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immediately get on hcq

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Do NOT get on hydroxychloroquine. PLease stop spreading the idea that this helps. There is no evidence that it works for COVID-19 and there are a lot of potential side effects.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86318

policywonk98 said:

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This picture contains two boats.

They have the same name, but they are not the same.

One is very easy to maintain and can change directions and avoid danger very quickly. The other cannot.

One takes mere seconds to pass out snacks to the occupants. The other takes multiple hours to pass out snacks to the occupants.

I will leave it to some of you to figure out the analogy here.

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Don't get stuck on the Diamond Princess if there's a COVID outbreak?

The thing is, it MIGHT be able to be done to temporarily look better(and even that I'm not sure of. I still say most of our numbers are from essential workers and we couldn't exactly send everyone into quarantine for 6 weeks. People had to get food for 330mm). Some of us just genuinely don't think it makes much of a difference in the long run. Unless we get a vaccine, better cure/treatment, or it just fizzles in strength/severity.

Unless you eradicate it across the entire globe, or prevent international travel for dang near a decade while the herd immunity doesn't exist, the flare ups seemingly will happen again. So we could eradicate(and again, major assumption here) this for all intents and purposes in the US, but in 6 months, a year, 18 months, the level of total outbreaks be the exact same anyways. Am I wrong for thinking that? Because that's how I genuinely feel.

Also, it isn't defeatist for those that just don't think it's worth it.

Less Chinitos = less Covid!

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policywonk98 said:

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This picture contains two boats.

They have the same name, but they are not the same.

One is very easy to maintain and can change directions and avoid danger very quickly. The other cannot.

One takes mere seconds to pass out snacks to the occupants. The other takes multiple hours to pass out snacks to the occupants.

I will leave it to some of you to figure out the analogy here.

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Yep. I love when examples like New Zealand and Singapore are thrown out as examples of what the U.S. should have done.

The U.S. is not New Zealand.

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We're also not Sweden

policywonk98 said:

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This picture contains two boats.

They have the same name, but they are not the same.

One is very easy to maintain and can change directions and avoid danger very quickly. The other cannot.

One takes mere seconds to pass out snacks to the occupants. The other takes multiple hours to pass out snacks to the occupants.

I will leave it to some of you to figure out the analogy here.

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I see two ships, one cruise ship and one Somali pirate ship.

Possibly because a lot more people down under have been vaccinated with the TB vaccine.

"Leadership matters"

New Zealand just allowed warrantless searches into homes and the starting point was allowing this for two years.

It got chiseled down to 90 days but still absolutely egregious.

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immediately get on hcq

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Do NOT get on hydroxychloroquine. PLease stop spreading the idea that this helps. There is no evidence that it works for COVID-19 and there are a lot of potential side effects.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86318

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There are few doctors posting here that prescribe this early on and believe it helps.


Do you know better than they do?

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Of course, because the internet said these other people said so.

policywonk98 said:

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This picture contains two boats.

They have the same name, but they are not the same.

One is very easy to maintain and can change directions and avoid danger very quickly. The other cannot.

One takes mere seconds to pass out snacks to the occupants. The other takes multiple hours to pass out snacks to the occupants.

I will leave it to some of you to figure out the analogy here.

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they are both named "She Talks too Much so I Got a Boat"?

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Honest question: do we even know if herd immunity is a thing with Covid? Flu comes back every year, and the common cold is always around. Are we just assuming this will be different. I hope it is, but I haven't really seen anything definitive

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No, we don't know yet and can't until many more months pass.

I think vegemite and kangaroos helped.

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anyone wondering why Mexico's numbers don't seem very high?

https://news.sky.com/story/mexico-city-underreporting-covid-19-deaths-sky-news-analysis-finds-11987235?fbclid=IwAR0AFq6vP_-xdX6nvbiIuIKZEDIesVnF0zrzi-NzBijNJudoJz9lgxuKn0w

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I can't speak for all of Mexico, but the beach/fishing town of Zihuatenejo in the state of Guerrero has been under very strict shelter at home rules. Zihua and surrounding towns are taking this very seriously because they realize they don't have the hospitals, healthcare, or resources to cope with a major outbreak. Many of the highways and toll roads that travelers would normally use to travel to Zihuatenejo from larger towns have been shut down for long periods of time to keep people off the roads. The small nearby villages of Troncones and Barra de Potosi have completely closed the towns. Nobody in or out. I have visited Zihuatenejo frequently since the 1980s and have local friends who live there and some expat friends. One of my expat friends is working with a big volunteer beans and rice program to help feed the poor. And local fishermen are giving lots of fish to the residents. I have been impressed with how well everyone down there seems to be working together and helping each other out with food and supplies. There isn't anything happening like what is going on in the US with one side arguing with the other about Covid-19.

ETA- as of yesterday they had 6 cases. They don't have a lot of testing resources, so there could be more.

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While there will always be some variables between different countries that you will not be able to control, but I do not see population and population density being any type of reason why we could not have and still can not enact some of the policies they are using. It's really a defeatist attitude of we can't, we couldn't, and really just excuses for something people do not want to partake in.

Would it make managing things more difficult? Yes, greater coordination would be needed but that goes back to preparation and planning. It can be done. Do we not have the best people and best technology with great leaders to make these things a reality?

I find it odd to be making these type of excuses for our country when that has never stopped us before in times of trial and fight.

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What you're suggesting is incompatible with personal freedom