AggieYankee1 said:

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The last 5 years?? Really - explain then why 35-40 year olds on the TR went untouched.

I can tell you as an eye witness - those navy boys eat! And smoke! They are not all navy seals and buff... they eat a lot of fast food when in port and a lot of those boys have type 1&2 diabetes.

They get loaded with 10-11 shots in boot on top of what they got as a kid.

And if you don't believe the TR - explain Hong Kong and American Samoa.

It may not prevent it - but it certainly takes it down a notch or two. Get a booster - what could it hurt?

My daughter and I are going first thing tomorrow. My husband won't let me go back to work until I do.

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YOUR BODY! YOUR CHOICE!

oldyella said:

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AggieYankee1 said:

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The last 5 years?? Really - explain then why 35-40 year olds on the TR went untouched.

I can tell you as an eye witness - those navy boys eat! And smoke! They are not all navy seals and buff... they eat a lot of fast food when in port and a lot of those boys have type 1&2 diabetes.

They get loaded with 10-11 shots in boot on top of what they got as a kid.

And if you don't believe the TR - explain Hong Kong and American Samoa.

It may not prevent it - but it certainly takes it down a notch or two. Get a booster - what could it hurt?

My daughter and I are going first thing tomorrow. My husband won't let me go back to work until I do.

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I don't know what you mean but it certainly is my choice to also protect other people and not just myself. It's my body - you bet but that doesn't mean I can get my body drunk and go for a drive cause it's my choice - what I do affects other people therefore I do not do it - unless I'm a selfish b****

We scheduled online with the Walgreens near our house yesterday and showed up this morning and they acted like they didn't have any record of us and told us the other walgreens in our town does the MMR vax. We drove to the other walgreens and were able to get it.

I scheduled an appt for tomorrow morning at CVS Minute Clinic to get one

I wonder if exposure to MMR is part of it as well. A large amount of the general population doesn't ever get exposed to MMR so we need boosters compared to, say, health professionals who are more likely to be small exposures that act as a booster. And thus confers immunity to other diseases like covid (its kind of like the paradox that a super clean person gets sick all the time and the dirty person doesnt').

Which leads me to this article from CA:
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/07/28/health-care-workers-may-be-less-not-more-susceptible-to-covid-study-suggests/

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That 1% is far lower than what has been found in wider communities. Some 4-6% of residents in Los Angeles, Santa Clara and Riverside counties had COVID antibodies when surveillance testing was done there over recent weeks and months.

"This is what surprises some people," said Dr. Michael Brant-Zawadzki, principal investigator. "Despite the headlines you see saying health care workers are at higher risk of contracting the disease, we haven't seen that. In fact, we're seeing the reverse of that. The question is, why?"

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Higher PPE usage, more safety measures at home and probably less socializing generally but could a generally unhealthy workplace be a good thing overall?

When I google "MMR vaccine covid" all I see is these reports from late May - June. No updates. Have any studies been done? Any more information to support or contradict this original theory?

According to raw case numbers, South Korea has an IFR of over 2% (301 deaths over 14,389 cases). While those are incredibly low case numbers and deaths overall, that's not an unusually low IFR... does that contradict the MMR protection theory?

Here's an additional Vax, that potentially helps:

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/07/30/sciadv.abc1463

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BCG vaccination may reduce the risk of a range of infectious diseases, and if so, it could serve as a protective factor against COVID-19. Here, we compared countries that mandated BCG vaccination at least until 2000 with countries that did not. To minimize any systematic effects of reporting biases, we analyzed the rate of the day-by-day increase in both confirmed cases (135 countries) and deaths (134 countries) in the first 30-day period of country-wise outbreaks. The 30-day window was adjusted to begin at the country-wise onset of the pandemic. Linear mixed models revealed a significant effect of mandated BCG policies on the growth rate of both cases and deaths after controlling for median age, gross domestic product per capita, population density, population size, net migration rate, and various cultural dimensions (e.g., individualism). Our analysis suggests that mandated BCG vaccination can be effective in the fight against COVID-19.

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Interesting, that supports what I read somewhere that it isn't necessarily the type of vaccine but the immune system response it kicks into gear.

Madagascar has a median age under 20 years old I think. Pretty hard to have a lot of people die in that scenario, though I think their total deaths are now in the 30s. They also probably don't have the best reporting or testing either.

Hong Kong and Taiwan are used to pandemics and know how to manage them, and as islands it's easier (as is Madagascar). New Zealand for that matter, even Australia.

Doesn't mean MMR can't or doesn't help, but need causation and not just correlation.

oragator said:

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Madagascar has a median age under 20 years old I think. Pretty hard to have a lot of people die in that scenario, though I think their total deaths are now in the 30s. They also probably don't have the best reporting or testing either.

Hong Kong and Taiwan are used to pandemics and know how to manage them, and as islands it's easier (as is Madagascar). New Zealand for that matter, even Australia.

Doesn't mean MMR can't or doesn't help, but need causation and not just correlation.

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I had similar thoughts looking at those first few examples... Belgium does seem to me, at surface level, to seem a little more causal as I don't know immediate factors that would make them have a more rough time with Covid than most other Western European nations... Wondering if there is any further data to establish causation...

Looks like this story has made it across the pond. This gent does a nice job of presenting the findings and the implications.

Does anyone know the history of the MMR vaccine as far as when it was first widely distributed? I'm 54 and I'm pretty sure I had the MMR as a kid. Did folks who are older than 70 get it as systematically as my generation and those younger than me?

This needs to get out. We know the MMR vaccine is safe and if it has even a slightly positive affect on fighting covid we need to be giving these shots out like candy.

Just curious did you follow through and get the MMR vaccine? If so have you been exposed to people who had COVID and/or have you been infected?

MMR combo started around 71. There were stand alone for measles and mumps in the mid 60's and Rubella in the late 60's which is likely what you received. You may be in the the early deployment for measles (like me 1960 birth) that may have received inactivated measles shot which was not as effective (before 1968) and they recommend revax.

Been listening to John Campbell since about February. He does an amazing job of giving science backed updates on all things Covid related. Here's another good one about 2003 SARS potentially giving cross immunity

CardiffGiant said:

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Just curious did you follow through and get the MMR vaccine? If so have you been exposed to people who had COVID and/or have you been infected?

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Yes, I got my MMR booster back in August or so. Pretty easy at CVS actually.

I stay pretty close to home because we have an elderly parent with us that has copd and is on oxygen continuously. But, I have flown a couple of times with N95 mask and I don't think I've picked it up.

Can't prove this is why though.

XUSCR said:

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Does anyone know the history of the MMR vaccine as far as when it was first widely distributed? I'm 54 and I'm pretty sure I had the MMR as a kid. Did folks who are older than 70 get it as systematically as my generation and those younger than me?

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https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-history/developments-by-year

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Late 1970s | Recommended Vaccines
Diphtheria*
Tetanus*
Pertussis*
Polio (OPV)
Measles**
Mumps**
Rubella**
* Given in combination as DTP
** Given in combination as MMR

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From then on MMR vaccine as been on the list for recommended vaccines

XUSCR said:

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Looks like this story has made it across the pond. This gent does a nice job of presenting the findings and the implications.

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I'm not sure how anyone can watch that data and not go out and get an MMR booster. Excellent summary of the study

How hard is it to get an MMR vaccine?

Can i just go to a local Walgreens and request one?

And i'm assuming I'd get a booster. I probably had it as a child, I was born in 1989.

Cepe said:

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I was thinking this week that we hadn't heard anything more about this even though it seemed promising. I got my MMR booster at CVS back in the summer.

But, it still seems promising and I saw this article today.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/11/20/MMR-vaccine-may-protect-against-severe-illness-from-COVID-19-study-finds/7641605890132/

New studies

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Thanks for bringing this back up. Good information with low risk.

KlinkerAg11 said:

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How hard is it to get an MMR vaccine?

Can i just go to a local Walgreens and request one?

And i'm assuming I'd get a booster. I probably had it as a child, I was born in 1989.

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I just went to CVS. It was free on my insurance

Just ask for a booster shot?

KlinkerAg11 said:

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Just ask for a booster shot?

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I believe that is correct but I don't remember. Seems I selected it when I made the minute clinic appointment in the app

Went to military basic training in 1988, I know they lined us all up like cattle and gave us vaccines, but I can't remember which ones. Anyone know what they would have been shooting us up with back then?

Here's another positive Vitamin D study, this time using standard inactivated D3 that we can buy at the store. Dr John rightly asks why governments and news outlets aren't shouting Vitamin D from the rooftops.

Cepe said:

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KlinkerAg11 said:

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How hard is it to get an MMR vaccine?

Can i just go to a local Walgreens and request one?

And i'm assuming I'd get a booster. I probably had it as a child, I was born in 1989.

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I just went to CVS. It was free on my insurance

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Made an appt at local cvs. When I got there I told the nurse that my MMR titers were low and needed a booster. Covered by insurance. Very easy process.

AgsMyDude said:

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XUSCR said:

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Does anyone know the history of the MMR vaccine as far as when it was first widely distributed? I'm 54 and I'm pretty sure I had the MMR as a kid. Did folks who are older than 70 get it as systematically as my generation and those younger than me?

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https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-history/developments-by-year

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Late 1970s | Recommended Vaccines
Diphtheria*
Tetanus*
Pertussis*
Polio (OPV)
Measles**
Mumps**
Rubella**
* Given in combination as DTP
** Given in combination as MMR

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From then on MMR vaccine as been on the list for recommended vaccines

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Thanks for this. Excellent resource. Disclaimer: I REALIZE THIS IS ONLY A CORRELATION. But, would it be worthwhile to study whether there might be a relationship between the generation of people who first started receiving the vaccines separately as children and subsequent generations who would have received them in the MMR form as compared to the older generations who likely didn't receive the vaccines as kids?

At first glance it appears that the relationship between severity of COVID illness and/or death and age might be correlated to getting the M,M, R vaccines or MMR vaccine. Might the severity curve be correlated with the mumps, measles and rubella vaccine curve?

Careful, folks. Big Pharma gonna be looking to silence you for suggesting an existing vaccine may lessen the effects of 'rona.