasure of his troops to the point some even deserted?

Or the Sam Houston that lost his office because he refused to join the confederacy because he knew it was a lost cause.

That Sam Houston?

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Duncan Idaho said:

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I am sticking by my prediction that this is too early and we will be closed again by October.

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I say stay open even if there's a spike. Just my opinion and I won't win humanitarian awards for it, but find the greater evil would be closing back up. Given that the vast majority will be fine if the even catch Covid-19, I'm not really worried about it. Being at risk, I'll take the precautions necessary to eliminate my risk, which in turn will eliminate the risk others around might have.

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You can do that up to a certain point. Once you hit capacity at a hospital you're putting everyone at risk, not just the at risk covid patients. No room for car accidents, strokes, falls, etc that affect all ages. So far we've done an excellent job staying under capacity, way under. The problem is, by the time you realize there's a problem with capacity, because of covid, you've gotta put drastic measures in place to stop it.

I guess we'll be hoping social distancing keeps the numbers low.

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I'm really convinced we never reach that point. And hopefully we have increased the capacity during our time off.

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We have and I hope you're right! Just like to throw that reminder out.

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I watched the first part. Sam Houston (or a Texas leader in his spirit) would have said Texas is ready to get on with it, and will be open for business starting May 1.

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You mean the Sam Houston that methodically and patiently took his time after the Alamo to strike at the right time much to the displeasure of his troops to the point some even deserted?

Or the Sam Houston that lost his office because he refused to join the confederacy because he knew it was a lost cause.

That Sam Houston?

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Yes. The Sam Houston that defeated the Mexicans at San Jacinto.

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Exactly. After taking his time and being patient.

Duncan Idaho said:

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I am sticking by my prediction that this is too early and we will be closed again by October.

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so what happens when you are wrong.




....nothing...right......