Face Shields Over Masks

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There has been several threads on this board about masks, and the debates have been quite heated. Many concerns/criticisms about wearing face coverings/masks were made.

However, data continues to support that a face covering/mask is an effective strategy in reducing transmission/viral spread, and we need to continue to implement new or novel strategies as we go back to our normal lives to reduce the potential of new outbreaks.

This group has put together an interesting case for adoption of face shields over face covering/masks to continue to reduce transmission/infection.
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As with any prevention measure, this goes back to our understanding of the way that SARS-CoV-2 is spread. Most of the evidence supports that SARS-CoV-2 is primarily spread in respiratory droplets, with contact and transmission through small aerosol particles secondary. (If SARS-CoV-2 was an "airborne" pathogen in the same way as, for example, measles, you'd expect R0 and household attack rates to be much higher.)

There is I think it's fair to say emerging evidence that face shields reduce the exposure to and emission of respiratory droplets considerably. If you can get comfortable that face shields provide adequate protection of the respiratory tract, they offer you the following benefits over a face mask:

  • They cover your eyes in addition to your mouth and nose; they also cover your face so stop the prospect of a respiratory droplet landing on your face which is then (for want of a better word) smeared into contact with a mucous membrane.
  • They make it much harder for you to touch your face (a bit like a dog collar for humans!).
  • They offer the potential for decontamination and reuse (although disposable is probably ideal).
  • They have less chance of prompting the occupational hazards of long-term wearing face masks (painful / damaged ears and nose bridges).
  • With a bit of thought, you could find a way to drink a cuppa and eat a sandwich with them on (possibly).
  • It's easier to communicate through them because people can see your whole face for expressions and lip reading.
  • Supply chains are likely to be more robust for face shields than masks (and there are examples of where production lines have been repurposed for face shield production).
Most international guidelines recommend face coverings or medical/surgical masks to protect the respiratory tract from exposure to SARS-CoV-2 without direct reference to face shields. Although interesting to see the IDSA guidelines for easing COVID-19 distancing restrictions make a very brief reference to face shields in the same breath as masks). I hope that over time the evidence base for face shields will improve and they will be adopted widely because of the practical benefits over face coverings and masks.

https://reflectionsipc.com/2020/06/12/the-case-for-face-shields-in-preventing-the-spread-of-covid-19/

I think a lot of points made here are sound (although not perfect and don't agree with all), they do answer a lot of the previous issues/concerns with face masks, and should at least be discussed as an alternative solution.
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Apparently TEA is planning to distribute both face shields AND masks to schools.
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Thanks for this. Face shields are my plan if ftf teaching resumes in the fall. I hope more positive info about their efficacy comes out.
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I just ordered a shield from Amazon. Should be here by Monday. I want to see which I prefer. I like the disposable masks and I wash them and use them over. They are cooler than the cloth ones.

But even if it looks strange I want to see if the shield works over glasses.
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I am definitely more on board with face shields. Helps with claustrophobia and is much cooler. Looks silly but is way better than dealing with my mouth being covered by fabric. I got some on Amazon...the only problem is that the styrofoam (?) Is uncomfortable and hot on my forehead, and wearing the strap around my head tends to give me a headache (which is also why I can't wear headbands. If these problems could be solved this would be a great alternative for people like me who absolutely cannot stand masks. The other problem is things like haircuts would be a problem since it goes around your hair.

A local Chickfila bought a bunch for their employees....it is REALLY nice that you can see all of their smiles as they say "My pleasure!"
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I and many others won't voluntarily wear a mask under any circumstances and now they want a face shield too?


Ya... people just won't do this anymore especially as this is winding down.
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I thought it was face shield INSTEAD of a mask? Because there was the point of being able to see each other's faces...
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That's my understanding, too.
amercer
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"Winding down"
3rd Generation Ag
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It is not winding down. First. We are getting better at treating it.

And I have never understood why people are refusing to wear masks, forcing me to be a near prisoner in my apartment.

But when I go back in the classroom I would rather have a shield so the kids can see face not just hear voice.
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Seriously dude, you should take a break from all this. Enjoy your freedom.
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cc_ag92 said:

Apparently TEA is planning to distribute both face shields AND masks to schools.
Negative, they are recommending them for districts to use. TEA is highly unlikely to provide anything or than recommendations. It will be up to districts to find creative budgetary ways to comply with said recommendations.
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I can't imagine any success with face shield adoption

should focus on masks and not mix the message
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Why not?? I would much more be willing to comply with a face shield than a mask. Masks are just really, truly miserable for me. It gives another option for claustrophobics, at least.
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AggieSarah01 said:

I thought it was face shield INSTEAD of a mask? Because there was the point of being able to see each other's faces...

I now realize I made a mistake with the thread title. Yes, should be shield INSTEAD of mask.

Very clearly the poster you responded to only read the thread title before they posted.....what a great contributor to the discussion....
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I actually will be happy if they just provide hand sanitizer. My schools quit doing that with the 2011 budget cuts. One more thing like tissues that teachers have to buy.
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We don't wear masks. Sorry I don't give 2 craps about COVID anymore.
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cost, mostly. small thing. more portable.

face shield can should be an option, but public health messaging is best when it's simple, accessible, uniform, consistent

if you start pushing for face shield adoption on top of surgical masks, it will just confuse an already fraught issue

personally I'll take a mask everyday but I know some people loathe them
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how is it losing?

we're seeing a real first wave now in urban Texas
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Old Buffalo said:

amercer said:

"Winding down"


Sorry your virus lost.
This guy.

There is just winning, or losing.

The virus will kill everyone. Or it was fake.

Binary thought dominates discussions, because the people who think this way shout and use insulting pet names for whoever has a different opinion.

We should at least ask the person who said "winding down" (Joe Exotic) what he meant. Deaths? Hospitalizations? Cases? And Where? The World? USA? Texas? Their city?

All stats in Italy suggest its winding down. In the USA, cases and deaths have trended down overall - but keep watching. In TExas, new cases per day on the rise but fatalities holding steady for a few weeks.

The person who quoted "winding down" could have asked what that meant. I know usernames are recognized and posting patterns lead to certain responses, like mine to Old BUffalo above. So to Old Buffalo - what does "your virus lost" mean to you?
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I think it's floomer for "f you"
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Joe Exotic said:

I and many others won't voluntarily wear a mask under any circumstances and now they want a face shield too?


Ya... people just won't do this anymore especially as this is winding down.

I get that you don't want to wear a mask, but why do you care so much about other people wearing them?
Old Buffalo
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It means exactly what he said. There can't be the claim of exponential growth only to be resistant to the downward decline we've seen (adjusted for testing increases) for weeks on end.
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Old Buffalo said:

It means exactly what he said. There can't be the claim of exponential growth only to be resistant to the downward decline we've seen (adjusted for testing increases) for weeks on end.


Agree with your statement that an exponential growth claim right now wouldn't make sense, there is still some degree of social distancing and a percentage of people wearing masks, and limited gathering. Exponential growth I think is only possible when it's a new virus with high degree of communicability and people are mixing without modification.

I also think it's hard to gather much from testing - rate and percent positive and total positive all have some caveats. Hospitalizations and deaths seem real and something worth tracking. Deaths have trended down, lately hospitalizations in Texas are on the rise and should be watched but we are far from any capacities.

Better comment than "the virus lost", but I know on social media the goal is to win with a quick gotcha line.
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It is not over till all of us, including those of us over 70 can with relative safety resume normal life. Being shut up in my apartment month after month is not normal life. If everyone wearing a mask for three weeks would slay this dragon, then I dont understand why we don't do it.

Most of you say you don't care since it is only bad for old people. Glad to know that after a life time of serving others, suddenly our lives don't matter.
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The comment was in response to a mocking comment of quoting a particular line to make the other party look like a fool.

It's not over. It wasn't expected to be over any time soon, we've realized that for the majority of people this doesn't come with the doom and gloom we've been fed from the media.

There is the quote "there's only three lies in this world: lies, damn lies, and statistics"
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3rd Generation Ag said:

It is not over till all of us, including those of us over 70 can with relative safety resume normal life. Being shut up in my apartment month after month is not normal life. If everyone wearing a mask for three weeks would slay this dragon, then I dont understand why we don't do it.

Most of you say you don't care since it is only bad for old people. Glad to know that after a life time of serving others, suddenly our lives don't matter.


We "locked down" for months, but wearing masks for three weeks will make the virus go away?
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A large percentage of people over the age of 70 dying from COVID were already in assisted care facilities. So not sure what "normal life" for them you're referring to. I know my 86 year old grandpa still goes out to the store every single day and never wears a mask.

This thing is not going away, even if every single person followed every guideline by the book. We've reached the point where people have to do what they think is best for them, whether their choice is right or not.
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Again, the point is not to wear a face shield on top of a mask, but an alternative to the mask.

The messaging would be pretty simple and actually easier than masks -- here is something that covers both your mouth and your eyes and prevents droplets from contacting YOU and prevents YOU from getting the virus. So far the messaging about wearing a mask to protect others has fallen flat because people are selfish. When people have a direct benefit, they will be more willing to adopt. Also no need to worry about how to take it on/off or training.

Cost could be an issue...but there could be several solutions. Mass production and bulk ordering to reduce costs, having them be purchased and used at schools, colleges, and offices where costs would be on organizations/businesses rather than individuals. We also might come up with better ways to disinfect and make them reusable, where as masks other than cloth are more difficult to deal with.
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hey best of luck to you

I know I'm not lugging around a face shield to the grocery store
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Old Buffalo said:

amercer said:

"Winding down"


Sorry your virus lost.


You, and the extremes opposite you are what's wrong with this country. Everything is about things having to be 100% one way or the other and "winning and losing"

You're an idiot if you think there is really anyone CHEERING for the virus.

It's this mob mentality on both sides that has made me only come to TexAgs about 1/10th as much as I did before all this. It permeates every board pretty much. Not much difference anymore between this place and Facebook/Nextdoor
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Player To Be Named Later said:

Old Buffalo said:

amercer said:

"Winding down"


Sorry your virus lost.


You, and the extremes opposite you are what's wrong with this country. Everything is about things having to be 100% one way or the other and "winning and losing"

You're an idiot if you think there is really anyone CHEERING for the virus.

It's this mob mentality on both sides that has made me only come to TexAgs about 1/10th as much as I did before all this. It permeates every board pretty much. Not much difference anymore between this place and Facebook/Nextdoor

THIS.
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EdmondsWay said:

cc_ag92 said:

Apparently TEA is planning to distribute both face shields AND masks to schools.
Negative, they are recommending them for districts to use. TEA is highly unlikely to provide anything or than recommendations. It will be up to districts to find creative budgetary ways to comply with said recommendations.
I'm just sharing information I've read in articles like this:

https://abc13.com/ppe-distribution-in-schools-texas-covdi-19-safety-coronavirus-outbreak-covid-19-pandemic/6240520/

Editing to add info directly from TEA's website...
This is from a PDF that I don't know how to link here:
They've ordered 50,000,000 disposable masks, 10,000,000 gloves. 40,000 thermometers, and 500,000 gallons of hand sanitizer.

They are tentatively ordering 12,500,000 reusable masks, and a TBD number of face shields and desk dividers.
So, apparently they aren't guaranteeing the face shields, but they are strongly considering them. You can find the document at the following link: https://tea.texas.gov/texas-schools/health-safety-discipline/covid/coronavirus-covid-19-support-and-guidance
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ElephantRider said:

Joe Exotic said:

I and many others won't voluntarily wear a mask under any circumstances and now they want a face shield too?


Ya... people just won't do this anymore especially as this is winding down.

I get that you don't want to wear a mask, but why do you care so much about other people wearing them?


If we don't stay diligent these people will try to push it as compulsory.
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Player To Be Named Later said:

Old Buffalo said:

amercer said:

"Winding down"


Sorry your virus lost.


You, and the extremes opposite you are what's wrong with this country. Everything is about things having to be 100% one way or the other and "winning and losing"

You're an idiot if you think there is really anyone CHEERING for the virus.

It's this mob mentality on both sides that has made me only come to TexAgs about 1/10th as much as I did before all this. It permeates every board pretty much. Not much difference anymore between this place and Facebook/Nextdoor


Thank you! Most spot on post that I've read lately.
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