Excellent Article on Re-Opening Schools in the Fall

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From Dr Scott Atlas, Physician and Sr Fellow at Stanford

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/500349-science-says-open-the-schools

With some quotes:

"The irony in such language is that children are safe at school already. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) states that of the first 68,998 U.S. deaths from COVID-19, only 12 have been in children under age 14 - less than 0.02 percent. Nor is coronavirus killing teenagers. At last count, the fatality total among children under 18 without an underlying condition is one; only ten of the 16,469 confirmed coronavirus deaths in New York City were among those under the age of 18. That's similar to the fatality rate for those under 20 in France, estimated at 0.001 percent, and in Spain.

The death of even one child is tragic, of course. Yet, it must be kept in mind that as many as 600 children in the United States died from seasonal influenza in 2017-18, according to CDC estimates, while the CDC's estimate for COVID-19 fatalities number just 12. A just-released JAMA Pediatrics study flatly states: "Our data indicate that children are at far greater risk of critical illness from influenza than from COVID-19." If the COVID-19 hazard sets the new standard for health safety, the country will need to close its schools each year from November until April to guard against influenza."

"But what about the adults - the teachers, guidance counsellors, bus drivers and kitchen staff? No one wants to endanger the health of educators but, fortunately, risks to adults in schools are much less than those encountered in grocery stores, pharmacies and other essential businesses. As is shown across the world, including Switzerland, Canada, the Netherlands, France, Iceland, the UK, Australia and now Ireland, children seldom if ever transmit the disease to adults, even to their parents. Several epidemiologists recently denounced the widely cited April publication that erroneously concluded that children can transmit COVID-19 just as readily as adults. Its author, German virologist Christian Drosten, previously had been featured as a COVID-19 hero, abetting the panic to close schools.

No less important, COVID-19 mainly targets the elderly and those with underlying conditions. For people under 60, COVID-19 fatality rates are so low that they are less than or equal to those associated with the seasonal flu, according to data from France, Spain and the Netherlands, as well as the CDC. Certainly, adults at high risk or who are fearful should take precautions, and by now they understand how to social-distance for their own protection. But teaching is a young person's occupation. Teachers' median age is 41; more than 80 percent are under the age of 55, the age at which most become eligible for a retirement pension."
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Don't get your hopes up.
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Not worried about our district. In city centers, you may be right
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The people that run schools are bureaucrats of the highest order. They are not going to take any bold action. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into reopening, and I don't see that happening by September.
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Spring Branch ISD in Houston sent out a survey last night asking our thoughts on alternating days or weeks, to which I'm strongly opposed. My child didn't adapt well to home learning and neither did his peers. It is in the best interest of the children to open up fully. I tried to convey that in the email, but I really don't think they'll care why the parents say.
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As of this week, I am working with a subject area design team to develop "blended learning" for the fall. Our task has been to outline the entire year and develop online activities for the first semester. The district seems pretty certain we will open up in the fall with at least some mixture of online and face-to-face instruction. The superintendent in a meeting stated that he did not envision any scenario where we will begin school as we have for over 100 years.

Austin ISD has claimed that they will only have 25% in each classroom if they have traditional instruction. Regardless of where you stand on the severity of the virus, the reality is we are going to be faced with restrictions and disruptions. No superintendent in a larger district is going to make the difficult decision to open without precautions other than deep cleaning, hand sanitizer, and hand washing guidance. Many parents are going to opt to keep their children home as well.

What you all need to do is petition our governor to make an EO to open schools 100% face-to-face with minimal restrictions. He needs to take the heat off the local districts and remove the potential for litigation if the situation goes sideways in the fall.
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Serious question: As a teacher, do you realize how far kids are falling behind here?
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BSD said:

Serious question: As a teacher, do you realize how far kids are falling behind here?
To be honest, I am not really sure the school bureaucrats care. They are more concerned with liability issues, which is sad we are to that point.
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BSD said:

Spring Branch ISD in Houston sent out a survey last night asking our thoughts on alternating days or weeks, to which I'm strongly opposed. My child didn't adapt well to home learning and neither did his peers. It is in the best interest of the children to open up fully. I tried to convey that in the email, but I really don't think they'll care why the parents say.
Spring Branch ISD parent as well...feel exactly the same and I bet our surveys are identical. In fact, all the parents I have spoken with are answering similarly.
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The Governors office and the State Education department needs to start publishing and reporting this information now. They should be advocating if not demanding, for a complete re-opening with extra sanitation efforts.

Articles in The Hill aren't going to do it.

Letting the districts figure it out is a recipe for disaster. The urge for school districts to avoid risk due to "the abundance of caution" and emotion will result in a bunch of unworkable solutions for kids and parents.

The science and data will only get more prevalent and abundant.

My kids go to private school and they made it through the remote learning ok. But it is not sustainable or reasonable. I'm sure there are many public school students who didn't fair as well. How are people supposed to go back to work if their kids are only going to school on alternating Mon/Wed/Fri or Tue/Thu or .25% classroom capacity or some other foolish and unnecessary measures.

I think some people have accepted corona virus panic as their new religion and can't see their way out, or gives them purpose in a weird way. Similar to home owner's association fanatics. But that is another rant.

BTW, both of my parents are retired teachers
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BSD said:

Serious question: As a teacher, do you realize how far kids are falling behind here?
Not sure if intended for me, but I'll chime in.

Of course I realize how much young people are falling behind academically and socially. Personally, my 4 year old daughter will start Pre-K in the fall. I want her to be able to learn from someone other than my wife or me. She is desperate for social interaction. My heart hurts for her and all of the young people who are missing out on face to face interactions and instruction. I miss my students, and I miss the energy and enthusiasm in my classroom.

In my post, I was reporting information. I am no way supporting this response to the virus. Are you encountering any educators that are championing these precautionary measures? I communicate with many educators daily, and every teacher I know wants to be in the classroom in the fall with only minimal precautions.
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It was intended for you but I meant no disrespect. I was working so was brief (which as you can see, doesn't bode well for me having to teach my son again if school doesn't open). But I saw that you're a teacher so I genuinely wanted your thoughts. I'm not going to second guess the closing of schools last spring but this is not sustainable. My kid is average and struggled at home. And now he's supposed to do it all again and be ready the next grade level in middle school in 2021/2022? I don't see it happening for him or for millions of others.

I do appreciate the idea of contacting the governor's office. I've sent the generic "contact me" email through the website and plan on writing a physical letter (the same one I'm sending out superintendent). Unfortunately, I feel...rather I know...that anything I do will fall on deaf ears.
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BSD said:

It was intended for you but I meant no disrespect. I was working so was brief (which as you can see, doesn't bode well for me having to teach my son again if school doesn't open). But I saw that you're a teacher so I genuinely wanted your thoughts. I'm not going to second guess the closing of schools last spring but this is not sustainable. My kid is average and struggled at home. And now he's supposed to do it all again and be ready the next grade level in middle school in 2021/2022? I don't see it happening for him or for millions of others.

I do appreciate the idea of contacting the governor's office. I've sent the generic "contact me" email through the website and plan on writing a physical letter (the same one I'm sending out superintendent). Unfortunately, I feel...rather I know...that anything I do will fall on deaf ears.
No disrespect taken. I am heartbroken to know how these disruptions are taking a toll on our young people. I so hope your son and all of our children return in the fall.
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It's crazy to me that it's taken this long for people to conclude this. The data have been clear on those main points for at least 6-8 weeks.
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rojo_ag said:

Austin ISD has claimed that they will only have 25% in each classroom if they have traditional instruction. Regardless of where you stand on the severity of the virus, the reality is we are going to be faced with restrictions and disruptions. No superintendent in a larger district is going to make the difficult decision to open without precautions other than deep cleaning, hand sanitizer, and hand washing guidance. Many parents are going to opt to keep their children home as well.
That would be kinda dumb given Abbott said we can open sports venues and everything else at 50% capacity for fans. You will end up with 25% in the classroom and kids going to their favorite hangouts at 50% capacity or more depending on where Abbott is with his reopening.
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ShinerDunk93 said:

The Governors office and the State Education department needs to start publishing and reporting this information now. They should be advocating if not demanding, for a complete re-opening with extra sanitation efforts.

Articles in The Hill aren't going to do it.

Letting the districts figure it out is a recipe for disaster. The urge for school districts to avoid risk due to "the abundance of caution" and emotion will result in a bunch of unworkable solutions for kids and parents.

The science and data will only get more prevalent and abundant.

My kids go to private school and they made it through the remote learning ok. But it is not sustainable or reasonable. I'm sure there are many public school students who didn't fair as well. How are people supposed to go back to work if their kids are only going to school on alternating Mon/Wed/Fri or Tue/Thu or .25% classroom capacity or some other foolish and unnecessary measures.

I think some people have accepted corona virus panic as their new religion and can't see their way out, or gives them purpose in a weird way. Similar to home owner's association fanatics. But that is another rant.

BTW, both of my parents are retired teachers


A close relative is in a leadership position at TEA. The State cannot dictate how a school district handles this so long as they meet the federally mandated number of minutes.

The State is working with districts, focusing on flexibility. In everything from funding to resources for distance learning to school calendars.


Like it or not they are Independent School Districts. These districts are controlled by the boards who are not made up of bureaucrats, but are elected.. I'll echo something the above relative says in these situations: if you don't like how your district is doing something, then run for the school board.

More districts than you think are pushing and hoping for standard or close to standard openings and creating multiple contingencies in case of a spike. The issue is in urban, esp poorer urban schools and what teachers will not be comfortable returning.
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agforlife97 said:

It's crazy to me that it's taken this long for people to conclude this. The data have been clear on those main points for at least 6-8 weeks.


Tbh china said kids don't spread this thing either.
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This will help. Fauci says it's time to think about reopening schools
Quote:

(CNN)The idea of keeping schools closed in the fall because of safety concerns for children might be "a bit of a reach," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
In a phone interview with CNN Wednesday, Fauci noted that children tend to have milder symptoms or even no symptoms when they are infected with Covid-19.
What's not yet clear is whether children get infected as frequently as adults, and whether they often pass the infection on to others. Ultimately, he said, the decision to reopen schools needs to be predicated on the level of infection in each community.
For so many schools, they just need cover.
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agforlife97 said:

It's crazy to me that it's taken this long for people to conclude this. The data have been clear on those main points for at least 6-8 weeks.


It is crazy, but it's crazier that I still don't think we anywhere close to having the discussions that we should be having.

Things are definitely trending toward re-opening schools, but most schools are still planning for some pretty drastic changes that IMO are mostly unnecessary.

It's not rational. There is still way too much focus on "protecting the kids."
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I teach high school and there is no way any of those kids are "socially distancing" right now or the remainder of the summer. Putting them in school in the fall will be no different than what is happening right now.

My wife and I are both teachers with a soon to be 1st grader. The "hybrid model" would just not be feasible for us. What are we supposed to do with our children when our school days or off days don't line up?

I think the best option outside of 100% in person teaching would be letting both parents and teachers choose in person or online before the school year starts. They must choose and lock in for a full semester. Then just pair up the "online students" with the "online teachers".
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In Texas schools will have to do what TEA says to do. If the information does not come from there, then it is not going to happen here.
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DuncanAg said:

BSD said:

Spring Branch ISD in Houston sent out a survey last night asking our thoughts on alternating days or weeks, to which I'm strongly opposed. My child didn't adapt well to home learning and neither did his peers. It is in the best interest of the children to open up fully. I tried to convey that in the email, but I really don't think they'll care why the parents say.
Spring Branch ISD parent as well...feel exactly the same and I bet our surveys are identical. In fact, all the parents I have spoken with are answering similarly.
The only reason kids being taught at home worked at all was because at least one parent was home during the pandemic. This won't work when mommy and daddy have to go back to their places of employment.
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More districts than you think are pushing and hoping for standard or close to standard openings and creating multiple contingencies in case of a spike. The issue is in urban, esp poorer urban schools and what teachers will not be comfortable returning.

And, in light of recent developments, will these teachers now be "pressured" into doing something they're not comfortable with?
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3rd Generation Ag said:

In Texas schools will have to do what TEA says to do. If the information does not come from there, then it is not going to happen here.
As long as TEA doesn't say don't open, the ISDs are free to open. Not sure TEA is going to say must go back to normal anytime soon.
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3rd Generation Ag said:

In Texas schools will have to do what TEA says to do. If the information does not come from there, then it is not going to happen here.
If true, it only illustrates what's wrong with the education system generally. The students and their parents should dictate policy, not the TEA. IMO.
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I agree, but right now the current TEA model will be really hard to actually follow. Hopefully they will take away the restrictions and allow it to be decided by local school boards.
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Here is the model for summer. Hopefully they will life most of these restrictions for fall.

https://open.texas.gov/uploads/files/organization/opentexas/TEA-Summer-Program-Operational-Considerations_5-18-2020.pdf
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I just filled out a survey about what I would be most comfortable teaching next year. My three options were remote teaching, giving out packets or some hybrid model with face to face teaching combined with distance learning. There was no option at all for normal instruction. For reference, I teach in a small district just outside Springfield, Mo in a county that's had a whopping 7 cases.
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Spring ISD has made a decision on the '20-'21 school calendar. August 17th - June 25th with some extended breaks. Seniors will be online during the extended breaks so they can still graduate in May. Still no decision on what changes will be made, but sounds like there will most likely be some sort of hybrid model.

https://communityimpact.com/houston/spring-klein/education/2020/05/28/spring-isds-revised-2020-21-instructional-calendar-includes-intersessional-breaks-runs-aug-17-june-25/

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tysker said:

3rd Generation Ag said:

In Texas schools will have to do what TEA says to do. If the information does not come from there, then it is not going to happen here.
If true, it only illustrates what's wrong with the education system generally. The students and their parents should dictate policy, not the TEA. IMO.



TEA isn't dictating when schools can or can't open. SchoolDistricts are mandating the when's and where's in their districts (based on the stipulations of the governor).

The only concern would be funding and/or enforcing attendance regs. The TEA commissioner is on record saying that the agency was waiving those requirements for 2020-21.

TEA staff have been doing a ton of work getting various options in front of districts. There is a district on South Texas for example that has been piloting an extended calendar pre-covid and they have hosted sessions with that districts leadership to discuss the pros and cons that the district had seen.

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SpringAg92 said:

Spring ISD has made a decision on the '20-'21 school calendar. August 17th - June 25th with some extended breaks. Seniors will be online during the extended breaks so they can still graduate in May. Still no decision on what changes will be made, but sounds like there will most likely be some sort of hybrid model.

https://communityimpact.com/houston/spring-klein/education/2020/05/28/spring-isds-revised-2020-21-instructional-calendar-includes-intersessional-breaks-runs-aug-17-june-25/

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So the calendar does state that the added breaks could be removed if (when) not needed.
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Good info, thank you for your response.

If the State can't mandate then they should be actively advocating for school opening based on data from the U.S. and Europe, who are back in school now. The districts will give a lot of credence to the State "experts" if they are willing to make a stand. Our economy and usual work standards are based on kids being in school all day every day mon-fri. Deviating from that will only hurt our recovery. The kids will be fine.

Also it is not widely publicized but the social distancing in Europe is mostly 1 meter, not the 2 meters used in the US and UK.

I realize the districts are in a tough position because parents, teachers and administrators don't want to be blamed for any additional cases. However we need to be grownups and understand the limited risks.
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Amazing to me that anyone would support any of this.
I don’t say this in a braggedocious way. But it’s true. I’ve been right about everything.

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-9/22/2025



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We've got to get kids back in school. The ramifications of not doing it are FAR greater than the risks of the disease. The online approach was complete rubbish.
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CT75 said:

BSD said:

Serious question: As a teacher, do you realize how far kids are falling behind here?
To be honest, I am not really sure the school bureaucrats care. They are more concerned with liability issues, which is sad we are to that point.
Liability is absolutely the driving factor. But there are serious issues with any kind of long-term distance learning. For example, what if a teacher has kids at home? How are they to teach their students and supervise their own kids? Do school districts expect one parent in every household to quit their job to stay home and supervise their kids while distance learning? Are workplaces going to have to create spaces for parents to bring their kids to work with them on the days they distance learn (and doesn't that increase their potential exposure a heck of a lot more than just having them in school?) Our school district has determined that 5% of students do not have internet at home and we are a very wealthy area. How/where do they distance learn and what about districts with much greater poverty?

Seems like we need to address the liability issue and then let schools function normally to ensure all children are getting full access to school, and not just those with stay-at-home parents, computers, and internet service.
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