MMR Vaccine Confers COVID-19 Protection?!

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341354165_MMR_Vaccine_Appears_to_Confer_Strong_Protection_from_COVID-19_Few_Deaths_from_SARS-CoV-2_in_Highly_Vaccinated_Populations

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The MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine was introduced in 1971. It was most commonly given as a single
vaccination from 1971-1978 then as a set of two vaccinations at least 28 days apart starting in 1979. Based upon its
year of introduction, most people today aged 49 and under would likely have had at least one MMR vaccination, and
those 41 and under would most likely have had two MMR vaccinations. This vaccine history may be a possible
explanation for a COVID-19 death rate pivot point close to age 50. The fact that some aged 40-49 only received a
single MRCV dose is a possible reason why this age range has a marginally higher death rate than those under 40.

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In countries where vaccination "catch up" programs have been instituted in recent decades there appears to be the
lowest incidence of death from COVID-19, and in a few countries no deaths at all. In many of these countries, two
doses of MRCV were given to older teenagers, and in some cases also to young adults, in addition to children.

The potential lethality of COVID-19 is related, in part, to it easy and rapid transmissibility, leading to wide-spread
exposure. Early data suggested that each person would likely transmit the virus to two other people, leading to a
quick, logarithmic progression of the infection. Under the theory of herd immunity, having large portions of the
population with immunity, dramatically reduces the transmissibility of the disease. It is not necessary in any single
population to vaccinate 100% of individuals with MRCV to eliminate nearly all deaths from COVID-19. Instead, one
has to only provide enough coverage with MRCV so that the effective reproductive number (R) of the virus through
each patient is less than 1, which stops the logarithmic progression. A drop in the R value below 1 likely explains why
several populations including those of Madagascar, Hong Kong, and South Korea, which have all had aggressive
MRCV vaccination programs, have reported so few deaths from COVID-19.

Published data demonstrates the following associations:

Madagascar, a country with 26.26 million people, recently vaccinated 7.2 million of its citizens (over 27.4% of the total
population) with MRCV in 2019. This is in addition to any citizens who may have already been vaccinated. There
have been no deaths at all from COVID-19 in Madagascar as of May 4, 2020. [2]

Hong Kong in 1997 initiated a mass immunization campaign targeting infants through 19-year old adults. During
2019, Hong Kong instituted a free MMR vaccination program for all adult healthcare workers, airport staff and foreign
domestic helpers, and also made MMR vaccinations available to many other adults seeking them. Hong Kong
continued this program into 2020. Only four people have died from COVID-19 in all of Hong Kong despite its
proximity the epicenter of the pandemic, just 563 miles away in Wuhan, China. Hong Kong is the world's fourth most
dense country in the world with a population nearly the size of New York City which recently had large scale protests,
with over 1 million people at some rallies, continuing well into 2020. Nonetheless, no new COVID-19 deaths have
been reported during the seven-week period ending 3 May 2020. [3] [4]

On the opposite end of the spectrum, Belgium is the country with the highest COVID-19 death rate in the world.
Belgium didn't even offer MMR vaccinations until 1985, and it wasn't until 1995 that it began giving the recommended
two doses of MMR vaccinations per person. Even though Belgium has a population just 54% larger than Hong Kong,
it has had a staggering 7,844 deaths from COVID-19, compared to Hong Kong's four. [5] [6]

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Several other countries which have reported zero or near zero deaths from COVID-19 have had aggressive MRCV
programs which include a large percent of the adult population: North Korea (many adults vaccinated through age
45), Turkmenistan (many adults vaccinated through age 40), Cook Islands (many adults vaccinated through age 35), Marshall Islands (many adults vaccinated through age 40), Solomon Islands (many adults vaccinated through age
29), and Tuvalu (many adults vaccinated through age 34).

South Korea had a huge outbreak of measles in 2000 - 2001 (55,707 reported cases) resulting in the government
going back and vaccinating its entire population at well above the typical child-only MRCV protocols in most other
countries. In addition to childhood immunizations, the South Korean military requires all new recruits to get two MMR
vaccinations. Since every male in the country is required to join the military between age 18 to 28, many men
received the MMR vaccine as many as three or four times, conferring maximum immunity. During measles outbreaks,
there have even been MMR vaccine shortages in South Korea as many in the adult population sought to get
immunized. South Korea is showing an unusually low incidence of death from COVID-19 as compared to other
countries with a similar timeline of initial infection. [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]

Many other countries which have MRCV programs reaching beyond young children are also seeing far fewer deaths
as well as much slower death doubling rates than most other countries from COVID-19. Such countries include:
Vietnam, Laos, Mongolia, Nepal, Maldives, Libya, Djibouti, Republic of Georgia, El Salvador, Uruguay, Nicaragua,
Guatemala, Belarus, Armenia, Oman, Somalia, Azerbaijan, Cambodia, Sri Lanka, Papua New Guinea, and
Micronesia. One small country in Asia, Bhutan, with zero COVID-19 deaths, has vaccinated nearly its entire
population of both children and adults with MRCV.

Another country on the opposite end of the spectrum, Italy had a large-scale measles outbreak in 2017 affecting over
4,000, caused by a much lower than typical MRCV rate in that country. The lack of sufficient MRCV is a possible
explanation why there has been a higher death rate in Italy from COVID-19 when compared to most other similarly
affected countries. The measles immunization rate in Italy in 2005 was just 85%, one of the lowest in Europe. [12]
[13] [14]

Analysis of data related to topics like MRCV are, of course, not always straightforward. For example, Iran is another
country that has been hard hit by COVID-19 deaths. Iran engaged in an aggressive MRCV strategy in 2003, which
one would normally expect to have had a protective effect as Iran vaccinated over 33 million of its citizens that year,
up through age 25. The reason that program likely did not protect the population substantially from COVID-19 is that
only one MRCV vaccination was given, while two at least 28 days apart are required for full effect. [15]

Further epidemiological evidence possibly supporting MRCV decreasing severity of COVID-19 cases can be obtained
from the U.S.S. Roosevelt. As of 30 April 2020, 1102 people on board the Roosevelt tested positive for COVID-19.
Although there was one crew member death early on, of 1102 current COVID-19 positive crew members only seven
have been hospitalized over the course of the outbreak, and no cases are currently in an ICU. [16] The data set
provided by the U.S.S. Roosevelt is unique because unlike the general population which typical receives only MMR
vaccinations as young children, the U.S. military gives all recruits new MMR vaccinations upon entry regardless of
prior vaccine history. This means nearly everyone on the U.S.S. Roosevelt most likely had updated MMR
vaccinations within the last several years. Most crew members of the U.S.S. Roosevelt likely fall into the 20-44 age
range which is known to have a typical COVID-19 hospitalization rate of 14.3-20.8%. Currently at only a 0.6%
hospitalization rate, the hospitalization rate for those on the U.S.S. Roosevelt appears to be around 20 times lower
than that for the general population of COVID-19 positive people in the same age range. [17] [18] [19]

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So you mean we can cull the anti-vax genes from the gene pool?

Seriously though, interesting read.
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Very interesting but again correlation doesn't always prove causation.

I wouldn't mind getting an MMR booster just in case.

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Interesting and would like to see more research on this. IF its true (huge if) that would be such good news.
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KidDoc said:

Very interesting but again correlation doesn't always prove causation.

I wouldn't mind getting an MMR booster just in case.


I was thinking the same thing... but I did get an MMR booster last year because of all the anti-vax nuts and the question marks in my own vaccination record from the 70s. Before our second grandchild arrived I decided to go ahead and get it just cause I could while I was getting my second TDAP booster.

I'd love it if they could prove it gave protection from the COVID. Win Win.
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I am right on that line....I wonder of I had mmr. Maybe my mom remembers
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If there is actually a protection by MMR, I wonder what the mechanism is? Is one of those viruses similar in structure or expressing a similar surface protein? Would be great if there is a true cause/effect.
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If there is a protection from this, we have our vaccine. All of us oldsters who actually had mumps, measles and such and did not get the shot could go get it . That would be the miracle we need.
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https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3108621/replies

I figured this out a month ago.
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3rd Generation Ag said:

If there is a protection from this, we have our vaccine. All of us oldsters who actually had mumps, measles and such and did not get the shot could go get it . That would be the miracle we need.
I'm an "old," but never had any childhood diseases.

Funny. My doc talked to me about shingles vaccine. I told him, I'd never had chicken pox. He said, "Oh you almost certainly had it, but you didn't realize it." So, they tested me. Nope. No antibodies, so I got a vaccine for chicken pox instead.

Ta da!
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Other old vaccines have been proposed as viable options after showing early results.

The general consensus was that the TB vaccine was "activating a general immune system ramp up" if I recall correctly.
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PPlayboy87 said:

3rd Generation Ag said:

If there is a protection from this, we have our vaccine. All of us oldsters who actually had mumps, measles and such and did not get the shot could go get it . That would be the miracle we need.
I'm an "old," but never had any childhood diseases.

Funny. My doc talked to me about shingles vaccine. I told him, I'd never had chicken pox. He said, "Oh you almost certainly had it, but you didn't realize it." So, they tested me. Nope. No antibodies, so I got a vaccine for chicken pox instead.

Ta da!


Damn! How in the world did you make it through childhood in the 70s and 80s and not get chicken pox??
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Duncan Idaho said:

I am right on that line....I wonder of I had mmr. Maybe my mom remembers
that's MMMR
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Yeah, us old folks just had M, M, & R in real life.
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If this is true I'm invincible. My rubella titers are always low so I get a booster every time they test me. I've got to be up to half a dozen rounds.
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saber69 said:

Yeah, us old folks just had M, M, & R in real life.
All I had was on M (mumps). I guess I must have had a deprived childhood.
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I only got a single dose as a child, but when I was starting graduate school the university required everyone to have had a second dose. At that time, Texas did not require it so my insurance would not cover it and my primary care doctor did not stock the vaccine for adults. I had to spend a lovely afternoon at the Texas Department of Public Health free vaccine clinic and actually beg them to give it to me. If this news is true, that would make the experience very worthwhile.
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I had to get a measles booster shot in the spring of 1989 (my sophomore year in college) after a measles outbreak among college students...those were required for those of us who had our initial MMR prior to 1980.
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MMR was given separately when I got mine in early 70's. Had the 2nd MMR a few years later. Then got another one at A&M as a freshman, oddly though, in October. Must have been some deadline. Today they probably wouldn't let you enroll.
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My kids now get the MMRV. The V is for chicken pox (varicella).
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I still think this is the most promising line of inquiry and may ask my GP for a booster. . . .

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/05/10/2030695/0/en/No-COVID-19-Cases-After-Measles-Campaign-with-MMR-Vaccine-in-American-Samoa-According-to-World-Organization.html

I still find these quotes amazing:
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The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reported that as of January 10, 2020, 82 percent of the population of American Samoa had been immunized with the MMR vaccine in response to a 2019 measles outbreak. The U.S. Department of the Interior provided funding to immunize the remaining eighteen percent of the population. The New York Times reported on May 6, 2020 that not only has American Samoa not had any COVID-19 deaths, it hasn't had any COVID-19 cases at all.
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Hong Kong is an example of a population which extended MMR vaccination campaigns to include many adults. A city with nearly the same population as New York City, and located just over 500 miles from Wuhan where the pandemic began, Hong Kong has seen only four COVID-19 deaths. By contrast, New York City has had 14,482 confirmed COVID-19 deaths and 5,313 probable COVID-19 deaths during the same period.
Hope to hear more about this. . . .
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have people started getting this vaccine as a preventative? What about older people that may or may not have had it? is it safe to do so? Would a doctor sign off on that?
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chris1515 said:

have people started getting this vaccine as a preventative? What about older people that may or may not have had it? is it safe to do so? Would a doctor sign off on that?
You can get any vaccine you want. Just ask for it.

Mr. GeographyAg and I both got it because of the insane anti-vax folks causing outbreaks near us.

Protection from Covid would just be an extra benefit.
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It would be great if this bears out.

Am I missing something though? The author is an independent researcher with ties to a charitable foundation that published the report?
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murphyag said:

PPlayboy87 said:

3rd Generation Ag said:

If there is a protection from this, we have our vaccine. All of us oldsters who actually had mumps, measles and such and did not get the shot could go get it . That would be the miracle we need.
I'm an "old," but never had any childhood diseases.

Funny. My doc talked to me about shingles vaccine. I told him, I'd never had chicken pox. He said, "Oh you almost certainly had it, but you didn't realize it." So, they tested me. Nope. No antibodies, so I got a vaccine for chicken pox instead.

Ta da!


Damn! How in the world did you make it through childhood in the 70s and 80s and not get chicken pox??
Yeah, one of my sisters and I got the measles at the same time while in grade school. Cleared up by Friday of that week so we were going back to school on Monday, until we both came down with the mumps over the weekend!

Funny thing is we both went to a little country school (2 classrooms with 4 grades in each with no more than 4 students in each grade) for my first 4 years and her first 2 years and we both had perfect attendance each year (actually received PA certificates each year). Then the country school was closed so ended up in public school, and then we both get hit with M&M the first year there...
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Gary79Ag said:

murphyag said:

PPlayboy87 said:

3rd Generation Ag said:

If there is a protection from this, we have our vaccine. All of us oldsters who actually had mumps, measles and such and did not get the shot could go get it . That would be the miracle we need.
I'm an "old," but never had any childhood diseases.

Funny. My doc talked to me about shingles vaccine. I told him, I'd never had chicken pox. He said, "Oh you almost certainly had it, but you didn't realize it." So, they tested me. Nope. No antibodies, so I got a vaccine for chicken pox instead.

Ta da!


Damn! How in the world did you make it through childhood in the 70s and 80s and not get chicken pox??
Yeah, one of my sisters and I got the measles at the same time while in grade school. Cleared up by Friday of that week so we were going back to school on Monday, until we both came down with the mumps over the weekend!

Funny thing is we both went to a little country school (2 classrooms with 4 grades in each with no more than 4 students in each grade) for my first 4 years and her first 2 years and we both had perfect attendance each year (actually received PA certificates each year). Then the country school was closed so ended up in public school, and then we both get hit with M&M the first year there...
Geez, that was a fun week!
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This would help explain why children, especially ones under 10, don't appear vulnerable to covid. Zero kids under 10 have died in Texas and only 2 kids aged 10-19.
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agforlife97 said:

This would help explain why children, especially ones under 10, don't appear vulnerable to covid. Zero kids under 10 have died in Texas and only 2 kids aged 10-19.


Would they say if they were anti vax kids or not? HIPPA?
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I wonder what ever happened to this? It seemed an interesting line of research but then seemed to just disappear.

Weird.
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Would genuinely love to see data on kids with severe COVID and what vaccinations they might have had. The USS Roosevelt had lower infection rates than one would have expected - was it due to standard DOD immunizations? Or because the population was younger and fitter? This is just fascinating to me.
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Wife and I are getting MMR vax in the morning
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I am as well. My husband has had three - 2 when he was a kid and a third once he went into the service. He is also had a constant blood pressure of below 100/60 and has been denied giving blood because they say his blood pressure is TOO low.

Been married for 15 years and he has never even had a cold - just allergies.

Not to mention his BMI is at 19 - *******.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kstp.com/articles/medical-expert-provides-context-on-research-into-existing-vaccines-covid-19-protection-5811994.html

It's in the news today
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The last 5 years?? Really - explain then why 35-40 year olds on the TR went untouched.

I can tell you as an eye witness - those navy boys eat! And smoke! They are not all navy seals and buff... they eat a lot of fast food when in port and a lot of those boys have type 1&2 diabetes.

They get loaded with 10-11 shots in boot on top of what they got as a kid.

And if you don't believe the TR - explain Hong Kong and American Samoa.

It may not prevent it - but it certainly takes it down a notch or two. Get a booster - what could it hurt?

My daughter and I are going first thing tomorrow. My husband won't let me go back to work until I do.
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