Are the lockdowns working?

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9:28a, 4/25/20
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My gut tells me no, and Sweden will certainly be an incredible case study experiment, but Carl Tuckerson makes some valid points in this monologue.

It's worth noting that early on, even before the other networks or anyone else on Fox News was, Carl was blasting politicians for not being more afraid of the dangers of this virus. In fact he was quite alarmist, which flew in the face of how I would have expected him to react. Whether or not his fears have subsided, he doesn't seem to be a fan of the lockdowns. Watch for yourself and decide.


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In reply to Guy on a Buffalo • 9:35a, 4/25/20
Tucker Carlson says what up
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9:37a, 4/25/20
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China locked down Wuhan because they could. And still, they lied about the numbers.

The rest of the world took these **** numbers and saw this as something that would help stop the spread of the disease, so they did it too.

This entire thing is based on **** numbers from Wuhan and the toll it took on northern Italy's elderly population. Full stop.

We implemented the playbook of an authoritarian Communist government. And most people did and still do applaud that fact. Did it help? Probably not. But here we are.

Brave ("New Normal") World.
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9:37a, 4/25/20
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Carler Tuckson?
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9:54a, 4/25/20
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Everyone acts like Sweden is just rolling along as normal because they didn't "shut things down".

The fact is that a majority of Swedes are voluntarily doing most of the things that other countries are requiring. It's not like Swedes are out in crowded restaurants/bars, traveling around all over the country, and gathering in large groups. I really cant figure out why everyone is acting like Sweden is just 100% open and behaving normally. So the govt didn't "require" many lock downs..... but in large part, Swedes are behaving rationally because they're pretty smart.

I really hate that I see things this way, but I'm pretty positive that if our govt followed Sweden's lead, we'd really be screwed, because people would be at full mega churches, packing restaurants, etc.

We really should just stop this myth that Sweden is carrying on as normal.
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10:02a, 4/25/20
please define working , also depends on what you believe
do you belive the ppe shortage was real and was an issue and that the situation has improved
do you believe only places like Milan and NYC are susceptible to extreme outbreaks because urban density
do you believe the drs have gotten better at treating hospitalized patients
do you believe the mortality rate is 1 out of 1000 or 7 out of a 1000
do you believe heat sunlight and humidity will reduce the contagiousness of covid
lastly do you believe people would go to the amusement parks, conventions, concerts, sporting events, movies and restaurants during a pandemic if those places/events were open ?
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 10:05a, 4/25/20
AG
Player, I actually hope you are wrong because if you are right when we open back up that will be a big problem.

Open safe practices.
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In reply to DadHammer • 10:11a, 4/25/20
AG
DadHammer said:
Player, I actually hope you are wrong because if you are right when we open back up that will be a big problem.

Open safe practices.
Maybe you have a greater faith in our society to behave rationally and with intelligence.

I on the other hand watch all these idiots at these rallies and fail to see a lot of intelligence..... and I'm about the farthest thing from a lefty Dem as you'll find. Most of the people I've seen at these "Open it Up" rallies embarrass me to be honest.

I HOPE that our society behaves with some intelligence when we open things...... I don't have much confidence that they will. Hope I'm proven wrong.
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 10:12a, 4/25/20
AG
This is also my thought. Sweden's population is much more compliant to simple suggestion. Put out some simple guideline, and they are more likely to take it seriously.
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 10:12a, 4/25/20
Player To Be Named Later said:
Everyone acts like Sweden is just rolling along as normal because they didn't "shut things down".

The fact is that a majority of Swedes are voluntarily doing most of the things that other countries are requiring. It's not like Swedes are out in crowded restaurants/bars, traveling around all over the country, and gathering in large groups. I really cant figure out why everyone is acting like Sweden is just 100% open and behaving normally. So the govt didn't "require" many lock downs..... but in large part, Swedes are behaving rationally because they're pretty smart.

I really hate that I see things this way, but I'm pretty positive that if our govt followed Sweden's lead, we'd really be screwed, because people would be at full mega churches, packing restaurants, etc.

We really should just stop this myth that Sweden is carrying on as normal.
Then let Americans make there own decisions too. The market would pick winners and losers.
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In reply to ursusguy • 10:14a, 4/25/20
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ursusguy said:
This is also my thought. Sweden's population is much more compliant to simple suggestion. Put out some simple guideline, and they are more likely to take it seriously.
A lot of our "policies" wouldn't have been enacted if people had voluntarily acted with some logic, reason, and caution. My belief is that policy makers looked on as a lot of people acted like fools and felt they had to do things they really didn't want to have to do.

A lot of normally very conservative Judges, mayors, etc made shelter in place decisions that they probably really didn't relish enacting, in large part because people were being idiots.
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 10:21a, 4/25/20
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ursusguy said:
This is also my thought. Sweden's population is much more compliant to simple suggestion. Put out some simple guideline, and they are more likely to take it seriously.
A lot of our "policies" wouldn't have been enacted if people had voluntarily acted with some logic, reason, and caution. My belief is that policy makers looked on as a lot of people acted like fools and felt they had to do things they really didn't want to have to do.

A lot of normally very conservative Judges, mayors, etc made shelter in place decisions that they probably really didn't relish enacting, in large part because people were being idiots.
Neither my conservative Mayor nor my conservative County Judge issued a SIP order. We are restricted by the state government only.
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In reply to The_Fox • 10:22a, 4/25/20
AG
I said a lot, not every.
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 10:24a, 4/25/20
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I said a lot, not every.
Then let my city and county decide for themselves. You know freedom? We know our situation better than Austin.
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10:25a, 4/25/20
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"It's controversial not to have ordered a shutdown, but the government says it wanted to create a "livable lockdown" and this will continue for many, many months."

Keep in mind a large portion of Sweden's population already works from home. This wasn't a huge shock for them.
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In reply to The_Fox • 10:25a, 4/25/20
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The_Fox said:
Player To Be Named Later said:
I said a lot, not every.
Then let my city and county decide for themselves. You know freedom? We know our situation better than Austin.
Tell that to your conservative Governor
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 10:26a, 4/25/20
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The_Fox said:
Player To Be Named Later said:
I said a lot, not every.
Then let my city and county decide for themselves. You know freedom? We know our situation better than Austin.
Tell that to your conservative Governor
I didn't vote for wheels.
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In reply to The_Fox • 10:26a, 4/25/20
AG
The_Fox said:
Player To Be Named Later said:
The_Fox said:
Player To Be Named Later said:
I said a lot, not every.
Then let my city and county decide for themselves. You know freedom? We know our situation better than Austin.
Tell that to your conservative Governor
I didn't vote for wheels.
Jesus, you have an answer to everything.
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 10:28a, 4/25/20
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I really hate that I see things this way, but I'm pretty positive that if our govt followed Sweden's lead, we'd really be screwed, because people would be at full mega churches, packing restaurants, etc.


So? Even if that happened 99% of the country would've still survived and 26 million wouldn't be unemployed. Sounds like a win to me.
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10:29a, 4/25/20
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Considering it is effectively a density dependent disease, that may well play into the issue too. Heck, even in rural communities, we see clusters in locations where employees are packed together.
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10:30a, 4/25/20
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And as we've seen here, survived doesn't mean not screwed long term physically.
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 10:31a, 4/25/20
Player To Be Named Later said:
The_Fox said:
Player To Be Named Later said:
The_Fox said:
Player To Be Named Later said:
I said a lot, not every.
Then let my city and county decide for themselves. You know freedom? We know our situation better than Austin.
Tell that to your conservative Governor
I didn't vote for wheels.
Jesus, you have an answer to everything.
I am probably in the most conservative area of Texas and we have almost zero virus spread. This one size fits all approach is completely asinine.

And yes, I know for a fact that this would not be impacting my business if the local government was just open. My customer base is pretty much fixed irrespective of what I do as long as we are open for business. Every month we are closed, the business is losing about $20K.
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 10:36a, 4/25/20
Player To Be Named Later said:
Everyone acts like Sweden is just rolling along as normal because they didn't "shut things down".

The fact is that a majority of Swedes are voluntarily doing most of the things that other countries are requiring. It's not like Swedes are out in crowded restaurants/bars, traveling around all over the country, and gathering in large groups. I really cant figure out why everyone is acting like Sweden is just 100% open and behaving normally. So the govt didn't "require" many lock downs..... but in large part, Swedes are behaving rationally because they're pretty smart.

I really hate that I see things this way, but I'm pretty positive that if our govt followed Sweden's lead, we'd really be screwed, because people would be at full mega churches, packing restaurants, etc.

We really should just stop this myth that Sweden is carrying on as normal.


We should also stop the myth that Sweden's self imposed shelter in place is as restricted as the US. That's also bull**** and contradicts their estimates of 26% exposure and 50% estimated by the end of the month. You don't get that unless people are interracting closely.

Fact is, people are still going to bars, gyms, and night clubs. And as their method begins to show evidence of working, more people are going out.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52395866
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In reply to DadHammer • 10:57a, 4/25/20
DadHammer said:
Player, I actually hope you are wrong because if you are right when we open back up that will be a big problem.

Open safe practices.


Go read the thread on the metroplex board about Gloria's opening up. People completely ignoring social distancing waiting to get a table. So while the restaurant is doing what they should once you are seated, people are acting the fool waiting to get seated.

There are a lot of people that will continue to act the fool until someone in they know intimately dies. Then it will matter and they will start to call for what should have been happening. Ramping up testing, requiring of masks in public and at work, production of PPE and contact tracing capacity/capability to the war effort levels.

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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 11:01a, 4/25/20
Duncan Idaho said:
DadHammer said:
Player, I actually hope you are wrong because if you are right when we open back up that will be a big problem.

Open safe practices.



There are a lot of people that will continue to act the fool until someone in they know intimately dies.



For most that probably won't happen.
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 11:03a, 4/25/20
AG
Duncan Idaho said:
DadHammer said:
Player, I actually hope you are wrong because if you are right when we open back up that will be a big problem.

Open safe practices.


Go read the thread on the metroplex board about Gloria's opening up. People completely ignoring social distancing waiting to get a table. So while the restaurant is doing what they should once you are seated, people are acting the fool waiting to get seated.

There are a lot of people that will continue to act the fool until someone in they know intimately dies. Then it will matter and they will start to call for what should have been happening. Ramping up testing, requiring of masks in public and at work, production of PPE and contact tracing capacity/capability to the war effort levels.

There is probably some truth to that last paragraph. People will take it a lot more seriously when it hits home. And it is going to hit home for most people when it's all over so that should take care of itself.

Still no reason to keep things closed.
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 11:03a, 4/25/20
Duncan Idaho said:
DadHammer said:
Player, I actually hope you are wrong because if you are right when we open back up that will be a big problem.

Open safe practices.


Go read the thread on the metroplex board about Gloria's opening up. People completely ignoring social distancing waiting to get a table. So while the restaurant is doing what they should once you are seated, people are acting the fool waiting to get seated.

There are a lot of people that will continue to act the fool until someone in they know intimately dies. Then it will matter and they will start to call for what should have been happening. Ramping up testing, requiring of masks in public and at work, production of PPE and contact tracing capacity/capability to the war effort levels.

Testing no longer matters in the US for containment. South Korea had a coherent plan and can suspend privacy rights during a pandemic. That likely wouldn't fly here. Live free and suffer the consequences.
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In reply to SirLurksALot • 11:05a, 4/25/20
SirLurksALot said:
Duncan Idaho said:
DadHammer said:
Player, I actually hope you are wrong because if you are right when we open back up that will be a big problem.

Open safe practices.



There are a lot of people that will continue to act the fool until someone in they know intimately dies.



For most that probably won't happen.


Which is why I have been so pessimistic with regards to the body count
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In reply to SirLurksALot • 11:06a, 4/25/20
AG
SirLurksALot said:
Duncan Idaho said:
DadHammer said:
Player, I actually hope you are wrong because if you are right when we open back up that will be a big problem.

Open safe practices.



There are a lot of people that will continue to act the fool until someone in they know intimately dies.



For most that probably won't happen.
Oh I dount know about that. I still think the death toll is going to be high without a vaccine. I have seen no convincing argument otherwise. Say by the end of 2021.

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11:11a, 4/25/20
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I think they are working, but they aren't sustainable.

Step 1). Slow the spread with a lockdown.
Step 2). ???
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In reply to agsalaska • 11:16a, 4/25/20
agsalaska said:
SirLurksALot said:
Duncan Idaho said:
DadHammer said:
Player, I actually hope you are wrong because if you are right when we open back up that will be a big problem.

Open safe practices.



There are a lot of people that will continue to act the fool until someone in they know intimately dies.



For most that probably won't happen.
Oh I dount know about that. I still think the death toll is going to be high without a vaccine. I have seen no convincing argument otherwise. Say by the end of 2021.



In the worst case scenario 2 million deaths were modeled. That is 0.6% of the country. For arguments sake let's assume another 2 million have serious lasting effects from the virus. That means that 98.8% of people will have minor or no impacts.

Now let's assume that each of those 4 million each have 10 different people that they have intimate relationship with. That would mean that Approximately 88% of people won't even have a relationship with someone negatively affected. This is all assuming the worst case scenario. The number affected will likely be even lower.
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 11:18a, 4/25/20
AG
the key finding from Sweden is hospitalization rate and how schools are spreading it (given whatever precautions they have in place)
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In reply to Player To Be Named Later • 11:19a, 4/25/20
AG
look at it this way, if those people get it and spread and you stay away from them they'll learn their lesson, we'll get closer to herd, and the hospitals still will hold (in all likelihood)
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In reply to SirLurksALot • 11:22a, 4/25/20
AG
SirLurksALot said:
agsalaska said:
SirLurksALot said:
Duncan Idaho said:
DadHammer said:
Player, I actually hope you are wrong because if you are right when we open back up that will be a big problem.

Open safe practices.



There are a lot of people that will continue to act the fool until someone in they know intimately dies.



For most that probably won't happen.
Oh I dount know about that. I still think the death toll is going to be high without a vaccine. I have seen no convincing argument otherwise. Say by the end of 2021.



In the worst case scenario 2 million deaths were modeled. That is 0.6% of the country. For arguments sake let's assume another 2 million have serious lasting effects from the virus. That means that 98.8% of people will have minor or no impacts.

Now let's assume that each of those 4 million each have 10 different people that they have intimate relationship with. That would mean that Approximately 88% of people won't even have a relationship with someone negatively affected. This is all assuming the worst case scenario. The number affected will likely be even lower.
Yea I have no idea how many in the end. But there was a thread about a week ago with a bunch of people convinced it wouldn't hit 60k. Makes me wonder what they were looking at. It is going to fly by 60k next week.

I think your oversimplifying your second paragraph. But I am not giving, nor receiving, math lessons on this board.

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In reply to SirLurksALot • 11:32a, 4/25/20
The 2+mm dead models are the worst case. They make one optimistic assumption that hasn't been proven.

You have a significantly long enough lasting durable immunity after being infected.

Right now there is no evidence that this is true and mounting evidence that it isn't
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