WHO says: Asymptomatic coronavirus patients aren't spreading new infections

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8:45a, 6/9/20
Just ran into what I feared would happen with this.

Co-worker:"did you hear? The WHO is now saying you can't get sick unless someone is actively coughing."
Me:"no. That isn't all at what they said. Plus there is a big difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic."
Co-worker:"what the hell is presymptomatic?"
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 8:57a, 6/9/20
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Duncan Idaho said:
Just ran into what I feared would happen with this.

Co-worker:"did you hear? The WHO is now saying you can't get sick unless someone is actively coughing."
Me:"no. That isn't all at what they said. Plus there is a big difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic."
Co-worker:"what the hell is presymptomatic?"
Exactly!

I had a moderate achey lower back and hamstrings yesterday. I chalked it up to yard work and being middle aged but if it was worse today I would have scrapped clinic and gotten tested. Luckily it is much improved today not worse.

So hard to pin down non specific and super common symptoms like headache, fatigue, body aches.

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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 8:58a, 6/9/20
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you can thank the WHO for not being precise and the media for lack of summary
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8:59a, 6/9/20
Apparently they are backtracking today...

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In reply to lunchbox • 9:01a, 6/9/20
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Wtf does this even mean. Talk about zero credibility after this debacle.
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In reply to cone • 9:04a, 6/9/20
cone said:
you can thank the WHO for not being precise and the media for lack of summary

I did yesterday.

This is a bad as the "surface transmission " comment they made a couple of weeks ago.

I mean media experts are a thing for a ****ing reason. Dont let your scientists speak to the public
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 9:13a, 6/9/20
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media experts?

you mean the ones that gave the protests a fair catch

ok
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In reply to HotardAg07 • 9:21a, 6/9/20
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Right it's like the definition that mild is clinic and essentially means doesn't require hospitalization but the individual thinks mild is a walk in the park.
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9:35a, 6/9/20
Here's an article with more info about their walkback...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/09/who-scrambles-to-clarify-comments-on-asymptomatic-coronavirus-spread-much-is-still-unknown.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar
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9:40a, 6/9/20
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When is everyone going to learn to not listen to the WHO. They've been a trainwreck of bad information.
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 9:40a, 6/9/20
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Duncan Idaho said:
cone said:
you can thank the WHO for not being precise and the media for lack of summary

I did yesterday.

This is a bad as the "surface transmission " comment they made a couple of weeks ago.

I mean media experts are a thing for a ****ing reason. Dont let your scientists speak to the public
What was their surface transmission comment?

Am I wrong, or did the CDC come out and say that contact from a surface is a less likely mode of transmission?
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9:42a, 6/9/20
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For the docs on here: I have read that viral load is highest in the days right before symptoms appear. Therefore the threat of spreading the virus is high while the person is days away from feeling sick. Is this true?
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In reply to lunchbox • 9:44a, 6/9/20
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lunchbox said:
Apparently they are backtracking today...



It was in the text of the report for anyone that read it...

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Some people infected with the COVID-19 virus do not ever develop any symptoms, although they can shed virus which may then be transmitted to others. One recent systematic review found that the proportion of asymptomatic cases ranged from 6% to 41%, with a pooled estimate of 16% (12% to 20%), although most studies included in this review have important limitations of poor reporting of symptoms, or did not properly define which symptoms they were investigating.
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9:44a, 6/9/20
For all of you people that ask "why do they make us take an English class and a public speaking class when we are engineering/science majors...here's your ****ing answer.

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"Some estimates of around 40% of transmission may be due to asymptomatic, but those are from models, so I didn't include that in my answer yesterday, but wanted to make sure that I covered that here," Kerkhove said.


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In reply to CDub06 • 9:46a, 6/9/20
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CDub06 said:
When is everyone going to learn to not listen to the WHO. They've been a trainwreck of bad information.


Well the whole world used to look to the CDC for the best information.

Unfortunately they are also a total disaster on this.
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In reply to cone • 9:46a, 6/9/20
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cone said:
media experts?

you mean the ones that gave the protests a fair catch

ok

That's not fair to them. They were very clear that the fair catch was only for the protests they agreed with. NOT the protests that pushed back against their over broad and ill considered clamp down on all human activity.
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In reply to BowSowy • 9:47a, 6/9/20
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Duncan Idaho said:
cone said:
you can thank the WHO for not being precise and the media for lack of summary

I did yesterday.

This is a bad as the "surface transmission " comment they made a couple of weeks ago.

I mean media experts are a thing for a ****ing reason. Dont let your scientists speak to the public
What was their surface transmission comment?

Am I wrong, or did the CDC come out and say that contact from a surface is a less likely mode of transmission?

They said it was LESS likely to be spread via surface transmission (mainly due to how effective it spreads through respiration).

The media ran with it as "it doesnt transmit via surfaces."

Basically they said you are less likely to get run over by a car a parking lot than you are on the freeway. And people took it as "it is ok to let your kids play unattended in parking lots."
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In reply to AgsMyDude • 9:50a, 6/9/20
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well clearly there's a spectrum of mild
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In reply to cone • 9:53a, 6/9/20
That is his point.
The floomers and most of the general population tend not to understand how wide that spectrum is. They hear mild and think "mild fever" or "mild cough" not "severely sick but not so sick that you need to be admitted to the hospital right the **** now."
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9:54a, 6/9/20
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this happening again and again reminds me of this:

"Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backwardreversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know."
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In reply to cone • 9:57a, 6/9/20
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cone said:
well clearly there's a spectrum of mild


And I didn't say there wasn't. My point was when the first idea was that 90% would be mild people took that as oh I'll have a little cough for 2 days. But you could be on home oxygen and not able to do anything for 2 weeks and still be "mild"
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 9:59a, 6/9/20
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well, based on what i'm hearing from people having to communicate positive test results to the infected, for the most part the symptoms are tending towards that mild flu-like end, especially if you're under 45

aches, pains, fever, you know you're sick and it's gone in four days

people seems to be more horrified of the news they caught the bug than they are of the symptoms they have already progressed through

pure anecdote so take it FWIW
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In reply to 75AG • 10:12a, 6/9/20
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75AG said:
For the docs on here: I have read that viral load is highest in the days right before symptoms appear. Therefore the threat of spreading the virus is high while the person is days away from feeling sick. Is this true?
Yes that is what has been reported in the past and why this statement from the WHO is confusing.

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10:32a, 6/9/20
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[Keep the political comments over on the Politics Forum. It's not wanted here. - Staff]
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In reply to cone • 10:50a, 6/9/20
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cone said:
well, based on what i'm hearing from people having to communicate positive test results to the infected, for the most part the symptoms are tending towards that mild flu-like end, especially if you're under 45

aches, pains, fever, you know you're sick and it's gone in four days

people seems to be more horrified of the news they caught the bug than they are of the symptoms they have already progressed through

pure anecdote so take it FWIW
I was talking to a couple last night who were passing through town.

They said that both of them and all their kids had covid-19 a couple of months ago. The male said that it wasn't so bad, though. He said that he was only sick for a month.

That left me wondering what he considered bad.
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In reply to eric76 • 1:49p, 6/9/20
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My 32 YO friend had symptoms - low-grade fever, strange tightness in chest, dry cough, and loss of taste for a full month. Her husband had it for a shorter period of time but symptoms were worse. Neither received testing at the time since their fever never topped 104 and in March in Minnesota, that did not make them eligible. They've since had antibody tests to prove they did in fact, have COVID-19.

Yeah, I don't want this stuff.
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In reply to normaleagle05 • 2:18p, 6/9/20
normaleagle05 said:
cone said:
media experts?

you mean the ones that gave the protests a fair catch

ok

That's not fair to them. They were very clear that the fair catch was only for the protests they agreed with. NOT the protests that pushed back against their over broad and ill considered clamp down on all human activity.

When I said media experts, I meant experts in dealing with the media... professional PR resources at the organization...not some jackass on fox/cnn spouting bull*****
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2:26p, 6/9/20
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After their terrible misinformation re human to human transmission, I have little faith in the WHO.
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9:14a, 6/11/20
Listen to Fauci, Forget W.H.O.
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In reply to peachbasket • 11:13a, 6/11/20
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peachbasket said:
Listen to Fauci, Forget W.H.O.
I'd prefer to listen to neither...
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In reply to DripAG08 • 11:22a, 6/11/20
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Just curious, who do you listen to?
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In reply to 75AG • 2:44p, 6/11/20
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75AG said:
Just curious, who do you listen to?
ZDogg MD on youtube is actually an excellent moderate source of good COVID info- and he has some other funny medical humor as well.
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In reply to 75AG • 2:47p, 6/11/20
75AG said:
Just curious, who do you listen to?

I am sure who ever he listens to, they are a very stable genius with tremendously large hands.
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 10:56p, 6/11/20
Duncan Idaho said:
For all of you people that ask "why do they make us take an English class and a public speaking class when we are engineering/science majors...here's your ****ing answer.

Quote:

"Some estimates of around 40% of transmission may be due to asymptomatic, but those are from models, so I didn't include that in my answer yesterday, but wanted to make sure that I covered that here," Kerkhove said.




A couple of college courses can't make anyone a good writer if that person has contempt for learning such things. That person would not enjoy working for me, though.
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