https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/04/21/coronavirus-spread-restaurant-seating-sanjay-gupta-newday-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/

On one hand this seems ludicrous that 8 people could be infected by being in the same restaurant w one infected
person. However, the logic here, assuming the evidence is right, is that the virus is so highly contagious that it makes it overwhelmingly believable that results of antibody tests that imply an infection rate of 30-40% of general population are spot on.

Otherwise it is flat attempt of demagoguery (by CNN) to put the nail in the coffin of restaurant owners.

Not sure they expect anyone to follow the logic of the claims.

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Otherwise it is flat attempt of demagoguery (by CNN) to put the nail in the coffin of restaurant owners.

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I don't think they care about the restaurant owners. They just want to drive clicks through stories like this one.

the point is this type of contagion confirms the alleged 30-50% of New York should have already been infected.
Imagine how many on a subway car on a ride across town would have been infected... then multiply by tens of thousands. It can spread farther than your body odor after a work out in a gym! lmao

So mortality rate must be way below 0.1% if Gupta and his "science" is correct

JP_Losman said:

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https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/04/21/coronavirus-spread-restaurant-seating-sanjay-gupta-newday-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/

On one hand this seems ludicrous that 8 people could be infected by being in the same restaurant w one infected
person. However, the logic here, assuming the evidence is right, is that the virus is so highly contagious that it makes it overwhelmingly believable that results of antibody tests that imply an infection rate of 30-40% of general population are spot on.

Otherwise it is flat attempt of demagoguery (by CNN) to put the nail in the coffin of restaurant owners.

Not sure they expect anyone to follow the logic of the claims.

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The recent Stanford and LA studies that people, including me, got excited about showed that for the areas studied the actual # of people who had had the virus could be 50-85 times higher than confirmed positive with a test.

However, that was not 30-40% of that total population. Even at 85 times higher than tested positive, it represented 3% of the population.

Are there European antibody tests that have shown infection rates as high as 30-40% of population as of today?

JP_Losman said:

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the point is this type of contagion confirms the alleged 30-50% of New York should have already been infected.
Imagine how many on a subway car on a ride across town would have been infected... then multiply by tens of thousands. It can spread farther than your body odor after a work out in a gym! lmao

So mortality rate must be way below 0.1% if Gupta and his "science" is correct

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If it's below 0.1% then 100%+ of NY State is infected.

The mortality rate may differ across regions. I think when the dust settles the total U.S. IFR will be between .2-.4%

So a bad flu season.

Just do the math to see how implausible the claim is. If 8 people in a 30 foot radius of one person at a restaurant for infected, imagine a Knick game or a subway ride to a museum. It would spread like measles.

JP_Losman said:

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Just do the math to see how implausible the claim is. If 8 people in a 30 foot radius of one person at a restaurant for infected, imagine a Knick game or a subway ride to a museum. It would spread like measles.

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Yep, maybe that's why we've cancelled everything?

1) not everyone is a super spreader, just like not everyone shows symptoms

2) it seems that attack rate and viral load is a function of proximity, ventilation, and duration

you can come into brief contact and not get attacked. but sit down next to a guy at the knicks game and yeah you might get attacked and a lot of viral load at that

Exactly.

Can staff add a flag for "Chinese Communist Party Propaganda"?

Well they could reopen their economy while keeping everyone else locked down and gain more economic power. They will pursue any approach that increases their power.

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Can staff add a flag for "Chinese Communist Party Propaganda"?

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What Gumby said or a thousand other reasons. I won't purport to understand the CCP's methods. Just understanding who the source is ought to be enough.

In the immortal words of some dude from Hong Kong: "DO NOT TRUST CHINA! CHINA IS ASS HOLE!"

If you think that's crazy, go look up how infectious measles is.

Measles is insane. It has an RO of 18!!! I read an article about it when this all started about how measles spreads - it is literally a perfect infectious disease from an evolutionary standpoint.

Yeah how do we not all have this if some dude can pass it to a 3rd of a restaurant just through breathing the same air.

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normaleagle05 said:

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This is the same CCP propaganda piece we discussed yesterday now rebroadcast by CNN as fact.

https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3107960/replies/56416675#56416675

Stop believing the Chinese Communist Party.

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Why would the CCP be spreading propaganda that makes the virus seem worse?

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Seriously?

Disinformation to encourage the US to keep economy shut down longer isn't beneficial to China?

You think they're concerned about "bad press" in the homeland?

I would expect all of us by now to be more critical of modeled results.

The scenario's that Goofball should had discussed could have included that are more diverse then what was presented. It is almost like CNN wants to spread gloom
And doom.....com'on do ya think?

1.) table of 3 to 4 in a 80% full restaurant with "x" of table in a density (people per sq ft). This could be called worse case.

2.) Run the above with only 2 people per table.

3.) Run the above with 2 people per every other table. (Reduced occupancy).

4.) Run all of the above assume the place to eat in an out door area.

Maybe assume all countertops will be cleaned with soap and water.

Maybe the food portions will be smaller.


Overtime we have built this irritation with the CNN's of the world because they don't ask questions to inform us. They feed us a narrative of their choice and this is a classical case of it.

Would have been nice to see a story that would give strategies about different scenarios that would present a best outcome other then your dinner guest is going to be the Grim Reaper.

How do they know the others in the restaurant got Covid in this setting? Was there some sort of control after this event that prevented them from having contact with others that may have led to them being infected? What about prior to this meal? This comes across as simplistic and overly hyped, but maybe there is more info that allows for this certainty?

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I surprised that this data is seen as unbelievable to people.

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It's not that the information presented is on its face completely unbelievable. It's that the source of the information is an apparatus of the CCP. They are completely unreliable. Worse, they use bad information as a weapon.

normaleagle05 said:

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This is the same CCP propaganda piece we discussed yesterday now rebroadcast by CNN as fact.

https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3107960/replies/56416675#56416675

Stop believing the Chinese Communist Party.

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It was junk science then and remains so.

CNN is a POS dumpster fire and anyone who buys their BS is a moron.

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The mortality rate may differ across regions. I think when the dust settles the total U.S. IFR will be between .2-.4%

So a bad flu season.

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CDC estimates for the 2018-2019 flu season are just over 32,000 deaths.

We've just passed 46,000 Covid-19 deaths in the US since February with half the country in quarantine. Safe to say this is worse than a bad flu season.

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dragmagpuff said:

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I surprised that this data is seen as unbelievable to people.

Here's a Seattle super spread event where ~60 people went to a choir practice and 45 got sick (28 confirmed positive tests at the time).

Here's the US pork plant where so far there are 180 confirmed out of 2,800 total employees.

There are clearly certain situations that allow for super spreading events like the restaurant example. It doesn't mean that that is the average scenario.

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This is supposed to be a fact-based board.

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What part of citing two events that were known to spread the virus to a good number of people isn't fact based?

Facts that don't fit the poster's preferred narrative, perhaps?