WHO Says no evidence of immunity against second infection

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1:01p, 4/25/20
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I was a biology major in college. I love science and data. I BELIEVE in science and data.

But these guys have been the most inconsistent, quick to say the most destructive bull **** group of people I've ever received information from.



They also said this, so my trust in their credibility and expertise is fading fast, which sucks, because we need someone to trust these days.
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1:03p, 4/25/20
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If antibodies don't work, then we have no hope for a vaccine, right?

Since a vaccine only works by stimulating the body to produce antibodies.

Might as well end the lockdowns.
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In reply to Crocs • 1:07p, 4/25/20
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Fading fast?
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GAC06
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1:08p, 4/25/20
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That statement has absolutely no purpose other than inciting fear. They didn't say there's no immunity, they said there's "no evidence". What a piece of **** organization.
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1:09p, 4/25/20
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They also told us that it couldn't be transmitted from human to human.

The Who is full of it.
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1:11p, 4/25/20
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"No evidence infection does not confer immunity" would be more relevant, and equally accurate.
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In reply to Keegan99 • 1:13p, 4/25/20
Keegan99 said:
If antibodies don't work, then we have no hope for a vaccine, right?

Since a vaccine only works by stimulating the body to produce antibodies.

Might as well end the lockdowns.

That isn't what they are saying at all. It means that it isn't like chickenpox. Your body still makes antibodies. It means that they might not be durable for life.

This will probably be like the rabies vaccine your pets get. It will need to be taken on a recurring basis.

Not that it matters any more than the OP but I was also a biology major.
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1:14p, 4/25/20
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1:18p, 4/25/20
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The WHO has lost all credibility.
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1:31p, 4/25/20
I call BS. Maybe we won't develop full lasting immunity, but the mere fact that we create antibodies evidence in itself that this is wrong. Right? Does the alternative mean that it sticks around until it kills us all? That is, if it doesn't kill you on this infection, it will kill you on the 2nd or 105th infection?
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 1:33p, 4/25/20
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Duncan Idaho said:
Keegan99 said:
If antibodies don't work, then we have no hope for a vaccine, right?

Since a vaccine only works by stimulating the body to produce antibodies.

Might as well end the lockdowns.

That isn't what they are saying at all. It means that it isn't like chickenpox. Your body still makes antibodies. It means that they might not be durable for life.

This will probably be like the rabies vaccine your pets get. It will need to be taken on a recurring basis.

Not that it matters any more than the OP but I was also a biology major.


They could have said that. But they didn't.
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1:41p, 4/25/20
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Don't believe anything that comes from that POS entity.
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In reply to GAC06 • 1:44p, 4/25/20
I'm not even sure how he came up with that conclusion. The article linked sure doesn't lead to that either. It basically says there is nothing guaranteeing immunity, so therefore a "risk free certificate" or something similar to allow people back to work without restriction cannot be reasonably assumed accurate.

It's basically an argument against opening up economies, really has nothing to do with what he is saying about short term or long term immunity...

These two statements in the link are the crux of their release:

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Some governments have suggested that the detection of antibodies to the SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, could serve as the basis for an "immunity passport" or "risk-free certificate" that would enable individuals to travel or to return to work assuming that they are protected against re-infection. There is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection.

As of 24 April 2020, no study has evaluated whether the presence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 confers immunity to subsequent infection by this virus in humans.
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1:48p, 4/25/20
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Why are y'alls panties in a twist. If there is currently no evidence then there is no problem with reporting the fact
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1:48p, 4/25/20
I'm going to throw one more thing out there. I not a scientist, so be gentle.

We've been told that R0 is so great that this spreads extremely quickly. Now, if there was no immunity, wouldn't we know by now because so many people would be reinfected? It seems the reinfected are an outlier. It's kind of like that theory that if zombies or vampires existed, we'd all be zombies or vampires by now.
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In reply to Keegan99 • 1:52p, 4/25/20
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Keegan99 said:
If antibodies don't work, then we have no hope for a vaccine, right?

Since a vaccine only works by stimulating the body to produce antibodies.

Might as well end the lockdowns.
Fake news already reporting it as fact. Do they read, question or investigate ANYTHING?
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In reply to thelaw4 • 1:59p, 4/25/20
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thelaw4 said:
Why are y'alls panties in a twist. If there is currently no evidence then there is no problem with reporting the fact


There's no evidence COVID-19 exists on Pluto.

There's no evidence COVID-19 infection doesn't result in impotence.

There's no evidence COVID-19 infection doesn't result in gender dysphoria.
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 2:01p, 4/25/20
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Duncan Idaho said:
Keegan99 said:
If antibodies don't work, then we have no hope for a vaccine, right?

Since a vaccine only works by stimulating the body to produce antibodies.

Might as well end the lockdowns.

That isn't what they are saying at all. It means that it isn't like chickenpox. Your body still makes antibodies. It means that they might not be durable for life.

This will probably be like the rabies vaccine your pets get. It will need to be taken on a recurring basis.

Not that it matters any more than the OP but I was also a biology major.
We need a biology major badge. I would not qualify for one, but I read that release and there's no mention of durable immunity it's just no immunity. Whether your interpretation of it is that they're saying there's no durable immunity, the effect of it is that non-biology majors think there's no immunity at all from that release.
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In reply to GAC06 • 2:03p, 4/25/20
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GAC06 said:
thelaw4 said:
Why are y'alls panties in a twist. If there is currently no evidence then there is no problem with reporting the fact


There's no evidence COVID-19 exists on Pluto.

There's no evidence COVID-19 infection doesn't result in impotence.

There's no evidence COVID-19 infection doesn't result in gender dysphoria.
This, claiming lack of evidence is tantamount to claiming the evidence of absence to the general public and in this instance people are hoping for immunity to occur.
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In reply to KlinkerAg11 • 2:04p, 4/25/20
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KlinkerAg11 said:
They also told us that it couldn't be transmitted from human to human.

The Who is full of it.

Except this WHO who wrote the appropriate song a long time ago.
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In reply to hph6203 • 2:14p, 4/25/20
There is not a specific mentioned of "durable immunity" but the idea of "durable immunity" is the whole justification behind thr idea of "passports" mentioned in this quote
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Some governments have suggested that the detection of antibodies to the SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, could serve as the basis for an "immunity passport" or "risk-free certificate"


I'd be willing to bet that a(the?) Big driver behind this announcement is to try to stop "bug chasers" before they become a thing.
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2:29p, 4/25/20
I will post this here as well the last few minutes addess this issue

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2:53p, 4/25/20
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Don't care what who says!!!
I will begin to worry when Donald Trump says we're screwed!!!!!!
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3:02p, 4/25/20
Why would the WHO put out a statement like this? Really disappointing.

Edit: didn't see Duncans response. That does make some sense.
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In reply to ETFan • 3:03p, 4/25/20
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ETFan said:
Why would the WHO put out a statement like this? Really disappointing.


I've been disappointed in them since the very beginning Since February. They suck.
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3:12p, 4/25/20
It seems to me that the top officials of WHO should be prosecuted for criminal negligence in their investigations and reporting on this Covic-19 problem from the very start and that our country should completely shut down all funding for this organization which is acting as the chief health propaganda agency for Communist China. These reports are way, way beyond just being disappointing.
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5:27p, 4/25/20
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People actually read past "according to Chinese authorities"? That's exactly where I stopped reading
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5:32p, 4/25/20
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They are not saying there is no immunity... they are saying there is not evidence either way with the goal of making sure people that test positive are not bulletproof from this disease... at least not until they know more
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5:48p, 4/25/20
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6:06p, 4/25/20
It's misleading, but I don't mind them saying it. They're arguing against this immunity passport garbage leftists want us to carry around.
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6:27p, 4/25/20
The WHO... helping the CCP put the 'total dick' in 'totalitarian dictatorship'
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7:20p, 4/25/20
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We are now in a full on cold war with China. There is plenty of their propaganda ramping already. Be careful of your sources from now on
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In reply to GAC06 • 8:19p, 4/25/20
GAC06 said:
That statement has absolutely no purpose other than inciting fear. They didn't say there's no immunity, they said there's "no evidence". What a piece of **** organization.
Exactly right. The WHO is a Chinese lap dog.

The F*ing human body is confirmed to be making antibodies. A Known fact, then these antibodies must have the shortest shelf life of any known to real science. That or the WHO is full of ***** I'll go with the later.

If China is behind this disinformation it's close to an act of war. The US media should be vestigated for being on the take with the CCP. If they are they need to be skinned
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In reply to AggieJ2002 • 8:25p, 4/25/20
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They are not saying there is no immunity... they are saying there is not evidence either way with the goal of making sure people that test positive are not bulletproof from this disease... at least not until they know more
You really believe this.

This is basic biology. Which is all I have. Its enough to tell me this is bull ***** Does the body create antibodies for Sars 2.0 yes or no?

Duration of an antibody life cycle. Some antibodies last a lifetime. Most last years.
This is a fear generator. That or their PR people are TOTAL morons.
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In reply to KlinkerAg11 • 8:27p, 4/25/20
KlinkerAg11 said:
They also told us that it couldn't be transmitted from human to human.

The Who is full of it.
Then they told the world mask do not help. Japan and S Korea both called out those idiots.
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